93 RX7 Project Build
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congrats bro. after having the BNR stage 1 drop ins and making 350whp/312tq at 14psi - yeah man - its totally worth it for the price.
you have those part numbers for those frame pieces you bought.
Cant wait to see you on the road.
you have those part numbers for those frame pieces you bought.
Cant wait to see you on the road.
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Thanks guys, and I can't wait. I'm leaning towards the non-sequential BNR drop in but still have some time to decide right now, if done right it does seem like a very reliable, consistent and fun setup with not as much lag as some folks make it seem like. Lucky to have bought a pair last year and should drop in easily, and glad I did my homework in collecting every single part I needed so there will be no delays in getting anything to put the build together in one go. I'll try to find out the part numbers for those parts for you and message you bro.
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A well put together sequential system is very reliable, mine has been working for more than a decade, and I just put it together with some used solenoids. You can even use the new solenoid box and have a whole new system, just need to re-pin your harness with new connectors. A dyno chart will show all the differences between seq vs non-seq, so it’s your choice.
The body work looks great tho, looking forward to see it put back together!
The body work looks great tho, looking forward to see it put back together!
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I'm leaning towards sequential too but my engine guy who builds engines (haven't needed to use for my engine which is pretty much brand new) is helping me out with guidance on the build. He suggested a non-sequential done correctly is fast, but I think I would prefer having the "fun" responsive nature of the FD at a lower power level and for a street car having that torque and responsiveness in the lower end is so important for sure.
I will try to do a sequential setup, and if I ever get bored of it, which I probably never will - then I'll go EFR. Thanks
Age old debate, and I've done so many searches in the past and have never been convinced of doing non-sequential thanks to all the knowledge on the club.
I will try to do a sequential setup, and if I ever get bored of it, which I probably never will - then I'll go EFR. Thanks
Age old debate, and I've done so many searches in the past and have never been convinced of doing non-sequential thanks to all the knowledge on the club.
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long story short
non-seq just simplifies the vac lines since the rats nest is no longer needed and its easier to tune without the transition wizardry.
but..... FC Tweak is the wizardry decoder.. lol
arguments can be made for every option.
the way I look at things is what can i do to get the results i want, while still maintaining the value of the parts affected.
but if you were to ask me, stay seq, then go single.
Mazda made the RX7 seq for a reason.
Its all about the connection and feeling with the car - to become one.
non-seq just simplifies the vac lines since the rats nest is no longer needed and its easier to tune without the transition wizardry.
but..... FC Tweak is the wizardry decoder.. lol
arguments can be made for every option.
the way I look at things is what can i do to get the results i want, while still maintaining the value of the parts affected.
but if you were to ask me, stay seq, then go single.
Mazda made the RX7 seq for a reason.
Its all about the connection and feeling with the car - to become one.
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Agreed about the Parallel. No point in running them in parallel these days, either keep sequential or go single. You are already deep into this thing, might as well just make sure all the vacuum lines and solenoids are good and keep sequential if you don't want to spend the money on a single yet. The vacuum lines really aren't that much work, especially since everything is already tore down. I don't think non-sequential "done correctly" will really yield much faster if any than a properly operating sequential. You have everything apart, port the wastegates and clean things up so you have better boost control and stability. I have found that many shops that are afraid of the FD sequential control system and will push the non sequential and claim it is much better and faster with no real data. They just want a quick fix and not to have to deal with the system IMO. You get the lag of a larger turbo with much less power output, thats about it.
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Simplified sequential is actually really easy, I even deleted the metal pipe attach to the solenoid rack and run my own vacuum lines to free up more space under the UIM, it's like 10 lines and 4 brass Ts and you have a working system.
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I have the autotune FC Tweak license as well, can't wait to finally use it. Seeing your FD @rotaryextreme is a testament to how good that program is for sure bro. I think I messaged Xavier a while back for a baseline tune but if I didn't I'll have to re-email him once my FD is almost back together, which should be pretty soon now. I looked through my emails and couldn't find anything so I must have not sent him my setup yet.
The shop here locally that's helping me with this build is very well versed in both the sequential and parallel, and we talked about the sequential setup and he can easily get it done so I am excited about that. He was suggesting non-sequential due to the reliability factor but can get a sequential setup as well and has done it before without issues. It's a solid shop which is a breath of fresh air being from the Central Valley. Having a trustworthy and high quality shop locally is great.
The owner is a great guy who primarily focuses on building engines now a days but is setting up folks that he can trust to work on rotaries at his own shop and then will rent it out to them. He used to wrench himself and still does but not for customers anymore. Has had 30 or so FD's and is a great wealth of knowledge and now have folks he's training to work on FD's now. Not going to lie, with the situation I was in with a bad shop, he went above and beyond to make sure things were right and I'm happy every step of the way with good guidance. Glad i went through every detail on the car and didn't slap it together without going through a few minor body and paint issues. Would have been easy since I had all the parts but glad I ended up going this route, and I don't think I could have trusted another shop to have steered me in the right direction like this.
Realistically I'll be happy with 320-350 HP. Went to visit shop again last week and looked through the engine and we inspected the seals and he's confident they're OEM Mazda seals thankfully, I had thought they were rotary aviation but think I was incorrect. Said it looked like a brand new engine, and was not ported.
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I'm also going to delete the ABS, retain AC and likely keep power steering for now.
The shop here locally that's helping me with this build is very well versed in both the sequential and parallel, and we talked about the sequential setup and he can easily get it done so I am excited about that. He was suggesting non-sequential due to the reliability factor but can get a sequential setup as well and has done it before without issues. It's a solid shop which is a breath of fresh air being from the Central Valley. Having a trustworthy and high quality shop locally is great.
The owner is a great guy who primarily focuses on building engines now a days but is setting up folks that he can trust to work on rotaries at his own shop and then will rent it out to them. He used to wrench himself and still does but not for customers anymore. Has had 30 or so FD's and is a great wealth of knowledge and now have folks he's training to work on FD's now. Not going to lie, with the situation I was in with a bad shop, he went above and beyond to make sure things were right and I'm happy every step of the way with good guidance. Glad i went through every detail on the car and didn't slap it together without going through a few minor body and paint issues. Would have been easy since I had all the parts but glad I ended up going this route, and I don't think I could have trusted another shop to have steered me in the right direction like this.
Realistically I'll be happy with 320-350 HP. Went to visit shop again last week and looked through the engine and we inspected the seals and he's confident they're OEM Mazda seals thankfully, I had thought they were rotary aviation but think I was incorrect. Said it looked like a brand new engine, and was not ported.
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I'm also going to delete the ABS, retain AC and likely keep power steering for now.
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