Haltech GB?
10-14-08, 06:02 PM
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Haltech GB?
Alright guys. I will at some point be buying a haltech this winter. Anybody else want in if I were to organize a group buy? I have no idea what kind of discounts would be available but just gauging interest before wasting suppliers time. There was a pretty successful GB go on a few years ago so why not try it again?
Thanks
Jordan
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Jordan
10-17-08, 09:51 AM
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I ran the GB a year and a half ago, and it was more trouble than it was worth, not to mention the pain in the *** the Haltech is, I know very few people who haven't had issues with any of the ECU's, you might want to research the Haltech a little further, as well as other brands like Microtech, and Wolf.
10-17-08, 09:16 PM
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I think haltech is one of the best options, usually the problems come from the user end, ( not setting up correctly etc ).
Microtech is ..........
and well wolf is great but more expensive with less support.
so ocmes down to Haltech being a great option and a great price.
E8 is for the win !
or E6x non internal map
Microtech is ..........
and well wolf is great but more expensive with less support.
so ocmes down to Haltech being a great option and a great price.
E8 is for the win !
or E6x non internal map
10-17-08, 10:38 PM
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I don't know Azad, I have had issues, Nik did, you did all of which were due to the pick up issues, and appears to be a rotary only issue. Ian seems to be having problem after problem with his E8, then again he is rather picky, and wants everything to work correctly with no dicking around, but when you pay that much you shouldn't have issues, specially from a experienced Stand-alone user such as Ian.
I never said the Haltech was ****, but I would seriously consider a PFC for a FD or S5 TII, just for the ease of install, and apparent lack of issues. The Haltech issues are well documented, but I have yet to see one install go without issue.
Just some food for thought.
I never said the Haltech was ****, but I would seriously consider a PFC for a FD or S5 TII, just for the ease of install, and apparent lack of issues. The Haltech issues are well documented, but I have yet to see one install go without issue.
Just some food for thought.
10-18-08, 09:23 AM
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As someone who uses the PowerFC (FD Race car) and the Haltech (lots of cars) on a regular basis, I prefer the Haltech. The PFC's two main advantages are plug and play, and very high ignition timing accuracy.
But the FC Datalogit thats required to really tune just doesn't have the same adjustability as the Haltech and others. Nik and I where discussing this the other day. The PFC probably has a lot of great features , but we can't use them because the FC datalogit doesn't have them enabled.
We are switching the race car over to Haltech, for what it's worth.
Also, changing from Wolf EMS to Haltech was the best thing I could have done with my car.
If the Haltech is a pain the ***, then it is usually 'user error'. And, I'll stick by that statement.
The pickup issues any of us had, where because people where using E6K trigger settings with the E6X. That's user error. As soon as we figured that out, there where no problems with any of the 5 guys running the 6X here in Ottawa.
My exposure to the E8 is limited to Ian's car. So, I'm not going to comment on it.
Now, I do have to agree that the HalwinX software is pretty bad in some areas. That is where Ian has had his problems with secondary staging, and Nik was fighting his closed loop O2 problems.
But the FC Datalogit thats required to really tune just doesn't have the same adjustability as the Haltech and others. Nik and I where discussing this the other day. The PFC probably has a lot of great features , but we can't use them because the FC datalogit doesn't have them enabled.
We are switching the race car over to Haltech, for what it's worth.
Also, changing from Wolf EMS to Haltech was the best thing I could have done with my car.
If the Haltech is a pain the ***, then it is usually 'user error'. And, I'll stick by that statement.
The pickup issues any of us had, where because people where using E6K trigger settings with the E6X. That's user error. As soon as we figured that out, there where no problems with any of the 5 guys running the 6X here in Ottawa.
My exposure to the E8 is limited to Ian's car. So, I'm not going to comment on it.
Now, I do have to agree that the HalwinX software is pretty bad in some areas. That is where Ian has had his problems with secondary staging, and Nik was fighting his closed loop O2 problems.
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10-18-08, 10:01 AM
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Some of the issues I had were weird.
-Such as staging map. This boiled down to online "live" changes never took. You had to cycle the key on and off for it to take. (This was found by accident and took some time to find out!) And it took me some time to understand staging so this is user error taking time to learn. The stock staging map should be close. Just use the base map and make small adjustments.
-Then it was the way I was entering in rpm ranges etc. (This when I first installed the system. I would just click on the cell and type the required setting and click on the next cell. Being a moron I guess I was supposed to hit enter after each data entry. So it appeared the changes were made untill I connected on the ecu again and found out they never saved.
-Randam haltech crashes can be attributed to com port to usb running windows vista.
-random firing of my a/c circuit could be someting do do with my a/c logicon.
I am now running the new 1.89 update and cannot use autotune. No big deal really since my car is tuned now. This will be fixed on a future firmware update.
The closed loop issues when I updated the firmware went away once I updated the firmware twice. (Weird)
Basically at this time I have no problems other then software crashes which is probable due to vista/comport etc.
Overall I am happy with the E8.
-Such as staging map. This boiled down to online "live" changes never took. You had to cycle the key on and off for it to take. (This was found by accident and took some time to find out!) And it took me some time to understand staging so this is user error taking time to learn. The stock staging map should be close. Just use the base map and make small adjustments.
-Then it was the way I was entering in rpm ranges etc. (This when I first installed the system. I would just click on the cell and type the required setting and click on the next cell. Being a moron I guess I was supposed to hit enter after each data entry. So it appeared the changes were made untill I connected on the ecu again and found out they never saved.
-Randam haltech crashes can be attributed to com port to usb running windows vista.
-random firing of my a/c circuit could be someting do do with my a/c logicon.
I am now running the new 1.89 update and cannot use autotune. No big deal really since my car is tuned now. This will be fixed on a future firmware update.
The closed loop issues when I updated the firmware went away once I updated the firmware twice. (Weird)
Basically at this time I have no problems other then software crashes which is probable due to vista/comport etc.
Overall I am happy with the E8.
10-18-08, 12:46 PM
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Have you checked out the new V500? FAR better ECU
As for Wolf's technical support, they are awesome. They have a guy on call 24/7, call them anytime of the day and they can help you out.
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10-18-08, 08:37 PM
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I disagree, it's a well known issue with the rotary, some don't have to do anything, some do... I had to move the magnets in the CAS. It's an easy fix, but a fix none the less, and not a user issue, they also sell the resistor to remedy this issue.
10-18-08, 10:03 PM
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There's also countless posts of people crying wah wah wah because they where getting trigger issues, by blindly using the Hitman 6K setup, and didn't even bother to turn down the filters or play with the motronic mode. The 6X got a bad rep from that alone.
So, moving some magnets in the CAS was a pain the ***? Dude, that's like 2 mins with a feeler gauge. Where is the eye rolling emoticon when you need it.
No offense, but thats hardly a strong argument against purchasing the Haltech, especially the E8 or E11V2. It's not the EMS's fault if the cars hardware isn't always up to snuff. Certain upgrades/adjustments are always going to be necessary. Our cars and it's parts are old.
With my Wolf I had to grind down the CAS from 24 teeth to 4, and solder in a resitor. The V4 Wolf was at least able to use the stock CAS, but not the FC trailing coil. You had to either go aftermarket or FD ignitor...those things are more of a pain the ***.
I'd wager that more people can present positive characteristics about the Haltech than negative ones.
The new Wolf looks good, I have to say. But, if I where Jordan, I would still get a Haltech just for the simple reason that there is a large user base here in Ottawa, so he'll have lots of help. And, the Haltech is easy as hell to tune, one of the reasons we want it for the race car.
Either way, I'm back to stock Mazda ECU.
Carry on.
So, moving some magnets in the CAS was a pain the ***? Dude, that's like 2 mins with a feeler gauge. Where is the eye rolling emoticon when you need it.
No offense, but thats hardly a strong argument against purchasing the Haltech, especially the E8 or E11V2. It's not the EMS's fault if the cars hardware isn't always up to snuff. Certain upgrades/adjustments are always going to be necessary. Our cars and it's parts are old.
With my Wolf I had to grind down the CAS from 24 teeth to 4, and solder in a resitor. The V4 Wolf was at least able to use the stock CAS, but not the FC trailing coil. You had to either go aftermarket or FD ignitor...those things are more of a pain the ***.
I'd wager that more people can present positive characteristics about the Haltech than negative ones.
The new Wolf looks good, I have to say. But, if I where Jordan, I would still get a Haltech just for the simple reason that there is a large user base here in Ottawa, so he'll have lots of help. And, the Haltech is easy as hell to tune, one of the reasons we want it for the race car.
Either way, I'm back to stock Mazda ECU.
Carry on.
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10-19-08, 09:21 AM
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There's also countless posts of people crying wah wah wah because they where getting trigger issues, by blindly using the Hitman 6K setup, and didn't even bother to turn down the filters or play with the motronic mode. The 6X got a bad rep from that alone.
So, moving some magnets in the CAS was a pain the ***? Dude, that's like 2 mins with a feeler gauge. Where is the eye rolling emoticon when you need it.
No offense, but thats hardly a strong argument against purchasing the Haltech, especially the E8 or E11V2. It's not the EMS's fault if the cars hardware isn't always up to snuff. Certain upgrades/adjustments are always going to be necessary. Our cars and it's parts are old.
With my Wolf I had to grind down the CAS from 24 teeth to 4, and solder in a resitor. The V4 Wolf was at least able to use the stock CAS, but not the FC trailing coil. You had to either go aftermarket or FD ignitor...those things are more of a pain the ***.
I'd wager that more people can present positive characteristics about the Haltech than negative ones.
The new Wolf looks good, I have to say. But, if I where Jordan, I would still get a Haltech just for the simple reason that there is a large user base here in Ottawa, so he'll have lots of help. And, the Haltech is easy as hell to tune, one of the reasons we want it for the race car.
Either way, I'm back to stock Mazda ECU.
Carry on.
So, moving some magnets in the CAS was a pain the ***? Dude, that's like 2 mins with a feeler gauge. Where is the eye rolling emoticon when you need it.
No offense, but thats hardly a strong argument against purchasing the Haltech, especially the E8 or E11V2. It's not the EMS's fault if the cars hardware isn't always up to snuff. Certain upgrades/adjustments are always going to be necessary. Our cars and it's parts are old.
With my Wolf I had to grind down the CAS from 24 teeth to 4, and solder in a resitor. The V4 Wolf was at least able to use the stock CAS, but not the FC trailing coil. You had to either go aftermarket or FD ignitor...those things are more of a pain the ***.
I'd wager that more people can present positive characteristics about the Haltech than negative ones.
The new Wolf looks good, I have to say. But, if I where Jordan, I would still get a Haltech just for the simple reason that there is a large user base here in Ottawa, so he'll have lots of help. And, the Haltech is easy as hell to tune, one of the reasons we want it for the race car.
Either way, I'm back to stock Mazda ECU.
Carry on.
just kidding ya.
but regarding the haltech stuff. I still think its a great product.
just internal map version you have to use halwin and the 1.26 version is a little glitchy or atleast when i tried it.
and my problems with the haltech were just the cas magnets also, wich werent a biggie.
