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Old Sep 2, 2008 | 08:26 AM
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I purchased a set of S4 TII rotors from ls1007, paid the full asking price for item, shipping, and even paypal fees. Received the item a little over a week later. When I opened the package, this is what it looked like:



You would think these parts weren't very important to the engine, considering the eight pieces of styrofoam used!!! Needless to say, when they got here, the apex seal/corner seal grooves were damaged to ****:



Upon receiving these, I contacted ls1007 about the damage, being polite and courteous.


Originally Posted by Trots*88TII-AE*
Just received your package today. I have two rotors, in a box barely large enough to fit them alone, and about 8 pieces of broken styrofoam. Needless to say, the corner seal groove/apex seal grooves are busted to hell, these rotors are useless. I've called UPS about this to open a file. Could you not have put some effort into packing these things? They do happen to be somewhat crucial parts to an engine! I expect my money fully re-imbursed including the shipping, otherwise I'll make a claim through paypal. I'll send them back to you if you really want them, but you can pay for shipping this time. I'll have pictures uploaded tonight after work for you.
Originally Posted by ls1007
i had other local check them and confirm they were still in good condition . i would never sell sumthing i knw was no good honestly .. im not that kind of seller . if u want to ship them back do it but im only willing to pay back the 204 u paid .
Originally Posted by Trots*88TII-AE*
the refund for 204 is all i'm looking for. I don't honestly think that you'd clean/polish up rotors that were no good. What I'm saying is that you were careless in packaging them, which resulted in the damage. If you'd like them back, I'll ship them back at your expense, but these are useless to me. Here are the pictures:






Originally Posted by ls1007
im sorry about that . but ill refund u what u payed if i get them back . i tought they were packedge well enough to prevent damage . u might have to wait a bit for me to gets funds in my paypal .
Thought they were packaged well enough? there was absolutely NOTHING between the apex seal groove and the corner of the cardboard box on BOTH sides!

Originally Posted by Trots*88TII-AE*
If you want them back, you can pay for the shipping to return them. I'm not going to pay for your carelessness. I'm not sure if you've ever shipped anything before, but when you put a part, that happens to be somewhat delicate right up against the cardboard with no protection and give it to a shipper, ITS GOING TO GET DAMAGED! I haven't even included the fact that I had to pay another $36 in brokerage fees to cross the border, and I'm paying for storage EVERY DAY for my car at my builders' because I don't have all the parts that I was supposed to have and be on schedule. All I'm asking for is the refund for the paypal payment that I sent, I'm willing to eat the rest. And I won't wait for anything, I'll give you 48 hours to refund the payment to paypal before I post the pictures and messages on your FS add, and every single post you make to follow. Not to mention I will file a complaint with paypal and UPS. I've been extremely patient so far, but I'm getting near my limits.
and once again he comes back with the bullshit

Originally Posted by ls1007
well im sorry but ill do 150 refund . if i dnt get the rotors back then i wont do the full 204 . im not trying to be a dick but im not going to pay for shipping either ... if u want to make it ugluy and make a lot of drama then go ahead . they were perfectly fine when i shiped them . they got damaged . sorry . i tought they were packadge great . so yes im sorry ..

i can paypal u 150 today . or 204 if u wanna ship them back .
and then I get angry...

Originally Posted by Trots*88TII-AE*
Can you tell me why it's fair that it should cost me ~$90 to have a pair of useless rotors? Why I paid full price, got some useless ******* junk and that now it's going to not only cost me more money to go and find another set of rotors, but it's going to cost me $90, on top of a HELL of a lot of wasted time because you don't know how to SHIP something? Are you completely ******* retarded? Last chance, I want my full $204 refunded by tomorrow, or else I'm going to take legal actions myself. And if you do want your useless triangular pieces of metal for scrap, YOU can pay to ship them back to you. I'll even package them up properly so you can learn how the **** to do it.
Originally Posted by ls1007
wow . be happy with the 150 refund . ITS NOT MY FAULT THEY WERE DAMAGED . i asked u to wait for the rest of the refund and u refuse to wait . ull be getting 150 from me tonight and thats all . too bad u had to act like a ******* dick . have a good day .
Not his fault they were damaged? So, did someone else package them up so poorly while you were drunk and blindfolded and then mail them out?

So the seller sends me $150 paypal'ed (with no 3% fee...) so I now have $145 out of the $250+ I've spent, I've got MORE useless rotors, and I am the one who is the dick? I've now opened a claim through paypal to try to get my full refund, and i'm willing to settle it by returning the $150, and getting my $204 refunded, in which I'm still taking a loss.
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Old Sep 2, 2008 | 01:18 PM
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look . u were being a dick i asked u to wait for the rest of the money and u couldnt . so i sent u 150 ..

and u didnt pay full asking price . i wanted 200 for them i had cut u a deal for 150 for both ..

in noooo way was i trying to screw u . but after the insults and name call it be happy with that .

u could have waited about 1 week for me to gather like another 27 ******* dollars to get u ur full refund that i was ok to give u and then u got mad . so too bad so sad i refunded ur 150 u paid for the rotors . thanks . ups damged the rotors . not me . im not the one that droped them off at ur door step .

again i would have giving u the full refund if u would have been patient . but u werent . and also its not my fault about u having to pay extra money for storage of ur car and other **** ..

once again sorry ! accept it or not .
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Old Sep 2, 2008 | 01:26 PM
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Not. we'll see if paypal will resolve this I guess.
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Old Sep 2, 2008 | 02:41 PM
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Always ask a shipper to install old apex seals when shipping rotors... Just a tip.
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Old Sep 2, 2008 | 03:34 PM
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Originally Posted by racerjason
Always ask a shipper to install old apex seals when shipping rotors... Just a tip.
thank you, advice is much appreciated, I will remember that!
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Old Sep 2, 2008 | 04:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Trots*88TII-AE*
Not. we'll see if paypal will resolve this I guess.


I doubt it! Paypal usually screws anyone outside of ebay buyers/sellers.


Did you request insurance on the package prior to shipping? Just wondering...
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Old Sep 2, 2008 | 05:26 PM
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didnt ups or whoever u shipped the package stop u from shipping somethingwas loose. idk but this is why i pay or have a buyer pay for packaging on shipping cost. let them deal with it becuase if u pack it and get it damage. ups or fedex will want the box and everything that u used to investigate the broken pieces on this kind of bs. I dont trust myself on packing.. there i admit and so should the person who shipped the rotors but atleast i make sure they dont get damaged. A worker at fedex gave me a tip. never use newspaper. allways use extra carboard, stryofoam around the edges of item and styrofoam inside to cusion the impact. To test if itll hold up. He told me to purposly drop the box from a desk or like 3 feet high. If it bounches and roll with no noise then u got urself a safe legit packaged item. If not then its gonna be in danger of damaging.
to the op i think u were a bit aggresive..not a dick but aggresive. U had a bad experience but if u waited this arguement could had been avoided. When you are nice and respectfull to each other, they tend to want to do the good thing and fix the problem.
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Old Sep 2, 2008 | 06:33 PM
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Originally Posted by ls1oo7
look . u were being a dick i asked u to wait for the rest of the money and u couldnt . so i sent u 150 ..

and u didnt pay full asking price . i wanted 200 for them i had cut u a deal for 150 for both ..

in noooo way was i trying to screw u . but after the insults and name call it be happy with that .

u could have waited about 1 week for me to gather like another 27 ******* dollars to get u ur full refund that i was ok to give u and then u got mad . so too bad so sad i refunded ur 150 u paid for the rotors . thanks . ups damged the rotors . not me . im not the one that droped them off at ur door step .

again i would have giving u the full refund if u would have been patient . but u werent . and also its not my fault about u having to pay extra money for storage of ur car and other **** ..

once again sorry ! accept it or not .
Wrong, it's your fault that the rotors arrived like that. That was a horrible packing job, and those rotors were doomed before they ever left your hands.

You need to refund the buyer every dollar that he spent, period. You should probably include extra for wasting his time.
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Old Sep 2, 2008 | 08:08 PM
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Originally Posted by GoodfellaFD3S
Wrong, it's your fault that the rotors arrived like that. That was a horrible packing job, and those rotors were doomed before they ever left your hands.

You need to refund the buyer every dollar that he spent, period. You should probably include extra for wasting his time.
+1 and waisting our time

that **** looks like it was packed by a retarded quadriplegic
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Old Sep 2, 2008 | 08:45 PM
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its the buyers fault for not buying insurance.

IMHO
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Old Sep 2, 2008 | 09:03 PM
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Originally Posted by rogrx7
its the buyers fault for not buying insurance.

IMHO
Wrong again. No shipping carrier in it's right mind would EVER honor an insurance claim for a box packed as ****-poor as that one was......
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Old Sep 2, 2008 | 09:09 PM
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Originally Posted by GoodfellaFD3S
Wrong again. No shipping carrier in it's right mind would EVER honor an insurance claim for a box packed as ****-poor as that one was......

I ship items from Sears and UPS really abuse the boxes.

I do agree the box should have been packaged better.

I always tell people to always do sig confirmation...if the box looks beat up...dont except it.
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Old Sep 2, 2008 | 10:19 PM
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Yeah, packing rotors like crazy **** is a no-brainer, they'll shift and shimmy like mad in transit. It's the sellers fault for not ensuring they were secure/safely packaged before being turned over to the shipping company.
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Old Sep 3, 2008 | 03:27 PM
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wow u guys should really see the packadge again .. it did have double cardboard and styrofoam on the corners . i made sure the box was just big enough so that the wouldnt move around .

and i was willing to refund him his 204 .. but he couldnt wait . and trying to give me a deadline ?! wtf ..

the packaging was fine . and next time i ship sumthing ill get retard to ship it for me . since OVIOUSLY u guys think they can do better .
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Old Sep 4, 2008 | 03:43 PM
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"Double cardboard" on the corners, plastic wrap (are those trashbags?), and random chunks of styrofoam won't really do much against two heavy rotors and intertia. I find it hard to believe that your packing job would have kept anything secure.

Good luck getting anyone else to buy from you on this forum after having a glimpse of your "packing"--seeing as you're more concerned with $54 dollars and your pride rather than acknowledging a mistake and doing the right thing.
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Old Sep 5, 2008 | 06:54 AM
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The purpose of packing is to make sure the stuff in the box DOES NOT MOVE...not to give it something soft to bang up against once it does.
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Old Sep 5, 2008 | 02:04 PM
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if anyone one read the post i was willing to refund full price . he couldnt wait . so there . ill make sure to sell anything to anyone any more .
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Old Sep 5, 2008 | 08:37 PM
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Originally Posted by ls1oo7
so there . ill make sure to sell anything to anyone any more .

You fail at packing...and simple grammar.....
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Old Sep 5, 2008 | 11:44 PM
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Originally Posted by ls1oo7
wow u guys should really see the packadge again .. it did have double cardboard and styrofoam on the corners . i made sure the box was just big enough so that the wouldnt move around .

and i was willing to refund him his 204 .. but he couldnt wait . and trying to give me a deadline ?! wtf ..

the packaging was fine . and next time i ship sumthing ill get retard to ship it for me . since OVIOUSLY u guys think they can do better .
I wasn't willing to wait "a bit" as you put it. Would I ask to buy something from you, and tell you I'll get you the payment in "a bit"? Did I wait "a bit" to paypal you for the items I was to receive? no. And being that you screwed up, and that this is clearly your fault, I didn't feel it was fair for me to wait.

Originally Posted by ls1oo7
if anyone one read the post i was willing to refund full price . he couldnt wait . so there . ill make sure to sell anything to anyone any more .
Actually, you were only willing to refund in full if I was to pay for shipping to return them to you. So I was supposed to spend another $50 to send them back to you, hoping for a refund? All of this because you didn't properly ship my items? And where was the double cardboard dude? Was it invisible? Oh and btw, 8 pieces of styrofoam does not count as proper packing. I don't think so bud. I hope your potential future buyers will look over this thread to see your carelesness. I'll do everything I can to make sure of that.

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Old Sep 6, 2008 | 11:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Trots*88TII-AE*
I wasn't willing to wait "a bit" as you put it. Would I ask to buy something from you, and tell you I'll get you the payment in "a bit"? Did I wait "a bit" to paypal you for the items I was to receive?

Unrelated to your thread, BUT People actually do that ALL the time!!!
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Old Sep 13, 2008 | 04:24 PM
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Originally Posted by GoodfellaFD3S
Wrong, it's your FAULT that the rotors arrived like that. That was a horrible packing job, and those rotors were doomed before they ever left your hands.

You need to refund the buyer every dollar that he spent, period. .
DAMN STRAIGHT!!! Just package things being shipped better
...................................and this isnt anything against the seller ,just the situation if it went down like he said

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