clokker

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I agree that the concept of the snubber seems good (I just installed one myself) but have some problems with the standard install (mine included).

My issue is that the usually employed snubber is basically an inverted pyramid but there's no corresponding flat surface on the diff nose for it to bear against. The small contact patch of the snubber and the rounded surface of the diff nose is hardly ideal as a consistent restraint.

I would propose- and John is certainly capable of making- a snubber made from a rectangular block that would straddle the top of the diff case.
A simple (or perfect, if you prefer) profile cut on the bottom would ensure wider and more certain engagement and erase the possibility of misalignment.

NVH may increase but could perhaps be mitigated with material choice or relief cuts in the flat (upper) surface that mates with the floorpan.

texFCturboII

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To the best of my knowledge, yes. The car in question was purchased from a friend who had depowered the rack "the right way"... Perhaps I was misled, but there was a noticeable difference between the two.

eage8

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The manual rack is a much lower ratio, so it'll be easier just from mechanical advantage (you have to turn the wheel more for the tires to move the same)

they should be the same as far is precision goes if the pinion was welded.

bikedad

I tried the snubber method but I still had problems with it. Here's how I have my pinion setup now. I boxed the mount around the rubber with steel stock. I have Delrin diff bushings and DTSS Eliminators. A little more NVH but not bad by any means. No wheel hop at all.

ITSWILL

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I am a fan of the snubber. I use fender washers to adjust preload which is a pretty nice feature. I have never had any problem with this setup in either my 20b or my nitrous LS1. Everyone I know who has has solid mounts eventually broke them.

John Huijben

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Yup, I agree.
I'll see how it goes with this rack, and maybe switch to a longer stroke aluminium rack with electric power steering later.



Nice! I saw those pictures already a while ago. I also made a mount that secures the front of the differential to the subframe but I did it a bit differently:







I'll put some rubber bushings between the nuts and the subframe so it's not 100% solid. Maybe I'll also add a snubber between the chassis and the top of the diff, just to be sure.

j9fd3s

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i like that, pretty simple, and it should work really well.

nvmarx

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nice work john

tegheim

It seemes like you all want it to be stuck to the subframe, but all of you keep the rubber and weld around it?
Am I missing something here, or why you don't replace the rubber with a billet steel-plate?
Maybe in Aluminium to get some little space if it wants to move...

180sx-x

Dont want chatter or wheel hop?

j9fd3s

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i would HATE the noise...

Ciolfi

What did you use to cover the cruise control hole?

jaggermouth

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My stock cluster in a car with no cruise had one, its a little piece that screws or bolts in place of the switch, stock mazda item

clokker

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Exactly.
Not only does it perfectly fill the CC switch hole but it has a pseudo electrical socket on the backside to hold the unused harness plug.

Someone really loved their job...

Ciolfi

Gonna have to go hunt one down now!

j9fd3s

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they still do! the Rx8 has faux connectors molded into the center console for the cars that don't have seat heaters, and thus no switches.

you'd think it would save a lot of bandwidth because then there is no "where does this connector go" thread, but it probably doesn't

400bhp

awesome build amazing engineering skills

John Huijben

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Ok, work on the car has been a bit slow because of some other car projects but I got some stuff done. The wheels had a BMW stud pattern, so I machined the mazda pattern into them, also removed the parking damage and fitted some rubber . The rear suspension and diff is now prepped and painted, got all the machined steel suspension hardware electroplated. With all the parts ready I started working on the differential. I'm swapping out the stock open diff for an LSD one.

First thing I did was recheck and shim the LSD. I tried different shims, and different stacking combinations. I ended up with the disc springs in the stock location, with a 0.3mm shim added between two of the disc springs and the clutch plates stacked differently so two friction surfaces are added. Preload at this moment is about 110Nm's. I don't know if it's the right amount of preload but at least it's a start.

After the LSD unit was in check I mounted the differential in the housing, and setup the bearing preload and backlash. I got those both perfect, but when checking the gear meshing pattern I noticed it wasn't centered. The loading part was biased to the toe side of the ring gear, so I needed to reduce the shimming between the pinion gear and the rear pinion bearing. I pressed the driveshaft out of the diff housing, and tried pressing the rear bearing of the shaft. Which didn't work because that bearing was really stuck on there! Problem is holding that bearing in place while pressing. Long story short, I got it off, but the rear bearing is damaged. Does anyknow know if this bearing is a normal item, or is it a special mazda item? The bearing says NSK HR 32307 C, so I think it's a normal bearing I can get locally for cheap but I'm not sure.

damic

That bearing is something standard, not special Mazda (just look it up in Google )

tegheim

Differentals are something that never will understand! It seems soo easy, but my Mensa-membership doesn't help me here :-)

hIGGI

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Subframe closer to the chassis, and you will very likely have space issues with inner ends of lateral links touching chassis.

John Huijben

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Yup, it is. Sometimes you have to be carefull though, I've had some occasions where manufacturers would use modified bearings that still had the original bearing code on them. So you would order the bearing according to that, and it wouldn't fit. Not the case with this differential bearing though. I looked around and found a local bearing supplier that had the right bearing in stock, exact same code and manufacturer as used by mazda. He was getting rid of old supply, so I got it for $14 . Not bad, I thought I was screwed when I messed up the old one!


Took me a while to get it right too! Would've been a lot easier if the pinion height didn't have to be modified. I finished the differential tonight, What I did was:
Machine 0.1mm off the pinion shim decreasing it's width to 3.14mm, machine a tool and use it to press the new pinion bearing in, fit the input shaft, machine another tool and use it to press that center bearing on with 900kgf, mount the flange and set the input shaft preload to 1.5Nms, mount the differential, set the backlash to 0.09mm's and preload to 204.48mm, tighten the bearing caps, recheck backlash and backlash consistancy, recheck preload, adjust and recheck things a little bit until it was right, check the gear contact pattern, which was perfect! , clean everything up, recheck LSD breakaway torque, apply some sealant and mount the rear differential case. It's all good to go now!

Differential during assembly:



Nah, I didn't move it up that much, maybe like 5-8mm's. You run in major fitment issues after that, not just with the lateral links. I already testfitted it like this, and it's close but fine.

John Huijben

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Got the front suspension on there:




Got everything for the rear suspension together:




Showing front diff mount:




Here the suspension is mounted on the car. Everything moves really well without any binding whatsoever, while still feeling very solid. Those independent camber adjusters fit very well too, Suspension-wise, I'm happy , just need to space out the pinion snubber a bit.




Almost ready to remove the axle stands, finally

stevensimon

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Whats the hall sensor for?

Holton713BRE

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Looking good! This build just gets better and better.