mustanghammer

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There are a couple of ways to mate a Jerico 4spd to a rotary engine. The latest method is to use a Quick Time bell housing along with a turbo flywheel. This is the method that Jerico will refer to if you call them and ask about this process. It is probably an easy way to do this especially if you haven't settled on a flywheel/clutch or you already have a good turbo setup.

For my application this is a non-starter because I already have a light weight non-turbo dual disk clutch. As a result, going the Quick Time route would cost too much. So I am going to use the old school route and have an adapter made that uses a Rotary PU bell housing.

The first first step was to install a new input shaft that is designed for my approach to this problem. Part number I187635C-4 was purchased from Irv Hoerr Racing Products. This input shaft is based on a Chrysler big block 18 spline input shaft that has a pilot that fits a Mazda rotary. I actually had to buy two of them to get one that fits my main shaft - the picture below is of the first one I got but second look just like it. These things are spendy and a real Chinese Puzzle to install.



The next step was to source a Mazda Bell Housing that has a flange that I can adapt to. The bell housing used on early Mazda transmissions like the 4sp/5sp used in a rotary Pu fits the bill. These bell housings have an 8 bolt pattern that is also shared with a Turbo II transmission. Unlike the bell housing that is on a NA RX7 transmission the bell housing is not a major part of the gear box case.

The bell housing I selected had to be bored out to fit the Jerico shaft because like everything else in a Jerico it is allot bigger than the Mazda input shaft. Note that when you do this, make sure and reference off of the bearing registers on the bell housing and not the center of OE bore. The reason is that the OE bore holes are rarely centered - mine was not.



More to come.

mustanghammer

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With the bell housing bored out to accept the Jerico input shaft it was time to mock things up an determine how thick the adapter will need to be. Worked out to be 2 inches. Having a core engine makes this easy.

Kenku

That's really not much bigger than the OEM gear cluster, is it.

mustanghammer

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No it really isn't. In fact with the adapter in place between the bell housing and the transmission the trans mount is just about in the same place as the OE trans mount.

mustanghammer

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I purchased a 12x12x2" piece of 6061 T6 billet off of eBay and drafted up the center bore for the adapter. On the Jerico side the adapter registers on the bearing retainer. On the Mazda side the adapter has a sleeve that registers into back of the bell housing.

All of the bolt patterns reference off of the center of the bore so the adapter is perfectly centered on both the trans and the bell housing. The Jerico pattern was programed from a technical drawing on the Jerico Performance web site. The Mazda pattern was marked using an alignment punch.

Jerico side


Mazda side


Bell housing clamped to the adapter to mark the pattern

mustanghammer

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To make room for the starter the Jerico transmission case has to be modified. Not real hard to do but when you realize you are cutting up a virgin trans case it is sobering.

Before


After

mustanghammer

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Here is the finished product created by David Long at SantaFeGarge.com using a 2 axis CNC mill.

Jerico side - note the drain slot in case of a front seal leak


Mazda side


Eye Candy


Bolted to the transmission


Bell housing bolted on


All together


2nd Gen NA Starter bolted on

woodmv

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This is truly the high tech R&D skunkworks of RX-7 transmission performance!

On a side note, I just noticed that we have "like", "share" and "tweet" buttons on the forum post!

mustanghammer

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Thanks Wood!


Actually this is not a new method of adapting a rotary. 10yrs ago Jerico made and sold these adapters and you can still get them made by GForce and Sevens Only on a one off basis. We decided to try this ourselves.

Kenku

That's a nice looking piece!

Because it's kind of my thing lately, I'm thinking of designing and casting a custom bellhousing to do this. I admit though that it may be mostly because I want one of the late RX-8 starters spinning an NA diameter flywheel. Well, and because I am having fun casting stuff.

mustanghammer

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Casting an entirely new bell housing makes what we have done seem like child's play. You have to post up your progress on that deal!

Kenku

Well, whether or not it looks like child's play, one of us has an STU car that might be on track in 2017 and one of us doesn't. In all seriousness, I'm trying to get to the point where I can cast low volume production race-ey parts - I'm (back to after a pause to buy a house) working on more optimized intake manifolds, and a bellhousing seems like a decent step after that.

Thinking of STU stuff though, I need to get a heater in my barn and get back to fixing the Miata unibody I have sitting on sawhorses - even if I do get stuff cast, it does me no good if there's no car to put it in.

mhr650

You planning to use 3D printed patterns for your rapid castings? That is how all of our prototype turbine and compressor housings are made nowadays. It is pretty amazing that you can have complete prototype cast and machined parts in 3 weeks, we pretty much use 2 suppliers since they are the ones that work with high temp cast stainless, both are in Germany.

Kenku

Exactly what I'm doing, yeah, just at a home foundry level. I had a thread in the Naturally Aspirated forum that I'll bump up, actually... haven't made more progress on intake manifolds themselves, but I made some other stuff to get myself back in gear.

Sorry for the derail.

mustanghammer

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So slowly making progress. Pulled the engine and transmission a couple of weeks ago just before coming down with the flu. Once that passed I started working on things again.





I swapped the transmission (Rx7 case with Miata gear set) for a set of clutch disks that have the hemi spines my Jerico uses.





To get the clutch disks lined up I had to make an alignment tool. I picked up a plastic 18 spline Hemi/big block alignment tool and had it modified to fit a Mazda pilot. To do this I cut open the tool, filled it full of aluminum foil ***** and J B Weld and then David Long at Santa Fe Garage turned it down to fit a the Mazda pilot. I have a universal alignment tool but it doesn't work for multi-disk clutches.





Once I had the new clutch disks installed and centered I mated the engine and the Jerico. It fits perfectly and the throw out bearing has plenty of clearance. By the way, I have some guide pins that I made out of long M10 x 1.25 pitch bolts that really make this work a breeze.

Frankenmazda

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All I can say is..............WOW! just..............WOW! your work always impresses me.

KansasCityREPU

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What are you using for your oil return line and the rear of the engine? Is that a 18mm for a -10AN fitting?

RGHTBrainDesign

Depending on the location (front or back), these are either M16 x 1.5 to -10AN (FRONT) or M18 x 1.5 to -10AN (BACK). Off the top of my head I ordered 1x M16 and 1x M18 for my Turbo II ages ago to convert it. FB/FC Oil coolers are usually the same thing. M18 x 1.5.

KansasCityREPU

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Racing Beat says 71-85 use these so I was going off that.

- Three (3) Racing Beat -10-to-16mm adapter fittings.
- One (1) Racing Beat -10-to- 18mm adapter fitting.

Universal Oil Cooler Hose Kit for 71-85 Chassis - Racing Beat

16mm
These fittings adapt the 16mm female metric threads in the front cover (1971-95 rotary engines) and oil cooler (1971-85 stock or factory race) to accept -10 hose ends.

18mm
These fittings adapt the 18mm female metric threads in the rear housing to accept -10 hose ends. Additionally, these 18mm female fittings also fit the 1986-1992 factory oil coolers.

mustanghammer

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Thanks man. Love how yours is coming out!

mustanghammer

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I got the fittings from Mazdatrix a bunch of years ago which means they are probably the Racing Beat parts. I make my own -10 AN hoses

Freeskier7791

Scott,

Do you think if I cut the front fender wells out like you did, do I need to add bracing, or can I just stitch weld the tower to the rear fender well and frame rail?

mustanghammer

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No I don't think that would do the trick. I feel like the OE inner fender panels add allot of structure so if you cut them out something has to be put back in to make up for them.

This car was going to get all of that structure no matter what. The two tubes that come straight through the firewall on the left and right sides of the engine compartment are required by the SCCA to make this a legal Production/GT cage. The tubes that I added because of the inner fender panel removal are the vertical tubes that run parallel to the strut towers.

I raced this car allot with only a strut brace because that was all that was allowed and I can tell you that there is movement going on up front. The structure I added is noticeable and worth the weight.


The structure is also there to help protect critical suspension mounting points in case of an accident. A really hard hit would kill the car but something less hard or contact with another car hopefully will leave the car repairable.

Freeskier7791

Thanks for the info, my car does not have a cage yet, but I wonder if even welding tubes to the firewall would help with stiffness. Maybe I will just wait to cut those up until I decide to cage my car

Gilgamesh

So what did the final port work look like?

I have been curious about what it takes to get over 200hp on street ported 12As and 13Bs in SCCA classes.