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Old 03-28-14, 03:43 PM
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Originally Posted by clokker
I too am hoping for a productive Saturday, so good luck to us both.
good luck clokker! it feels good to be able to have a bit of free time to get something done on the seven. to quote an old danish proverb, "Sail while the breeze blows, wind and tide wait for no man"
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Just goes to show, no matter where you are in the world dealing with anything to do with vehicle registration, licensing or insurance is just a nightmare.

Best of luck on the first start man! Make sure to do it outside, it's going to smoke like a bitch for a while burning off assembly lube and Vaseline from the build. You'll choke yourself out real quick if you try and do it inside.

I've got my fingers crossed

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i just spent an hour writing an update and something went skewiff when i went to preview it and it all dissapeared. =( ill update tomorrow.
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Originally Posted by blame
Just goes to show, no matter where you are in the world dealing with anything to do with vehicle registration, licensing or insurance is just a nightmare.

Best of luck on the first start man! Make sure to do it outside, it's going to smoke like a bitch for a while burning off assembly lube and Vaseline from the build. You'll choke yourself out real quick if you try and do it inside.

I've got my fingers crossed

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cheers sean! i have already gone through the nerve racking trauma that is the first start after the rebuild. your right she smoked like crazy! it was just so cold that i thought i would wait for better weather so that i could be outside for more than a half hour without losing one of my appendages to frostbite

yesterday i wacked on the exhaust for the umteenth time. it would go so much quicker with air tools but there is some kinda of overpressure release valve thingy on our larger compressor which is on the fritz and hisses REALLY loudly for ages and kills the chilled ambience of the garage. i have had isssues with the left exhaust tip hanging lower than the one on the right. i had used thick cable ties to fix it last time but this time i used a load of thin electrical cable. if itll hold remains to be seen but if it doesnt ill be resorting to plan b... a shitload more cable.

symmetry is underrated..

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the blinding light in front of the seven is in fact NOT a portal to another dimension, its our painting booth in which resides a corvette that richards painting at the moment. dunno what model it is (stingray?) looks pretty cool though..

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satisfied with the exhaust for the time being i turned my attention to the engine bay. i have been putting off changing the cooling hose to the upper manifold for ages but i had bought some new hose last friday so i whipped off the UIM and changed that.

concerning the activation of the auxilliary ports, it turns out that i still dont understand where i should connect the hose from the pipe on my rb header but after writing on another thread i was advised to run the hoses directly to the actuators. i had some hose so i just bought a t-connector and did this..

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one misconception i have had the whole time since i started reading about the analogue activation of the auxiliary ports is that the pressure from the exhaust pushes them open.. i had read that they didnt need much pressure to open them and one should be able to open them just by blowing through the tube. i blew into it and nothing happened. i tried carefully with some compressed air and the hose popped off. they moved easily with my finger so i didnt get it. fortunately joel suggested that i try sucking on the hose (because thats just the kind of dirty minded person he is) and presto! they moved! im assuming that this is what they mean by the backpressure opening them. if it doesnt work ill just rig up an electrical pump and be done.

i spent some of the day helping joel so i didnt get a whole lot done but im going to get down there now and get cracking.

and from now on ill be copying and pasting what i write before i preview
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That's pretty weird. I know absolutely nothing about the operation of the n/a engines, the only thing I've ever done with one was I ripped it out to put in a tii engine. It seems to me like if the ports are vacuum operated and not positive pressure operated, then they should be getting connected to an intake manifold vacuum source and not an exhaust pressure source? I could be very wrong, and maybe there's some mechanism there that translates exhaust back pressure into vacuum for the ports.

Also if it is exhaust back pressure that is supposed to be activating the ports, wouldn't the rb header make them malfunction (because less backpressure)?

It's early and cold here in stupid Canada. I am probably just talking out my ***.

As you were.

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Originally Posted by meerkat8701
the blinding light in front of the seven is in fact NOT a portal to another dimension, its our painting booth in which resides a corvette that richards painting at the moment. dunno what model it is (stingray?) looks pretty cool though..
Shoulda pushed that "dimensional portal" concept a bit further, it's much more interesting than an old Vette.

I've never been an American iron fan and thus, was only peripherally aware of Corvettes and their many incarnations. About two years ago a whole pile of Vettes showed up in the junkyard and it was the first time I'd ever seen under the skin of this iconic car.

What an unmitigated pile of ****.

Peel off the sexy fiberglass and a Corvette has the look and build quality of a Soviet era tractor. Not even a cool Russian tractor, more like the really ugly tractor cousin from one of the weird "stan" neighbors.

Such a disappointment.

BTW, my RB exhaust hangs lopsided and judging by the forum, so does everyone elses.
It seems to be a design characteristic- not necessarily a flaw, rather, an intentional decision.
I've made several efforts to correct this with the use of various hangers but even if it looks straight for a while, it inevitably sags left after a while.

I now have adopted an attitude much like the parent whose honor student vivisects kittens ("He's a good boy with some unusual interests...") and defend the fit by thinking that RB has excellent build quality, so it will hang crooked forever.
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Originally Posted by blame
That's pretty weird. I know absolutely nothing about the operation of the n/a engines, the only thing I've ever done with one was I ripped it out to put in a tii engine. It seems to me like if the ports are vacuum operated and not positive pressure operated, then they should be getting connected to an intake manifold vacuum source and not an exhaust pressure source? I could be very wrong, and maybe there's some mechanism there that translates exhaust back pressure into vacuum for the ports.

Also if it is exhaust back pressure that is supposed to be activating the ports, wouldn't the rb header make them malfunction (because less backpressure)?

It's early and cold here in stupid Canada. I am probably just talking out my ***.

As you were.

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dont worry sean you are not. this is a really confusing subject. i think i have been trying to understand this system for a year and still dont, even though im getting closer and closer. the problem lies in that i have a wierd version that was only released in i think australia and europe. and i think there are differences even between them!! i am now pretty sure after doing a bit more searching on the net that i have done it wrong anyway. i have been writing on another thread concerning the 6pi auxiliary port actuation and a forum member put this up..

Over here we have a cylindrical valve that rotates with positive pressure:


You've got a butterfly that opens without vacuum.
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i dont get it. how do i open something "without vacuum"? im starting to think that removing the emissions stuff was more trouble than it was worth, though in my case
i did it based on the assumtion that my 6pi was the same as the us versions. i really hope i dont have to pull off the UIM again and will be able to connect something else to the hose i have run to the actuators..




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Shoulda pushed that "dimensional portal" concept a bit further, it's much more interesting than an old Vette.

I've never been an American iron fan and thus, was only peripherally aware of Corvettes and their many incarnations. About two years ago a whole pile of Vettes showed up in the junkyard and it was the first time I'd ever seen under the skin of this iconic car.

What an unmitigated pile of ****.

Peel off the sexy fiberglass and a Corvette has the look and build quality of a Soviet era tractor. Not even a cool Russian tractor, more like the really ugly tractor cousin from one of the weird "stan" neighbors.

Such a disappointment.

BTW, my RB exhaust hangs lopsided and judging by the forum, so does everyone elses.
It seems to be a design characteristic- not necessarily a flaw, rather, an intentional decision.
I've made several efforts to correct this with the use of various hangers but even if it looks straight for a while, it inevitably sags left after a while.

I now have adopted an attitude much like the parent whose honor student vivisects kittens ("He's a good boy with some unusual interests...") and defend the fit by thinking that RB has excellent build quality, so it will hang crooked forever.
I was really under the impression that all americans patriotically root for all things muscle car'y and v8'ish.. you have restored my faith in humanity. your description had me in fits mate hahaha so eloquently put
between you and me (looks around) i usually call most american cars "yankee poo". not because their from america but because people here buy them to complete their rockabilly look and dont realise they always need alot of work and then just run them into the ground. i enjoy laughing evilly at them as i pass them on the motorway with their hood up and stem/smoke coming out of it.. its not often that you get to feel like you have it better than other people when you have a car with no wheels and drive a nissan micra so i take the opportunities as they present themselves

as for the lopsided exhaust, its one thing that really bothers me. knowing you, you have probably tried alot more stuff than me but im going to keep trying. you have definately given me the best reason to placate myself when i give up

today was much the same as yesterday, it just didnt feel like i got much done although i was doing stuff the whole time..
i put the rest of the engine together and cleaned the right hand side. (if you remember i had cleaned the left hand side a while ago) i also got some super duper back to black type stuff from the fella next door that i put on all the black details to take away the greyish, dried out look. i cant be having my engine bay lookin all ashy..



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its not perfect but it definately looks alot better than when i first lifted the hood.
i was going to bleed the brakes and i asked roger to help. we didnt get very far because he pointed out immediately that my little makeshift brake line holder-upper solution was no good. he helped me by cutting the old brackets off of the old coilovers and flattening them out and drilling a hole.. i sprayed them black and popped em on..

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much better..
then we bled the brakes. it was worth rebuilding the calipers. the pedal feels much better than it felt before. that made it worth breathing in all that crap that made it through the mask when i was cleaning them up, although as you can see from the picture i have done a good job of messing up the paint. ill touch them up later..

i didnt make it to starting the engine but im glad that i did everything properly.. i hope i can manage to do it after work one day this week..
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brekthrough! this is probably one of the best things that has happened since i started this project. as i mentioned before i had asked on another thread about onformation regarding the 6pi system. i got something alot better! i dont know how i have missed this website but i was directed to foxed.ca and more specifically the training manual. it has all the info i needed on my particular model and some! have a flick through. trust me that **** is gold.

turns out that it wasnt only the butterflies that were different on my particular 13b. on the usdm 6pi s4 the port sleeves are closed until they are opened by positive pressure at 3800 (or is it 4500?) rpm. but on mine the butterflies are held closed by vacuum pressure and opened when the engine reaches the correct rpm.

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this explains why i didnt notice any loss of power in the high revs because they were open the whole time. i was losing torque in the lower rpms.
looks like i just have to put them back the way they were. im just going to check that i havent done anything to affect the vacuum source via the emissions delete..

*edit*
i apologise to anyone who has tried to explain this to my dumb *** before. im a slow learner. thanks for trying at least!
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i think i get it now. the thingumadoodie on the side of the CAS with two vacuum hoses coming from it is what creates the vacuum right?
i always did wonder why there were vacuum hoses going to that thing. after all the cafuffle im beginning to think that the system to activate the 6pi has worked the whole time. the only good that has come out of me obsessing over it is that i have learnt how it works. (i think)
again in my defence i have been trying to fix my car with the WRONG manual the whole time haha. nothing like a challenge eh?
oh well, looks like i got my wish. its off with the UIM again. and i think im catching a cold.. oh joy..
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Awesome update buddy, it always feels good to finally figure something out. I will definitely have a poke through that link and see if I can find something useful. The .ca indicates it's Canadian, so obviously everything there is going to be as awesome as I am.

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Awesome update buddy, it always feels good to finally figure something out. I will definitely have a poke through that link and see if I can find something useful. The .ca indicates it's Canadian, so obviously everything there is going to be as awesome as I am.

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nah dude its not THAT awesome. but it'll be the closest thing so far!
yeah i have to admit gaining this knowledge was a gratifying moment... kinda like when will gave carlton his chicktionary in the fresh prince..

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First David Hasselhoff and now Wil Smith.
You ice barbarians certainly celebrate in strange ways.

You know, now that I think of it a bit, I have never seen a single episode of any series either of those two was in.
In an odd way, that makes you more of an American than I.
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First David Hasselhoff and now Wil Smith.
You ice barbarians certainly celebrate in strange ways.

You know, now that I think of it a bit, I have never seen a single episode of any series either of those two was in.
In an odd way, that makes you more of an American than I.
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the fresh prince was funny as hell when i was a kid. they always showed it on sundays in england. nowadays its..well.. a bit meh..
i suppose with my jamaican roots i could get away with at least claiming "America's back yard".
everybody here always thinks im from america anyway. and of course because im tall and dark skinned that i play basketball. i enjoy the looks on their faces when i tell em that i skateboard haha

my cold is in full swing. hurrah for european bacillus! i should be used to these things by now but they get me every time. bastards.. despite their attempts to reduce me to a quivering mess curled up in a pool of mucus, i popped down to the garage for a couple hours. i put on the wheels and removed the UIM. i would have got further but it seems like the right hand secondary injector connector decided that it wanted to look like its neighbour and let all the fiddly bits that hold the metal clip in place shatter into a thousand pieces of dried out 80's plastic. im pretty certain that ill be able to fix it though. watch this space.

i got my nice new "U.S size" registration plates in the post today. ill put up some pictures later so that you guys can get a sneek peek of how it will look once all the sleeper cells hidden in the multitude of ikea's strategically placed all over america get their "go code" and the invasion begins. dont panic though, it will be non-violent, most people wont notice that it has happened at all. they will mostly find themselves baffled by the appearance of affordable ecological food and exceedingly creamy dairy products on the shelves of your supermarkets, the instant banning of starbucks, your finance minister will have a ponytail, and of course subsidised healthcare.

the frequency of my trips to the garage will depend completely on how i feel during this week. the chicken soup is bubbling as i type and im going to squeeze some fresh oranges. lets just hope there arent anymore freak hailstorms like the one i got caught in today. it just doesnt help..
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I too had a few injector pigtails break one me. Not a difficult problem at all. I found my replacements on a Cadillac and jus went ahead and did all four at once.
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I bet there are Caddies stuck in the permafrost all over Sweden.
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I too had a few injector pigtails break one me. Not a difficult problem at all. I found my replacements on a Cadillac and jus went ahead and did all four at once.
thanks jesseluck! if my little bodge job fails i shall be popping down the scrapyard to see what i can find

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I bet there are Caddies stuck in the permafrost all over Sweden.
not in the permafrost but thouands of garages gathering dust and in a constant state of "nearly finished". much like my rx7

i got a half day today, which is a good thing because this cold has got me firmly in its grip. i feel like poo. i was already feeling wobbly in the head when i got to the garage but i had driven all the way there so i had to do something..
i parked up and saw this. thought you might like it clokker me old chum

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its sort of an apology for the corvette

i had my plates with me and of course the first thing i did was to check how they would look. after ten minutes the rear plate was on..

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im well pleased. then i thought i would 'just' remove the front plate. this, unfortunately for the intake which was waiting for me to get started on it, brought to my attention the sorry state of the black trim on the front bumper. i taped it up and gave it a spraying. i have a feeling its a bit too shiny which may force me to have to do the trim at the sides but we'll see how it turns out. whilst down there i started looking at the way too 80's grille in front of the oil cooler. it has long irritated me and i have seen another fella paint the vertical bits black. i thought i would go one better and actually remove them alltogether with the help of a carpet knife. the plastic was really easy to cut which simplified the fiddly corners and stuff. of course this weakened the structural integrity of said grille somewhat but i have an idea which i shall be trying next time i get down there to strengthen it up. i was really feeling horrible by the time i got this far so i threw in the towel for today. i took the day off tomorrow so i hope i will get better quicker. this will also mean me resisting the temptation to go to the garage and staying in bed. anyway, my feverish delirium has me blathering. sorry. heres a pic..

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Before the Z appeared, a 122 wagon was my choice for our project.
The perfect Colorado sleeper car.

I'm concerned by your continuous state of illness.
Perhaps a visit to a country that has health care would be in order.
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Before the Z appeared, a 122 wagon was my choice for our project.
The perfect Colorado sleeper car.

I'm concerned by your continuous state of illness.
Perhaps a visit to a country that has health care would be in order.
at the rate you power through your project's, it wouldnt be too unrealistic to say you can have it as the next one! though i dont know how easy they are to get a hold of in america.

im more inclined to go to one that has euthanasia. im in the lovely 'painful cough'
stage at the mo. switzerland offers such a service so im told...
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at the rate you power through your project's, it wouldnt be too unrealistic to say you can have it as the next one! though i dont know how easy they are to get a hold of in america.
I dunno 'bout Murka in general, but here in Colorado you can hardly throw a cat without hitting an old Volvo or Subaru.
(I don't think "throw a cat" has a metric equivalent, but use 2 meters as a guesstimate.
American cats are probably fatter and less feral than your Euro models and may not fly as well.)

Although we had talked about a Volvo, it was never seriously on the radar after practical considerations hit the table.
We are simply not equipped for the heavy duty fabrication required by such a project.

If you haven't already, please check out Project Binky.
This is how it should be done.
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Originally Posted by clokker
I dunno 'bout Murka in general, but here in Colorado you can hardly throw a cat without hitting an old Volvo or Subaru.
(I don't think "throw a cat" has a metric equivalent, but use 2 meters as a guesstimate.
American cats are probably fatter and less feral than your Euro models and may not fly as well.)

Although we had talked about a Volvo, it was never seriously on the radar after practical considerations hit the table.
We are simply not equipped for the heavy duty fabrication required by such a project.

If you haven't already, please check out Project Binky.
This is how it should be done.
Clokker this volvo is sorta like the mini, except it's v8 and has a huge turbo Google Översätt

Sorry about derailing your thread
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Sorry about derailing your thread
It's hard to derail a car that has no wheels, so fear not.
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I wish I could write threads like this one (luv it.) I Better get back to work.

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Originally Posted by clokker
I dunno 'bout Murka in general, but here in Colorado you can hardly throw a cat without hitting an old Volvo or Subaru.
(I don't think "throw a cat" has a metric equivalent, but use 2 meters as a guesstimate.
American cats are probably fatter and less feral than your Euro models and may not fly as well.)

Although we had talked about a Volvo, it was never seriously on the radar after practical considerations hit the table.
We are simply not equipped for the heavy duty fabrication required by such a project.

If you haven't already, please check out Project Binky.
This is how it should be done.
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Clokker this volvo is sorta like the mini, except it's v8 and has a huge turbo Google Översätt

Sorry about derailing your thread
"murka" you tickle me mate haha

both threads were sick guys! it was especially nice that project binky was done in video format it made it alot faster to get through. i am of course very fond of dry english humour and tea so that was a plus. i think the gtr wheels suit the amazon more than they suited mine! the bmw turbo swap never gets old for me either it certainly seems to be very popular here in sweden and understandably so. availability of parts and boltons is so much better here when it comes to beemer bits.

no worries tomat!
i really dont mind you guys putting stuff like this up its always good with a bit of inspiration and perspective to keep on pushing with ones own project.
the more the merrier!

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I wish I could write threads like this one (luv it.) I Better get back to work.
thanks HRnico! im actually surprised that people read it! compared to the threads posted by clokker and tomat it pales in comparison but it keeps me out of trouble and thats the main thing

i know i said that i wouldnt go to the garage yesterday and stay in bed but that didnt go very well. around 8.30 in the evening after an extremely boring day filled with plenty of rest i had ants in me pants and just HAD to get down there.
i removed the hose setup to the exhaust and put them back the way they were and popped the UIM back on. im most certainly getting quicker at it but i try to be careful and meticulous so that i dont forget something (like the tps). it can still take me a couple hours. i was coughing my poor little lungs out so i scurried off home for some paracetamol and my bed.

the whole idea was that today i would get up early today and have a crack at starting her up. (i have been saying that i would be doing this tomorrow for two weeks now ). oh yeah. i forgot to mention that the paint i used on the front trim was waaay too shiny. looked totally wrong. richard suggested that i get my hands on some RAL9005 which was a really nice matt black. he had used it on the black details on the ktm which has been sharing the sevens incarceration this winter and it looked much better.
anyway, i went to the place that richard said he had bought it from last and of course in proper keeping with my luck they had stopped selling it. i had a nice little wild goose chase for about an hour or so and after 4 more parts stores i got the last can they had.
when i got to the garage i went to connect the last bits of the engine and instantly realised that my little solution to fix the connectors to the secondary injectors was NOT going to work. i held them in place with zip ties for the time being and filled her up with oil. i dont know if i mentioned it before but richard works with drilling and sawing concrete and this means that sometimes thers a feckload of concret blocks in the garage (and also explains why the seven is so dusty) before moving the seven outside i had to move at least a half tonne of it outside before i could get her out. i wouldnt have minded usually but im still ill so it wasnt so much fun.
heart all-a-flutter, i connected the battery and took a deep breath before turning the ignition. aaaaaand nothing happened. she was completely dead. i had charged the battery the night before and had brand new terminals. the fellas next door recommended that i sand and tighten them up properly anyway and it worked.

right. power. good. i thought. took a deep breath and turned the igition again. the start motor just clicked. considering the battery is new and freshly charged and that i had gone through the ground points during the winter i ruled them out. the fellas next door suggested that i check the start motor. i pulled it out and we checked it. it rotated very slowly. i then remembered that i had left with blixtservice earlier and they had given it back to me and said there was nothing wrong with it. pierre pulled off the cover to the solenoid and ground down a little bit off of the (shunt coil?) and checked it again. all of a sudden it was spinning like nobodys business. this would explain the intermittence of the bugger since me and joel installed the engine.
i went to reinstall the start motor and then found out that the bolt to the plus on the solenoid had been snapped off and the thread was effed up. whoever had done this had threaded a nut on to the bit of bolt that was sticking out and then threaded the rest of the bolt into the same nut then threaded on another bolt. so you can imagine when 'snapit' here tried to tighten it up it just fell of. another hour, various bits begged and borrowed from my neighbours and some loctite solved that.

right then.. power. startmotor works. deep breath. ignition? nähä?
this time she wasnt getting any fuel, it was obvious that she was going to fight me every step of the way and my time was up. i had promised my neighbour i would help him to go and pick up loads of beverage for his party tomorrow of which i would be partaking so it was the least i could do
i dont get it. last time i started the motor she started and ran (albeit badly). it feels like i had taken a couple steps back which was admittedly a little bit frustrating. i just want to know that she starts and runs right. iwould even go so far as to say that i think i bloody well deserve it by now. but on a positive note i got to work on her outside in the sun which was really nice and with a little help, i solved a couple things which i hope wont be coming back to haunt me for a while at least. tomorrow i will be trying to find out why im not getting any fuel. i couldnt here the fuel pump engaging when i had the key to on so i geuss ill start there. i hasten to add that the fuel level was very low and when i told roger he said that on some cars when the fuel is very low it turns off the pump so tha it doesnt burn up. i dont know if the seven had this function but ill be taking a jerry can with me to start with tomorrow.
Old 04-04-14, 08:49 PM
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[Epic automotive battle intensifies]

I hope it's something simple like the fuel pump man, I really do. You're damn right you deserve a smooth startup for a change, always working through your thousands of debilitating illnesses that you seem to get. (How do you get sick so often anyway? Do you just go around town licking the faces of small children?)

I can't remember and there's too many pages to check back through, but have you done any work on the fuel pump or the wiring? When I got my fc running the first time I had a periodic no-start issue that ended up being old shitty OEM wiring and relay. As a band-aid fix I ended up running new wires on a switch to the pump from the ignition so I could just turn the pump on manually. This time I'll be doing it properly with a proper relay.

I would get a buddy to turn the key while you check voltage with a multimeter right at the pump itself

Good luck homie

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Old 04-04-14, 11:10 PM
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I think blame is right to think fuel pump.
The circuit meanders all over the car and is potentially vulnerable in several places.

After all you've done, a slight detour is really not a big deal and a stable fuel supply is much to be desired.
Your S4 fuel bulkhead connectors are really easy to tap into, running a hot wire direct from battery to terminal is a piece o cake. Disconnect the feed line to the rails (after the filter) and juice the pump, see what comes out.

She will decide when you deserve to hear her run, not you.


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