3-rotor 20B FC Drift Build
10-15-12, 10:18 AM
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I am currently running 255 Federal SS 595s in the back... which is adequate, but I am switching to Achilles ATR Sport for next year, which from what I've heard is a drastic increase in traction... so I think if I keep a 255, it should be more then enough traction (considering Daigo Saito runs the same tires with 1000rwhp and 275s in the back lol)
10-15-12, 11:25 AM
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No I could definitely tell from your two videos. The extra angle gave you a decimating advantage in quicker powerband, turn in, and control. You look like a fish in water in the second video, Im sure its all ***** and grins as your driving.
Good to know about the tire situation, just in-case I ever see a 20b power increase
(rear 265's on NA. Going more for a grip monster... Just curious if my current setup is safe to transfer over, if I ever make... changes...)
Good to know about the tire situation, just in-case I ever see a 20b power increase
(rear 265's on NA. Going more for a grip monster... Just curious if my current setup is safe to transfer over, if I ever make... changes...)
11-07-12, 10:31 AM
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So, me and my friend are currently working on a rear mounted radiator setup for next year. Yup, we thought it through (sarcasm).
Pros:
- better cooling
- better intercooler position with shorter piping (increased low-end torque and overall response)
- better weight distribution (offset the extra 20B weight to the back to regain 50/50)
- better placement of oil coolers and intercooler for safer smashing into walls and other drift cars
- sweet as ****!
Cons:
- idiots working on the project
- underestimated cost (by a **** load)
- underestimated complexity of project
- panic setting in as we realized we've done something we can't reverse
I'm sure this picture speaks for itself:
Updates with pics will be available in a couple of weeks!
Pros:
- better cooling
- better intercooler position with shorter piping (increased low-end torque and overall response)
- better weight distribution (offset the extra 20B weight to the back to regain 50/50)
- better placement of oil coolers and intercooler for safer smashing into walls and other drift cars
- sweet as ****!
Cons:
- idiots working on the project
- underestimated cost (by a **** load)
- underestimated complexity of project
- panic setting in as we realized we've done something we can't reverse
I'm sure this picture speaks for itself:
Updates with pics will be available in a couple of weeks!
11-07-12, 11:41 AM
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This is the only photo I can find at the moment of my buddies car, he built himself. I took this photo almost... wow, 6 years ago....
Anyway... Thats an oil cooler in his back bumper... The spout sticking up is the "fill plug" for oil changes... I think the car holds like... 10 quarts or something ridiculous. Also has a pineapple racing oil pan or something.
Anyway... Thats an oil cooler in his back bumper... The spout sticking up is the "fill plug" for oil changes... I think the car holds like... 10 quarts or something ridiculous. Also has a pineapple racing oil pan or something.
11-07-12, 12:03 PM
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You might want to look into possible issues with the water pump. Ive heard of some subaru guys doing this in rally and the stock water pumps would burn up trying to move the extra fluid. Cool idea though, good luck!
11-07-12, 12:10 PM
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Yeah, we've considered that issue... and we are getting mixed responses from research. For now, we are going to try to keep the OEM water-pump, and if it's not adequate I will either add an electric in-line to assist or just convert 100% to electric water-pump setup.
11-11-12, 03:22 PM
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Meanwhile, the front is almost complete, with the exception of running the lines for the radiator (waiting on the lines and need to have a few things welded on the neck and water pump housing).
11-25-12, 10:46 AM
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The rear is almost done as well, we are just waiting for many pieces including the radiator to come back from welding in order to start putting back together the cooling system.
We've welded a bash bar that you can't really see under the rear bumper as well.
We've welded a bash bar that you can't really see under the rear bumper as well.
11-25-12, 09:31 PM
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Electric pump will do you what you want easy.
Id be very worried about that airflow through the bumper. But you also have increased capacity in the lines now, so you might be ok.
how does the ducting work to it ? Is it just all airflow from the fan and nothing from the car speed ?
Id be very worried about that airflow through the bumper. But you also have increased capacity in the lines now, so you might be ok.
how does the ducting work to it ? Is it just all airflow from the fan and nothing from the car speed ?
11-27-12, 12:37 PM
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Electric pump will do you what you want easy.
Id be very worried about that airflow through the bumper. But you also have increased capacity in the lines now, so you might be ok.
how does the ducting work to it ? Is it just all airflow from the fan and nothing from the car speed ?
Id be very worried about that airflow through the bumper. But you also have increased capacity in the lines now, so you might be ok.
how does the ducting work to it ? Is it just all airflow from the fan and nothing from the car speed ?
In regards with the airflow, I didn't have much flow to begin with up front since I'm usually sideways and the radiator was blocked by a 3" thick IC. Also the ambient temperature of the radiator was over 100F, while the temperature inside the car where it will be pulling air from will rarely go over that mark (without me passing out at the wheel).
The Ford taurus fan will be pulling air from the cabin, through the radiator and out the back of the car. There is no way you can run it the other way, as it will pull in all the smoke from the rear tires and will basically kill me lol. Actually, having the fan there is great since it will pull out any smoke that currently gets in the car while drifting.
11-27-12, 08:50 PM
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Originally Posted by 2RotorSpeed
I have been discussing this project with Defined Autoworks, and they agreed that the stock waterpump should be able to handle the rear mounted radiator setup..
Originally Posted by 2RotorSpeed
In regards with the airflow, I didn't have much flow to begin with up front since I'm usually sideways and the radiator was blocked by a 3" thick IC. Also the ambient temperature of the radiator was over 100F, while the temperature inside the car where it will be pulling air from will rarely go over that mark (without me passing out at the wheel).
Originally Posted by 2RotorSpeed
The Ford taurus fan will be pulling air from the cabin, through the radiator and out the back of the car. There is no way you can run it the other way, as it will pull in all the smoke from the rear tires and will basically kill me lol. Actually, having the fan there is great since it will pull out any smoke that currently gets in the car while drifting.
also as you already know, any moving air though a rad at any speed is more than a fan can do (simplistically). Fans are a back up for stationary vehicles as far as I'm concerned. But good luck, I hope the results work well
11-28-12, 06:48 AM
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Im sure you already know, but the greatest advantage of a EWP, is that your not reliant on engine speed to generate water flow.
So do I, but I haven't hit a temp over 80deg yet.... as much as your sideways you will always generate some differencal pressure. where as in a cabin you wont necessarily.
I guess you have to do it with the windows down then also as you already know, any moving air though a rad at any speed is more than a fan can do (simplistically). Fans are a back up for stationary vehicles as far as I'm concerned. But good luck, I hope the results work well
So do I, but I haven't hit a temp over 80deg yet.... as much as your sideways you will always generate some differencal pressure. where as in a cabin you wont necessarily.
I guess you have to do it with the windows down then
also as you already know, any moving air though a rad at any speed is more than a fan can do (simplistically). Fans are a back up for stationary vehicles as far as I'm concerned. But good luck, I hope the results work well Also yes, I always drift with the windows down since I dont have AC... and the car is black on black lol. I will defiantly post some results in the summer, whether this setup is as efficient as I am hoping it will be.
11-28-12, 10:22 AM
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i always drift with the windows down because it helps me focus on my targets easier.
ewp is where its at for sure but nothing wrong with a good mechanical pump. also fluids do not compress so if you dont have air in the system, your pump will be able to pull water through a straw for miles at the same efficiency as sucking through the stock system.
ewp is where its at for sure but nothing wrong with a good mechanical pump. also fluids do not compress so if you dont have air in the system, your pump will be able to pull water through a straw for miles at the same efficiency as sucking through the stock system.
