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Old May 14, 2005 | 07:21 PM
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took the beat of a machine to get her tested today. Need to do a pull to submit to the car classification comittee for CASC-ON Solo 1 car classification. They unfairly classifiy cars so you have the option of submitting a dyno sheet instead of incuring all those useless performance index points for engine and drive train. Rule 6.1, lines l1 to l5.


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Battery / Charging / Wiring
2 gauge Home Depot Grounds
Optima Red Top
Rotary Innovation Dual Alt Pulley

Body

Brakes
Complete ABS delete
Goodridge Stainless Steel Lines
Mazda 929 Master Cylinder
Williams Performance Friction S2 pads for autox/street

Cooling
Redline Water Wetter

Drivetrain
CapClutch.com High Performance Pressure Plate +30% clamp
Delrin Rear Diff mounts, made by Cheers!
Delrin Subframe bushings, made by Cheers!
Energy Suspension Pinion Snubber
Exedy Clutch Disc
FD flywheel
JDM Mazda Engine Mounts (mazdaspeedmotorsports.com)
Mazdaspeed Motorsports Competition Diff Mount
Racing Beat Engine Torque Brace

ECU
Apexi SAFC
Paul Stokes DIY FCD

Electronics
Apexi AVCR
Tech Edge DIY WBO2 Ver 2.0

Engine
All original

Exhaust
Racing Beat Full Turbo Back Exhaust (current version)

Fuel
680 cc injectors in secondary
Walboro 255lph pump

Gauges
Greddy 60 mm mech

Ignition
2X Crane Hi-6 (one to each lx92)
2X Crane LX92 coils for each leading spark plug
Cranecams 8mm universal spark plug wires

Intake
K&N drop in Filter

Interior
1FastT2 stainless gauge panel
Sled Driver Polished Aluminum Pedals

Suspension
Cheers! Made in Canada Under Arm Brace
Cheers! made in Canada rear camber adjustment link
Corksport rear strut tower bar
Energy Suspension Polyurathane Kit
Ground Control Camber Caster Plates
ISC Racing Bilstein Coilovers 400 front 250 Rear
Racing Beat Rear DTSS eliminators
Racing Beat Strut Tower Brace

Tires / Wheels
Stock S5 TII wheels with Toyo RA1 225/50/16

Turbo
Apexi Twin Chamber BOV

Weight Reduction
Air Pump, AWS, Cold Start and ACV removal
I can't find my cigarette lighter anymore...
No Stereo, No Speakers
Removed Sound Deadening from back 1/2 of car
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Old May 14, 2005 | 07:29 PM
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oh ya it was 9.2 psi the car was set at.
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Old May 14, 2005 | 07:53 PM
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what is this Cheers! company you speak of?

anyhow on topic, how does that impact you in terms of points? do you come out on top or do you end up being no better off than if you were to add the performance points.
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Old May 14, 2005 | 07:53 PM
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Congrat's cheers.

That is great hp numbers for the age and orginal 200K+ motor. Watching you drive you will be tearing up those tracks.

See you at the track.

Or better yet get that practice in since I will be at ya at next years solo racing!
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Old May 14, 2005 | 10:25 PM
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what is this Cheers! company you speak of?

anyhow on topic, how does that impact you in terms of points? do you come out on top or do you end up being no better off than if you were to add the performance points.
well according to the CASC car classification comittee, if I were to class my car strictly on performance index points I would have 430 horsepower, and I would be in SGT1 or in modified class against the ex formula renault cars or the new ferrari enzo. So this dyno plot classifies me in a much more favorable class against a stock FD, NSX, BMW M roadster, a slightly modified 350Z track package, lotus elise, lotus esprit turbo V8.
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Old May 14, 2005 | 10:38 PM
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well according to the CASC car classification comittee, if I were to class my car strictly on performance index points I would have 430 horsepower, and I would be in SGT1 or in modified class against the ex formula renault cars or the new ferrari enzo. So this dyno plot classifies me in a much more favorable class against a stock FD, NSX, BMW M roadster, a slightly modified 350Z track package, lotus elise, lotus esprit turbo V8.
Should have dynoed at a lower boost setting and then raised the boost while racing
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Old May 15, 2005 | 08:05 AM
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Should have dynoed at a lower boost setting and then raised the boost while racing
Perhaps, I'm also the one who believes in the mantra, "There are two types of racers, the losers and the cheaters." But only to a certain extent.

The turbo already creeps up a bit when the car is motion when the intercooler is cold. There is no point trying to push the limits of the rules that far anyhow, I would also like to err on the side of caution as this is the first season i'm competing.
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Old May 15, 2005 | 02:11 PM
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So, 195 at the wheels? Wicked! My internal balance shifts slightly toward booooooooost.
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Old May 15, 2005 | 02:44 PM
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Perhaps, I'm also the one who believes in the mantra, "There are two types of racers, the losers and the cheaters." But only to a certain extent.
I understand what you mean, but when cheating the rules would give you a more fair advantage with the competition. Since just cause of your mods your supposedly supposed to race against cars with well over twice your HP and even after dyno, i'm not sure how much HP those cars your in class with now have, but i'm pretty sure you'll still have the short end of the stick

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Old May 15, 2005 | 06:25 PM
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Originally Posted by RXciting
I understand what you mean, but when cheating the rules would give you a more fair advantage with the competition. Since just cause of your mods your supposedly supposed to race against cars with well over twice your HP and even after dyno, i'm not sure how much HP those cars your in class with now have, but i'm pretty sure you'll still have the short end of the stick

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It's not all HP. We run on various tracks. Such as calabogie and Mosport DDT and Toronto Motorsports Park. Those tracks favor handling and light weight. The mosport big track and shannonville fabi and pro require HP. HP isn't everything. I chased down a Lt1 camaro with full cage making 450+ hp on the solo 1 school as well as a 60,000 dollar mustang SVT with mega dollar wheels.

The most important thing is a balanced car.
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Old May 15, 2005 | 08:28 PM
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The most important thing is a balanced car.
Also very true. But is still sucked going up against cars that obviously outclass you.
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Old May 15, 2005 | 08:53 PM
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thats what makes it fun when you beat them... no reason to cheat
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Old May 15, 2005 | 10:29 PM
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Also very true. But is still sucked going up against cars that obviously outclass you.

according to car and driver i'm outclassed. But the car that is fastest in my class isn't an NSX but rather a 2200 lbs honda civic caged that puts out 187 fwhp. He can out run a bmw M roadster.
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Old May 16, 2005 | 10:54 AM
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Nice.....
Keep us informed when your track times are. If I have a free day this summer, I'll come out to watch.
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Old May 16, 2005 | 12:08 PM
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1. Interesting stuff. Will this be your first year doing Solo 1?
2. Sounds like you've been doing some racing lately (or at least last year), care to elaborate?
3. Could you comment on your pinion snubber and your opinion of the difference with it?
4. I find your dyno results interesting given your mods. My S4 with what some people term a "Junk-Spec" engine with a custom 2.5" single & muffler for main cat made 178rwhp (stock boost). That's 18 less than yours. I guess the millage is probably taking at least 15hp out of yours. We don't often get to see dynos of well enjoyed engines. I'm pretty sure that with the current TID and putting in the straight pipe I could be close where you are on stock boost.

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Old May 17, 2005 | 12:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Snrub
1. Interesting stuff. Will this be your first year doing Solo 1?
2. Sounds like you've been doing some racing lately (or at least last year), care to elaborate?
3. Could you comment on your pinion snubber and your opinion of the difference with it?
4. I find your dyno results interesting given your mods. My S4 with what some people term a "Junk-Spec" engine with a custom 2.5" single & muffler for main cat made 178rwhp (stock boost). That's 18 less than yours. I guess the millage is probably taking at least 15hp out of yours. We don't often get to see dynos of well enjoyed engines. I'm pretty sure that with the current TID and putting in the straight pipe I could be close where you are on stock boost.
1.) Yes, so i'm fighting for the rookie of the year
2.) I used to do Queen's University FSAE, and autox a bit
3.) pinion snubber... it's useless right now because I made a pair of delrin bushings for the rear diff mounts, it pretty much allows zero movement of the diff. It sucks don't ever so that! I'm on the look out for a TII rear diff casing so i can swap in the torsen I have and install the mazdatrix 30% stiff ones instead of the delrin units.
4.) well stock boost for a S4 computer is in the 6s right? I was outputting 9.2 psi from teh turbo. I could get 10 to 15 more HP if i leaned it to around 11.7 afr instead of 10.6s when the turbo was fully spooled. Or I could fix my DIY fcd and have it boost past 10. I have stock mazda intake with K&N drop in. Boost does not creep it actually dies down as you go up past 5500 rpms. THat is why torque is going down, the turbo isn't outputting 9.2 psi anymore but rather more like 7.X psi.
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Old May 17, 2005 | 01:07 PM
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Cheers I just had to laugh when I read your post. You are trying to understand the great mystery of Solo 1 car classification and point system. I have been around a bit longer than you and I remember when Preparation Points were first introduced into Solo 1. Way back before you were born there were 4 classes of cars (A,B,C,D) / 4 prep classes (Stock, Improved, Prepared, Modified). These classes were based on car weight, displacement, allowed modifications and safety requirements. The rules were straight forward and certain cars did very well. Based on my recollection of the rules from back then your car would be an A/ Prepared car and expected to race against heavily modified but street legal cars and you wouldn't be allowed to run on slicks.

In the late 80's the people running Solo 1 allowed it to become very political and tried to adjust the rules to allow better designed O.E. cars to race against more heavily modified older cars. This is when they started to allocate different "weights" for different mods. They also increased the number of classes. It is my belief that this was to allow all of the favoured sons a chance to win a class. Most of the guys in Solo 1 and 2 spend hours picking over the arcane effects and impacts of various modifications and always assume that any change from stock is to the maximum improvement effect possible to any car in the class and they allocate prep point based on that. This has no relationship to reality and really only serves to improve bench racing.

Its funny when you look at how complex the Solo situation is versus Race. In Touring GT almost everything is free and only balanced on tire size, weight, forced induction and displacement. They assume that all modifications are allowed. It makes things simple and highly competitive with the top 10 cars in Toring Class within 2 seconds of each other in lap time.

Anyways, you have to look at the number of mods done to your car and not what the real impact they had but the total possible effect; i.e. changing pads rotors and lines. You and I know that the real effect of the type of change you made is negligable but in the Solo 1 world they think it could mean that you have carbon/ carbon brakes in there. They don't think that there is a $$$$/ return ratio in place. If you want to spend a million $$$$ to win a $5 trophy go for it. You haven't so just go out and have fun. This is why I stoped Solo 1 Events after 1 year and went back to karting for real great competition at a reasonable cost.

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Old May 17, 2005 | 01:07 PM
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3. So you don't like the bushings? Did you ever experience the snubber without the bushings? I don't understand, are you running a S6 diff or something?
4. I wasn't mentioning my stuff to brag (althought I did have to get that J-Spec jab in there), I was comparing out of interest. I ran stock boost (we'll say ~6psi) and had an OEM filter. All TIIs with stock turbos lose boost towards redline.
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Old May 17, 2005 | 01:40 PM
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3. So you don't like the bushings? Did you ever experience the snubber without the bushings? I don't understand, are you running a S6 diff or something?
4. I wasn't mentioning my stuff to brag (althought I did have to get that J-Spec jab in there), I was comparing out of interest. I ran stock boost (we'll say ~6psi) and had an OEM filter. All TIIs with stock turbos lose boost towards redline.
Snrub - I don't like the bushings at all. It transmits gear whine into the car now. It sucks big time. There is zero performance improvement in it in reality. It transmits all the vibration and freq of the diff into the car and it now makes the tranny mounts take all the shock loading. The engine has the RB torque brace and the rear diff has the delrin mounts. So the only thing that moves now is the tranny.

I never tried the pinion snubber without the delrin bushings yet.

As for the diff, yes I would ilke to run the FD torsen in a FC TII diff case for my car. They share the same ring size so it's a direct swap.

4.) HP isn't everything, especially for a rookie. So u have 178 WRHP with 6 psi? wow. That is quite a bit.


23racer - ya the rules are messed. They tried to make it more fair by allowing you to submit a dyno plot instead of taking PIP points towards engine and drivetrain modifications which I have done. Also they allow you to weigh the car and get classified based on real weight. (I have stripped out more weight than what they list in their rule book for a 1990 Rx7 Turbo II) so i'm up on the game there. The AC, the sound deadening, the ABS and various other bits really make a difference as well as the stereo, and it's associated parts. So i have full interior and you are allowed to deoption you car. So it got deoption. Areas to further lose weight are to get rid of my rear wiper and motor assembly. Get rid of head light motors and leave the headligths up all the time.

It would be nice if they would make the rules simple. But all I do is sit at my office figuring out grey area engineering for aerospace, so doing grey area rule book reading between the lines engineering for my rx7 is 2nd nature to me.

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Old May 18, 2005 | 02:56 PM
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Cheers!, how much do these events cost to enter? Are spectators welcome to just drop by?

I went on the ontario web-sites but couldn't find anything.
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Old May 18, 2005 | 05:35 PM
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Cheers!, how much do these events cost to enter? Are spectators welcome to just drop by?

I went on the ontario web-sites but couldn't find anything.
The CASC Ontario Solo1 webpage is http://www.soloontario.com/
the forum is http://racing.kos.net/soloforums/

I have attached the registration form. It's 120 dollars an event. At the event you 1 20 min practice session in the morning more if less people who up. Then competition beings you get 5 laps, 1 warm up, 3 timed hot laps, and 1 cool down lap. No passing is allowed at all.

You get between 4 to 5 outings on the track so in one day you will get about 12 to 20 hot laps timed and various lunch time lapping (if time permits). Lunch is provided in the 120 i think.

This is really my frist year competing so I don't know all the details yet. Spectators are welcome, the tracks this year will be Toronto Motorsport Park just outside of London, Shannonville outside of kingston. Mosport Drive Development track, as well as Mosport big track. Calobogie has been cancled due to problems with the track.

that is about all I can say. Feel free to ask more questions. Also i'm looking for a pit crew. IF you know how to fix rx7s and change tires please PM me. IAN has been nominated to be the crew cheif currently with him being the mechanic, the water boy, and general lackie...
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Old May 18, 2005 | 06:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Cheers!
The CASC Ontario Solo1 webpage is http://www.soloontario.com/
the forum is http://racing.kos.net/soloforums/

I have attached the registration form. It's 120 dollars an event. At the event you 1 20 min practice session in the morning more if less people who up. Then competition beings you get 5 laps, 1 warm up, 3 timed hot laps, and 1 cool down lap. No passing is allowed at all.

You get between 4 to 5 outings on the track so in one day you will get about 12 to 20 hot laps timed and various lunch time lapping (if time permits). Lunch is provided in the 120 i think.

This is really my frist year competing so I don't know all the details yet. Spectators are welcome, the tracks this year will be Toronto Motorsport Park just outside of London, Shannonville outside of kingston. Mosport Drive Development track, as well as Mosport big track. Calobogie has been cancled due to problems with the track.

that is about all I can say. Feel free to ask more questions. Also i'm looking for a pit crew. IF you know how to fix rx7s and change tires please PM me. IAN has been nominated to be the crew cheif currently with him being the mechanic, the water boy, and general lackie...
LOL. Yup and all I did was lug tires for the guy

I plan on being there as much as possible on you events. Helping etc. Next year I will be joining solo1 with you.
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Old May 18, 2005 | 07:09 PM
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Also i'm looking for a pit crew. IF you know how to fix rx7s and change tires please PM me. IAN has been nominated to be the crew cheif currently with him being the mechanic, the water boy, and general lackie...

Jason, I'd be happy to fill the general lackie role where time permits. Call me a week b4 your events and I'll try and make it out whenever possible. I'll pm my number again in case you didn't keep it. I'd love to see what is involved since I too see some solo1 in my future.
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Old May 30, 2005 | 02:50 PM
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Update.

Clutch is dead, brakes are dead. I did poorly on saturday on the Pro track but did very well for the Fabi track. Both first time on that configuration.

Results are not up yet so I will post up the times when they are on teh soloontario.com website.

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Old May 30, 2005 | 02:51 PM
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