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Old Feb 11, 2009 | 10:46 PM
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Engine management options in the GTA

OK for thoese that live in toronto and the GTA and have mild to wild modifications on there FCs , FBs or FDs

Please specifiy what generation you have eg. Fc or FD or FB

Please specifiy what engine management you all are running

Also where and who does your tuning

I am looking into making a decision in the spring and i want to get something i know i can get support for here in the GTA.

I am loooking an any option that comes with new wiring harness as my stock TII harness is too old to depend on.

thanks for the help

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Old Feb 12, 2009 | 12:11 AM
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FD
PFC
will most likely be tuned by TheWird (forum member)
theres also a great tuner in pickering beside mazdees, Jo at Dyno Werks
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Old Feb 12, 2009 | 03:29 AM
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You should get a new wiring harness or a good used one, I'm sure some members here have one. PFC is one of the better ECU options since its simple to tune and pretty much plug and play, also comes with a nice commander. The PFC is plug and play on the FD and with this FC adapter harness from Banzai Racing makes it is also plug and play...

http://www.banzai-racing.com/product...ss_adapter.htm
http://www.banzai-racing.com/product...ss_adapter.htm

Haltech is also another good option but you need to use their harness and I believe their own sensors and such as well (could be wrong about this). Maybe a forum user who uses a Haltech can give you more info on that route.

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Old Feb 12, 2009 | 07:11 AM
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Im running a microtech in my Turbo FB... I do all my own tuning
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Old Feb 12, 2009 | 10:15 AM
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I run PFC's mostly. I use them in fd's and fc's with the Banzai adapter kit. They work well in both cases and I tune them.

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Old Feb 12, 2009 | 10:38 AM
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Microtech
Haltech
AEM
Wolf 3D
Apexi Power FC

We've used all the above in various cars, the AEM and the Wolf have very nice software. The new Wolf V500 ECU just came out not too long ago, we are going to be installing it in a single turbo FD shortly. It seems like a great ECU.

Ditching your stock harness is probably the best thing you'll ever do! So many fragile wires and grounds, its not worth the headache of tracing wiring problems after the fact.

We break in rebuilt engines and tune them on an engine dyno, but also have access to a chassis dyno right here in Kitchener.
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Old Feb 12, 2009 | 11:05 AM
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Personally I prefer anything that's going to be using a new harness. Anything that's plug and play like the PFC or the PnP AEM will be relying on the old wiring, unless you pony up for a new harness - in which case the cost vs. benefit makes going with a standalone that already has its own harness worthwhile.

I ran a Haltech for a few years. Software is easy to understand, great first time box IMO.

I'm moving to an Electromotive TECgt now for various reasons, but a hlatech should serve you well.

Not a big fan of microtech for a couple reasons, the largest being that you can't save or load maps on it. So if the map is lost after being in storage fora while with a dead battery or something, you're back to square one. Plus any progress you make in the tune can only be undone by writing down what you've changed and then working backwards. It was nice to be able to have a list of maps with dates for the purposes of drivability tuning, since if one change wasn't good - you could just reload the previous map and try again.

Picky maybe, but thats my .02

There's lots of places that can get you going on whatever. Just be prepared to pay for it thats all..........or learn yourself. But that way isn't so cheap either!!!
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Old Feb 12, 2009 | 12:46 PM
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Just a few thoughts on some features you might want to consider:
  • Hardware:
  • Plug-&-play as much as possible. As already stated, the less wiring you have to do, the better
  • OEM or other, standard sensors.
  • Optional input/outputs eg O2 sensor; fan & methanol injection control
  • Software:
  • PC interface with standard cables
  • Intuitive, easy to use
  • Data logging including optional inputs
  • Auto/Self-tuning capability (closed loop operation)

  • We've worked with these on Mazdas:
    Greddy
    Haltech
    Megasquirt
    Apexi Power FC

    Plus
    Edelbrock
    Diablo
    TwEECer
    R4 Controller
    Tuner Pro
    (Basicly, haven't run into a system that we couldn't figure out.)

    Here is the RX7 Engine Management forum:
    https://www.rx7club.com/engine-management-forum-37/
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    Old Feb 12, 2009 | 02:15 PM
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    I've used megasquirt with great results however a lot of them have issues right from the builder. If your capable of building your own then they're a good option.

    Haltech's work well too, but they're a bit slow to tune. The software is outdated.

    Definitely a plus anytime you can ditch the old harness. They can be quite the pita. Lots of people think there's is fine since it works great, but the minute you start moving it around ie: to pull the engine for a rebuild. All hell can break loose.
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    Old Feb 12, 2009 | 05:01 PM
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    Car:
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    RB Turbo Back
    3" TID
    no name cone filter

    Old system:
    Paul stokes FCD
    Apexi SAFC
    680cc injectors in secondaries

    New system for 2009:
    Rtek version 1.7 for S5T2
    http://www.pocketlogger.com/index.ph...age=1&ecu=S5T2
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    Old Feb 12, 2009 | 07:04 PM
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    Jo (Dragonwerks) and I have spent some considerable amount of time on my haltech E8.

    I went the route of full ems because I wanted something that could control anything and methanol and have closed loop boost control and wideband correction. Also the fact that I didn't have to worry about an old harness.

    Car 1988 10th AE
    Haltech Fuel Management.
    408rwhp on dyno jet at 15psi.
    Mustang dyno (Dragonwerks) 400rwhp at 18psi. Still have to play with ignition and aux injection.

    Can-saf sells haltechs and I believe does installations.
    Mazdee's does installations and Dragonwerks is just beside him.

    Ian
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    Old Feb 12, 2009 | 07:17 PM
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    Jo from Dragonwerks is very helpful in the tuning process and helping to find gremlins on the car that arise during tuning.

    thewird
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    Old Feb 12, 2009 | 08:43 PM
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    yes money is not the issue, i am leaning toward the haltech..... getting anew harness is na must to trouble shoot this rotton mess of aa harness is just plain stupid.

    I am very hands on with my cars i love to do as much as i can and i eventually want to learn how to tune myself, but i needed help at the beginning.


    Anyone has any experiences with the E8 dos and don'ts, can i use my OEm sensors who installs them and where u get them here in the gta

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    Old Feb 12, 2009 | 08:47 PM
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    Originally Posted by IAN
    Jo (Dragonwerks) and I have spent some considerable amount of time on my haltech E8.

    I went the route of full ems because I wanted something that could control anything and methanol and have closed loop boost control and wideband correction. Also the fact that I didn't have to worry about an old harness.

    Car 1988 10th AE
    Haltech Fuel Management.
    408rwhp on dyno jet at 15psi.
    Mustang dyno (Dragonwerks) 400rwhp at 18psi. Still have to play with ignition and aux injection.

    Can-saf sells haltechs and I believe does installations.
    Mazdee's does installations and Dragonwerks is just beside him.

    Ian
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