I need advice from some clear thinking people.

I have a situation that has been bothering me for several months.

I thought I could just right it off as a bad experience, let it go and learn something positive from it; but, so far, I have been unable to let it go and I'm unsure what to do to keep it from continuing to fester. Each day the issue surfaces in my thoughts. I would like to find a resolution different from doing nothing and feeling ripped off.

Early this year, I bought a wide-body first gen RX7 from another forum member, joemaddox.

joemaddox displayed to me an inconsistency, expressed in a PM he sent me after I said I would buy the wide-body from him.

The day or the day after I said I would buy it, joemaddox sent me the following PM. It was unsettling to me that one would put up the wide-body for sale then, when it sells, one would then try to cancel the deal. This mercurial position of needing to sell it and then not needing to sell, was disturbing and perhaps should have set off my inner alarm, but it didn't.


I told him I wanted to buy it.

When I went to pick it up, I paid him $500.

We talked and he agreed to make the body perfect for an additional $500 (for a total price of $1000.00). The second $500 was to be paid to him when he finished the body work. He agreed to have it finished by the end of the month. The end of the month came and went. I figured he was overestimating his ability to finish it by the end of the month, so I said nothing to him. I believed he was working at his own pace and I did not want to pressure him into finishing it before it was perfect. Perhaps I should have spent more time actively monitoring his progress but I HATE to be micromanaged and so I did not bug him when January ended and he gave me no indication that he had finished. I had a couple of months of flexibility built into my project schedule for the wide-body and I figured I could wait a little longer than I had anticipated (and originally scheduled) for him to do what he said he would do.

His next PM sounds like he has not started on the body work and didn't plan to until the end of summer. It also sounds like he's no longer going to have a shop to do the work in.









joemaddox puts the wide-body kit back up for sale on the forum.

The asking price starts at $500 and quickly drops.

This thought presented itself to me: Buy the wide-body again at his new asking price of $250. There was financial gain to be had, but it was a bit too much like Wall Street; greedy. I let it pass and someone else bought the wide-body.

Weeks pass.

(Note to readers: My personal address information is not shown now for privacy reasons, but it was there to be seen by him).



After re-reading his PM's about setting up a payment plan and him selling the wide-body; I am left feeling that we have reached a conclusion and resolution to the issue. Perhaps not the solution either one of us would have initially chosen but one which we had consensus on and one which we could both live with. That is until he sends me the PM which reaches conclusions that I find hard to follow or accept.


I send the following to him a few days ago.

No reply from joemaddox yet.

If one can offer constructive advice, to help me figure out what to do to resolve this situation, please do so.

I am not interested in a mud slinging contest.

joemaddox may have many good qualities but are they of any real significance to the issue? I say no.
I may have many good qualities but are they of any real significance to the issue? I say no.

joemaddox may have his not so good qualities but are they of any real significance to the issue? I say no.
I may have my not so good qualities but are they of any real significance to the issue? I say no.

The issue, to me, is this:
joemaddox took my $500;
joemaddox agreed to repay me $500;
joemaddox has repaid nothing of the $500.

The resolution, to me, is this:
joemaddox should repay the $500..

 

you too really need to talk.........this has gone really balistic,,,,,,,,,,maybe a phone chat can come to an agreement?

 

You both have great reps, if you look at trader scores... By posting it I assume you are verifying what Joe says about the previous issue with the engine and the money you refused to give back?

I'm no judge, but the facts I'd weigh if I WERE one.... Previous issue of the engine money, your lack of setting any kind of deadline or contacting him about a deadline, your not contacting him about getting the car back as well as his not contacting you by phone to come get it, and the labor (verifyable?) done installing the rear end.

It's too bad it's gotten this bad and it's started a s-storm, but it looks damn near a wash to me.

 

As I was reading the entire thread, I thought you were correct, untill I read the above paragraph. If anything, I think he owes you $500 - the $$$ he lost on the engine deal that he backed out of (money that you kept)

 

yeah, but the labor on the engine was offered for free. The labor on the car's rear end wasn't. Have to figure that in as well.

 

i think you guys should talk and get into a aggrement that would benefit both party make sure there is a third person present.

i have bought many parts from joe without any issues.

 

first off, I have repeatedly asked Joe for proof of the engine deal. He is either unwilling or unable to provide it. So as far as I am concerned, I cannot consider that as part of this deal because there is no proof of it even happening.

Second, Joe specifically promised to repay the $500 in this deal. If someone owed me money, I wouldnt be promising to pay them anything.....just food for thought.

Third, Joe has me concerned because his story keeps changing. Case in point--I asked if he has any PMs or threads about the engine deal. He said to me that it is his habit to delete PMs at the end of each week. But in a thread in the regional section, he claimed that he deleted the PMs only when he decided to let the whole issue go. When I asked him why the two stories, he flat-out denied ever saying that he "deletes his PMs each week" and even challenged me to post his quote where he told me this. It is just a detail to be sure, but if someone cannot be honest with me about the details, it makes me have to ask what else they are not being honest about.

Another thing--even if you consider this engine deal, there is a big difference between the two. Joe says he backed out of a deal and didnt get his money back. But Bob didnt merely back out of a deal.....there was an agreement between the two that Joe would perform body work on the car. Joe failed to keep his promise there--he broke the agreement. At that point, Joe wanted to talk about charging four months worth of storage fees--which is simply ridiculous because JOE was the reason that the car sat in his shop for those four months. Joe had promised to deliver something and he had not even started on the work. When you take your car to ANY shop, and four months later they have not even started on the work, that shop is NOT within their rights to keep your money. Think about that, folks.

In the meantime, Joe has officially decided that he is done with this matter. so there wont be any "getting together to work it out" because he has refused to do so.

 

Since this is obviously not being dropped no matter what i tell you. I will say this and then WILL NOT BE RESPONDING TO THIS THREAD EVER AGAIN!

The engine was not part of this deal. The fact that he holds the meets and (ath the time) was the only person i knew in OR with a engine builder i took it in the butt and decided to still work with him since he wanted to.Thus why a second deal (this deal) was made..

Fact of the matter is this.. He bought a car, and never came and picked it up after i told him to.. The body work was a deal outside of the buying of the car and was never fully planned or put in motion, thus it is nothing to be even discussed.

So i am not in any wrong other than (after he abandoned the car he bought by making it clear he was not going to get it when i told him he had to come pick it up then putting a deadline on time it had to be gone) telling him i will pay him back for backing out of the deal.. Then after some bs from him about the quickness of it being paid off (that was sold for 200.00 with delivery that took over 150 of it to n washington to get the needed 50 monthly payment) i then took into consideration how i was treated and weighed that against how much i care about the need for his engine builder and decided this crap is not worth it and will burn my first and only bridge in this community..

Note: burning this bridge has nothing to do with money, its ALL ABOUT THE PRINCIPLE OF HOW THIS MAN WORKS.. I have had many transactions for well more than this amount and every person has been satisfied so in that i am shown as i am....

There will be no working anything out with this, i am not ever planning on speaking with hoofhearted again so the matter to me is dead. This is the extent of how much he has rubbed me the wrong way to many times now. Fool me once shame on me, fool me twice.........

And last.... Stop posting one sided opinions please..... Its clear from even bob acknowledging and not denying the previous deals existance through my pm's that in itself it proof.. And have you even asked him about it?

So..That is all i have on this matter, i understand its a public thread and will be commented on further but i have said everything i feel i need to...

*dropped, and walked away*

 

wow...so, this is only about the twentieth time you have "dropped this issue and walked away".

When I said I cannot consider the engine as part of this, I was referring to the fact that youre trying to say you no longer owe this money BECAUSE of that engine. And once again, where is your proof? I dont know either of you, so I cannot be expected to take your word for it without proof! He provided proof--and you substantiated his proof when you admitted that you did promise to pay him back!

Anyways, Bob did NOT acknowledge the engine at all. he posted the PM that you sent to him. That is the one and only mention of it--he didnt even comment on it in any way, so lets stop pretending that he did so. So far, I have not seen or heard anything about this engine deal--except from you. No one else here, Bob included, has said one word about it, and the other guy that you said had personal knowledge of it even told me that he has no knowledge of it. So, what exactly am I to believe? Bob, who posts proof of you admitting you owe him the $500 and agreeing to pay it back, or you, who has only offered your own say-so with nothing to back it up?

At the end of the day, you gave your word that you would pay this man his money back. THAT is what I have based this decision on to not drop this issue. If you had not done that, it would tell me that you didnt honestly feel that you needed to pay it back. BUT YOU DID DO IT...so somewhere along the way, you felt that you needed to do that. It was only AFTER you got mad at him demanding that you pay him back, that all of a sudden we see mention of this previous deal. Where was this engine deal the whole four months prior to that??? You didnt mention it ONCE...and only when youre in the hot seat did it finally beocme an issue.

Like I said earlier, you promised to pay him back. You wouldnt have done that unless you knew it was the thing to do. It still is the thing to do--unless you can provide proof of your claims. It's simple, really--you have repeatedly been asked to provide such proof. You have not done so, and yet you constantly want to run around acting like I am biased against you. WHAT THE HELL DO YOU EXPECT--YOU HAVE NO PROOF AT ALL THAT BOB TOOK MONEY FROM YOU AND WOULDNT REPAY IT! I have given you EVERY OPPORTUNITY to show what has happened, and NOT ONCE did you provide ANYTHING to back it up! And dont even get me started on how you lied about the PMs, then went as far as to challenge me, implying that I was the one being dishonest.....

As for the car, he didnt abandon it. He left it in your possession because you promised to do work in it. Work that you never started. You then tried to charge him for four months of storage fees--even though YOU were the reason the car was still in your shop! And THEN, you told him "come get your car". That is not enough for you to call it abandoned.....I proved this to you also, go read your state laws.

EDIT--and THEN, even after you told us earlier that "you didnt need to sell here" and "you would stick to craigslist to sell parts from now on", you create a new account, which is against the rules here, and then you try to sell more parts! So, PLEASE, DO TELL....why is it again that I should believe youre being honest when you are showing all of these dishonest actions????

PROOF.....try getting some.

 

And to top it all off, as if there wasnt enough already, I just got a PM from another one of our members that informed me that he had a bad deal with joe also, and that it took a paypal dispute to get his money refunded......I asked for proof of this, and will update when I get done looking through it all. More to follow.

 

That was my wife jerk. Now who is assuming.. she has an rx7 as well... She has account as well... Well, not anymore you guys kicked her off fast enough....

But kick the hell out of this dead horse man!!!

My trader score speaks for itself... All who deal with me are happy, and when they are not i make it right, no matter if it is or not.. Some people are quick to jump on diputes before talking. But i have never been dishonest and i have never taken a dime..... I give to all what i get.

As to this threads topic......... nah, im still done....

You can stop the harassment now, its just getting old...

 

um, yeah, right.....it was your wife, who has an RX7 too...but the account just so happened to be created THIS MONTH. Join date December 1, 2010.....and not only that, but you immediately go for the ten posts and then you try to sell something. Dont try to play this game--you agreed not to sell anything here, and then you pull this stunt. Your wife has an RX7 and she just so happened to decide two days ago that she suddenly wanted to join this forum and sell parts right after you happened to be told that you couldnt sell parts here anymore.....riiiiight.....

I was born in the morning, but it wasnt yesterday morning.

As for "I always make it right", sorry, that isnt true either. After seeing how you tried to deny responsibility for a damaged shipment of parts and blame the BUYER for not requesting that you add insurance, and then how he had to dispute with paypal to get his money back, I can see how you "always make it right". As for the insulting, watch yourself....I've let a lot slide with you already, it will NOT happen again. Check yourself before you find yourself removed from this forum. This was already covered in sufficient detail in the NW section thread, so I expect that you know better by now.

EDIT--another thing, get rid of the selling descriptions in your sig. NOW. For someone who decided on his own that he didnt need to sell parts on this forum, you sure are spending a LOT of time and effort to try to do just that. You know what, forget it--have a vacation. I am sick to hell of you trying to get around the rules of this forum. We arent here to babysit, and you should be a grown man, enough to know how to follow simple instructions. When you come back, we will discuss whether or not this ban needs to be made permanent.

 

lol i was wondering why he never pm'd me back about buying my engine harness

 

That's a lot of sales for a guy just getting rid of spare parts.

Thread closed.

Mario III, SuperModerator

 

sorry i might be a bit behind on the rules, but do they state that youre not allowed to sell so much stuff on here? im not trying to stir anything up, but rather just trying to figure out why you would say a comment like this.

 

I am not sure how this thread got reopened, but it was locked. I will lock it again. As for your question, the forum requires that anyone who sells over a certain amount of items per month here be signed up as a forum vendor. This is, after all, free advertising otherwise, and for someone to sell that much stuff, they are basically profiting at the forum's expense. Many people dont think about this, but a forum doesnt run itself. There is a cost involved.

 

EXACTLY!

Sorry, rollr, I opened it back up because there was another member who needed to tell his story on how joe t-boned him and I didn't think another thread on bad guy joemaddox would be any better than this one as far as the thread crapping goes.

So, do we open this one back up so the stories can get told and edit out all replies not involved directly or start merging all the joe threads into one?

 

sure, tell him to post on this one....