Jason/Hwnd - Issues with seller, still pending resolution
08-10-10, 04:11 PM
#1
Jason/Hwnd - Issues with seller, still pending resolution
Yes, its sad - but it seems even long standing members have caught the 'scammer bug'. Not sure if it's the economy, malcontent or just plain ignorance, but I'm am in the midst of being scammed by Hwnd.
Just so we all know who we are talking about here, 'hwnd' on the forums, from Tulsa OK with the 3Rotor FD.
Before I get into this let it be known, I took this issue up with the seller and mods via private messages (about 3 weeks worth) before putting together this post. After a severe lack of action from Hwnd, I decided this would be my next best course of action.
I should mention, Rich (GoodfellsFD3s) has been fantastic - and although this is totally out of his control, he didn't hesitate to help where he could. If needed, I'm sure he can confirm all this.
The quick and dirty is this:
1) hwnd offered to sell me a "mint" Spirit R wheel for $400 - I paid no problem.
2) hwnd sent me a damaged Spirit-R wheel instead.
3) When I asked him why the difference, he told me I knew it was damaged.
4) When I referenced PMs of him saying it was 'perfect' he blamed it on a "misunderstanding" because he had two Spirit R wheels for sale.
5) I offered to pay the difference in price between his 'perfect' wheel and the one I got - but he refused.
6) He told me to send it back for a refund, which I did.
7) The wheel sat at the Post Office for over a week, and Jason has had the wheel in his possession for over 5 days without issuing a refund.
8) Jason has not answered a PM, IM or e-mail in over two weeks.
What I want is a refund of $400 for the wheel I returned. (What I really want is a mint Spirit-R Wheel)
The wheel I was sent from the the get go was the wrong wheel (admitted by seller, Hwnd), and every attempt I made to make the situation 'right' was met by extremely immature and unprofessional responses from hwnd.
This not only reflects poorly on Hwnd, but IMO, tarnishes other 'JDM Importers' that bring in hard to find goods and sell them in the 'For Sale' sections.
So let this be a warning - If you are considering buying from Hwnd - Be careful. If you buy a Spirit-R Steering Wheel from him, consider it stolen goods.
PMs to follow.
Just so we all know who we are talking about here, 'hwnd' on the forums, from Tulsa OK with the 3Rotor FD.
Before I get into this let it be known, I took this issue up with the seller and mods via private messages (about 3 weeks worth) before putting together this post. After a severe lack of action from Hwnd, I decided this would be my next best course of action.
I should mention, Rich (GoodfellsFD3s) has been fantastic - and although this is totally out of his control, he didn't hesitate to help where he could. If needed, I'm sure he can confirm all this.
The quick and dirty is this:
1) hwnd offered to sell me a "mint" Spirit R wheel for $400 - I paid no problem.
2) hwnd sent me a damaged Spirit-R wheel instead.
3) When I asked him why the difference, he told me I knew it was damaged.
4) When I referenced PMs of him saying it was 'perfect' he blamed it on a "misunderstanding" because he had two Spirit R wheels for sale.
5) I offered to pay the difference in price between his 'perfect' wheel and the one I got - but he refused.
6) He told me to send it back for a refund, which I did.
7) The wheel sat at the Post Office for over a week, and Jason has had the wheel in his possession for over 5 days without issuing a refund.
8) Jason has not answered a PM, IM or e-mail in over two weeks.
What I want is a refund of $400 for the wheel I returned. (What I really want is a mint Spirit-R Wheel)
The wheel I was sent from the the get go was the wrong wheel (admitted by seller, Hwnd), and every attempt I made to make the situation 'right' was met by extremely immature and unprofessional responses from hwnd.
This not only reflects poorly on Hwnd, but IMO, tarnishes other 'JDM Importers' that bring in hard to find goods and sell them in the 'For Sale' sections.
So let this be a warning - If you are considering buying from Hwnd - Be careful. If you buy a Spirit-R Steering Wheel from him, consider it stolen goods.
PMs to follow.
Last edited by mazdaverx713b; 10-31-18 at 05:39 AM.
08-10-10, 04:16 PM
#2
Round 1
These PMs are from my initial back and forth with Jason regarding the purchase of the wheel and the back and forth after I got the damaged wheel.
On July 1, I got a PM reply from 'hwnd' about a Spirit-R steering wheel he had for sale. It read:
I have two, one is in perfect shape and the other is worn (typical wear, nothing major stands out).
My asking prices are $600 & $500 - these are from 01-02 model.
-Jason
'Cool' I thought. A perfect Spirit R wheel, just what I was looking for. After doing a bit more research (install, airbags, cruise) and checking the PayPal account, I decided I would make an offer - but should get some pics / confirm some things (airbag) first.
I have them in route but currently, no, they're being sold without.
I'll only have one left at that point. I'm keeping one for myself and selling the other.
This is probably the cheapest way into the S-R wheel (w/o air bag).. other bags from different models fit these wheels (even share the same p/n) :-)
Hmmm... buying without pictures? Big no-no. BUT, he did say he had a perfect one and hwdn has good feedback. I better be safe and buy the perfect one.
Hmmm... Well I hate to make an offer on something I haven't seen... I get the fact that other airbags will work. But a new Flying M will cost $500ish. I've seen some wheels complete for around $800... If you could do the better of the two wheels for $400, I would take it.
-M
Hmm.. $400. Yeah I think I could accept that for the wheel.
The air bags (at least I haven't) bought used for about $100 - $200 (pending sellers) from eBay.
If you'd like the wheel, paypal me at EMAIL REMOVED
either mark the payment as "payment owed" or add the fee's (total: $414.26).
I can send it tomorrow via USPS Priority.
Most of my Spirit-R stuff was meant to go on my car. Just so happens they (Japan buddy's) found me two wheels. Supernaut can vouch for the condition of my past spirit-r parts.. they're all in pretty good shape considering their age. meaning, no holes, stains, broken plastic, etc.
-Jason
Now note, 'the better of the two wheels' is the 'perfect' one. I don't see how it can be anything but that.
The wheel takes a while to ship, and that's ok. It's a holiday weekend after all. I don't bother him, and finally the wheel shows up. I don't have time to open and marvel at it right away, so it sits with the rest of my boxes. I finally open it up and... meh.
http://lh5.ggpht.com/_Ks81mED1kJQ/TE...0/IMGP1475.JPG
http://lh4.ggpht.com/_Ks81mED1kJQ/TE...0/IMGP1476.JPG
http://lh5.ggpht.com/_Ks81mED1kJQ/TE...0/IMGP1480.JPG
Nardi logo is dented/scratched. There is wear from 2-4 o'clock. The stitching is mostly pink (faded) and dirty.
I then jump on the forums and see this:
https://www.rx7club.com/3rd-generation-rx-7-1993-2002-parts-99/spirit-r-steering-wheel-awesome-shape-913178/
What? hwnd is selling ANOTHER Spirit-R steering wheel? A perfect one, for the same asking price, but WITH an airbag? How can this be?
I post on the thread, then decide to take it to PMs. I tell him the following:
He responds with the following:
1) No, I didn't know the wheels was worn, I knew it was "in perfect shape"
2) I opted for "the better of the two wheels"
3) Ok. This 'one' wasn't avaiable. But now you just happen to have another that fits the description of what you were supposed to send me.
4) No I don't feel I paid to much. I feel I didn't get what I was sold
5) A little cheated, sure, but I have no problem making an arrangement to send this one back and get that one. I would even pay a bit of difference in cost just to get what I was after (although, I still feel I should have been sent a 'perfect' wheel).
So I write him back... and at this point CC a few mods (PMs sent to mods also have the highlights of this post in them to give them an understanding of the situation).
No, you're not laying claim on my **** like this.
I have told you already, this wheel was *not* included in the two mentioned to you initially. do you understand that? This wheel was on my car - was not for resell at the time.
Both wheels were sold within roughly a week of one another. You are *not* going to include a better part because you feel as if you didn't get the "best deal", Thats exactly what I think you're doing. I think you saw the current wheel and said "daammn thats better than mine - man I wanted that one.. not this one!!".. and now here we are.
You are *not* getting your hands on this wheel unless you pay for it. I'm not giving it to you at all. You've bought you wheel and waited to complain about it? ..yeah sure you did - as soon as you saw there was a better one. nice move :-\
You're the only guy to have caused me any problems in years I've been here. I think you have completely misunderstood and now want something better. Buy this one and sell your current one if you want something better - just dont try and lay some claim as if you had it already.
-Jason
Seriously? That seems a little extreme.
I am not looking to screw anyone over. I have no problem swapping wheel for wheel (not airbags). I'm a 30 year old guy, I'm not trying to screw anyone over, not trying to "lay claim" to anyone's "****" and I'm not saying "daaaaamn - I gots to get me that".
I just want to get what I feel I originally bought.
To top it all off. hwnd decides to CLOSE his for sale thread an hour after his last bump - but AFTER getting my PMs. Probably trying to keep all this from coming out on his for sale thread.
Additionally, if you do the math, I don't see how I'm even getting a "best deal"...
$400 for banged up Spirit R Wheel (should have been perfect)
+
$150 for Miata Steering AirBag off eBay
=
$550
hwnd is selling this one for $600, difference of $50 - where is the 'best deal'?
I'm not trying to screw him or make him look bad, but I feel I have a legit claim and want to get it resolved.
On July 1, I got a PM reply from 'hwnd' about a Spirit-R steering wheel he had for sale. It read:
Originally Posted by hwnd
Originally Posted by MattGold
You still have that Spirit R Wheel?
What's your asking price on it?
-M
What's your asking price on it?
-M
My asking prices are $600 & $500 - these are from 01-02 model.
-Jason
Originally Posted by hwnd
Originally Posted by MattGold
If you could send me pictures, I would be interested in seeing the amount of wear we're talking about here.
xxxxx
I assume neither has an airbag, correct?
Thanks!
-M
xxxxx
I assume neither has an airbag, correct?
Thanks!
-M
I'll only have one left at that point. I'm keeping one for myself and selling the other.
This is probably the cheapest way into the S-R wheel (w/o air bag).. other bags from different models fit these wheels (even share the same p/n) :-)
Hmmm... buying without pictures? Big no-no. BUT, he did say he had a perfect one and hwdn has good feedback. I better be safe and buy the perfect one.
Originally Posted by hwnd
Originally Posted by MattGold
Hmmm... Well I hate to make an offer on something I haven't seen... I get the fact that other airbags will work. But a new Flying M will cost $500ish. I've seen some wheels complete for around $800... If you could do the better of the two wheels for $400, I would take it.
-M
The air bags (at least I haven't) bought used for about $100 - $200 (pending sellers) from eBay.
If you'd like the wheel, paypal me at EMAIL REMOVED
either mark the payment as "payment owed" or add the fee's (total: $414.26).
I can send it tomorrow via USPS Priority.
Most of my Spirit-R stuff was meant to go on my car. Just so happens they (Japan buddy's) found me two wheels. Supernaut can vouch for the condition of my past spirit-r parts.. they're all in pretty good shape considering their age. meaning, no holes, stains, broken plastic, etc.
-Jason
Now note, 'the better of the two wheels' is the 'perfect' one. I don't see how it can be anything but that.
The wheel takes a while to ship, and that's ok. It's a holiday weekend after all. I don't bother him, and finally the wheel shows up. I don't have time to open and marvel at it right away, so it sits with the rest of my boxes. I finally open it up and... meh.
http://lh5.ggpht.com/_Ks81mED1kJQ/TE...0/IMGP1475.JPG
http://lh4.ggpht.com/_Ks81mED1kJQ/TE...0/IMGP1476.JPG
http://lh5.ggpht.com/_Ks81mED1kJQ/TE...0/IMGP1480.JPG
Nardi logo is dented/scratched. There is wear from 2-4 o'clock. The stitching is mostly pink (faded) and dirty.
I then jump on the forums and see this:
https://www.rx7club.com/3rd-generation-rx-7-1993-2002-parts-99/spirit-r-steering-wheel-awesome-shape-913178/
What? hwnd is selling ANOTHER Spirit-R steering wheel? A perfect one, for the same asking price, but WITH an airbag? How can this be?
I post on the thread, then decide to take it to PMs. I tell him the following:
Originally Posted by MattGold
Hey Jason,
Can I level with ya on something? That Spirit R wheel you sold me is pretty banged up.
Peeling on the right hand-upper side of the wheel. Dented/scratched Nardi logo. Faded stitching.
When you offered it to me you said you had two, one in good condition ($600), one in bad condition ($500). Both without airbags. I made an offer for the good one, and you said ok. I paid, no problems, it took you a while to ship, I didn't fuss.
But now I see you have a practically perfect wheel for sale, for *basically* the same price I paid for mine (+buying an airbag from somewhere else). What gives?
I'm kinda chapped and seeing that FS post just rubs salt in the wounds. My honest thought is, you sold me the crappier of the two and now are selling the better of the two (which you were supposed to sell to me).
I would much rather have the wheel you are offering, but have no need for the one I have. Can we work out a swap of some sort?
-M
Can I level with ya on something? That Spirit R wheel you sold me is pretty banged up.
Peeling on the right hand-upper side of the wheel. Dented/scratched Nardi logo. Faded stitching.
When you offered it to me you said you had two, one in good condition ($600), one in bad condition ($500). Both without airbags. I made an offer for the good one, and you said ok. I paid, no problems, it took you a while to ship, I didn't fuss.
But now I see you have a practically perfect wheel for sale, for *basically* the same price I paid for mine (+buying an airbag from somewhere else). What gives?
I'm kinda chapped and seeing that FS post just rubs salt in the wounds. My honest thought is, you sold me the crappier of the two and now are selling the better of the two (which you were supposed to sell to me).
I would much rather have the wheel you are offering, but have no need for the one I have. Can we work out a swap of some sort?
-M
Originally Posted by hwnd
Sorry mate, you knew the wheel was worn. I even told you it was worn. You opt'ed for the one you have - I didn't force it on you. It's typical wear for the 6 or 7 Spirit-R wheels that I've had.
You're 100% right, I do have a `near perfect` wheel for sale. It was not available when we initially discussed. It is now. I'm sorry you feel the wheel is not up to your standards of "worn" but in all of the parts I've brought over (more Spirit-R than anything else).. its really not that bad - its typical in fact. Now the other plastic wheels will always look better.. because they're rubber/plastic - not leather wrapped. I'm sorry if you feel that you paid too much, however, you'll likely not see them much at all after 2010; It's getting very hard to pull these parts from JP.
You're always welcome to source your own air bag (as you said you would) and resell the wheel. I'm sure this one I have up for sale no will be gone by then but there might be more Spirit-R stuff going up for sale over the next few months.
If you feel cheated or ripped off, we can surely address some of the senior admins on the board and poll them for their thoughts. I'm more than happy to listen to some type of an arrangement you have in mind that would make you happy, what might that be?
-Jason
You're 100% right, I do have a `near perfect` wheel for sale. It was not available when we initially discussed. It is now. I'm sorry you feel the wheel is not up to your standards of "worn" but in all of the parts I've brought over (more Spirit-R than anything else).. its really not that bad - its typical in fact. Now the other plastic wheels will always look better.. because they're rubber/plastic - not leather wrapped. I'm sorry if you feel that you paid too much, however, you'll likely not see them much at all after 2010; It's getting very hard to pull these parts from JP.
You're always welcome to source your own air bag (as you said you would) and resell the wheel. I'm sure this one I have up for sale no will be gone by then but there might be more Spirit-R stuff going up for sale over the next few months.
If you feel cheated or ripped off, we can surely address some of the senior admins on the board and poll them for their thoughts. I'm more than happy to listen to some type of an arrangement you have in mind that would make you happy, what might that be?
-Jason
2) I opted for "the better of the two wheels"
3) Ok. This 'one' wasn't avaiable. But now you just happen to have another that fits the description of what you were supposed to send me.
4) No I don't feel I paid to much. I feel I didn't get what I was sold
5) A little cheated, sure, but I have no problem making an arrangement to send this one back and get that one. I would even pay a bit of difference in cost just to get what I was after (although, I still feel I should have been sent a 'perfect' wheel).
So I write him back... and at this point CC a few mods (PMs sent to mods also have the highlights of this post in them to give them an understanding of the situation).
Originally Posted by hwnd
Originally Posted by MattGold
As for resolution: I think the only fair thing to do is for me to send you this back and you send me that one. THAT is the one I paid for.
-M
-M
I have told you already, this wheel was *not* included in the two mentioned to you initially. do you understand that? This wheel was on my car - was not for resell at the time.
Both wheels were sold within roughly a week of one another. You are *not* going to include a better part because you feel as if you didn't get the "best deal", Thats exactly what I think you're doing. I think you saw the current wheel and said "daammn thats better than mine - man I wanted that one.. not this one!!".. and now here we are.
You are *not* getting your hands on this wheel unless you pay for it. I'm not giving it to you at all. You've bought you wheel and waited to complain about it? ..yeah sure you did - as soon as you saw there was a better one. nice move :-\
You're the only guy to have caused me any problems in years I've been here. I think you have completely misunderstood and now want something better. Buy this one and sell your current one if you want something better - just dont try and lay some claim as if you had it already.
-Jason
Seriously? That seems a little extreme.
I am not looking to screw anyone over. I have no problem swapping wheel for wheel (not airbags). I'm a 30 year old guy, I'm not trying to screw anyone over, not trying to "lay claim" to anyone's "****" and I'm not saying "daaaaamn - I gots to get me that".
I just want to get what I feel I originally bought.
To top it all off. hwnd decides to CLOSE his for sale thread an hour after his last bump - but AFTER getting my PMs. Probably trying to keep all this from coming out on his for sale thread.
Additionally, if you do the math, I don't see how I'm even getting a "best deal"...
$400 for banged up Spirit R Wheel (should have been perfect)
+
$150 for Miata Steering AirBag off eBay
=
$550
hwnd is selling this one for $600, difference of $50 - where is the 'best deal'?
I'm not trying to screw him or make him look bad, but I feel I have a legit claim and want to get it resolved.
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08-10-10, 04:49 PM
#3
Round 2
Here is where I try to reach some resolution, but Jason is pretty uninterested.
No, I'm not giving you this wheel for $400... Even the mods/admins thought the worn wheel was sold too cheap (though some of them are good friends, they can't side with me but only state their thoughts on the sale).
We all can agree that there was a disconnect in the PM's as I clearly thought we agreed on the worn wheel (hell consider the price!).
The wheel I have currently would bring $700+ (look around at the other threads by other JP importers.. ) so with that in mind, I figured you knew $400 was way more than a low-ball offer for a great shape wheel. $400 is a damn good deal for the one you have - let alone for a one without wear.
Only if you knew what it takes to get those parts here and the cost of buying them.
I paid more for the one I have now than you did for the one you have - simply put, you're not getting it for $400 - no way.
you can drag my name through the mud, call me all sorts of names, w/e ya like but it would be overly stupid of me to give you this current wheel for the one you have.
It just isn't going to happen.
The options I'm willing to live with is you buying this one or a refund - thats it.
I honestly thought you were after the wheel with wear given the offered price.. no one would sell these wheels in good shape w/o air bags for $400 - no way.
Might as well just give 'em away. In fact I believe I paid $360 for the one you have. ..nevermind the 4 month wait to get it and the 8 month wait to even find one.
anyhow, if you have something better in mind, i'm all ears.
So I asked to swap wheel for wheel as that what I was initially under the impression I bought. That seemed to pinch a nerve, so 'ok' I thought 'make a reasonable offer and let's get this settled'.
Hey Jason,
We seem to be bouncing between PMs and e-mails - but not reaching a solution.
When we initially did the deal I paid you the same day, you took 11 days to ship - I didn't bother you.
You told me the wheel should arrive on Monday, but you didn't actually ship until Monday - I didn't complain.
You messed up (misunderstood?) and tried putting some blame on me and accused me of trying to pull one over on you - I kept a level head.
*I* am hunting for a solution on this - and *YOU* are being unresponsive. What's the deal? I know you aren't a vendor on here and don't need to live to any standard, but I think some level of customer service is needed here.
I offered to return this wheel and buy the wheel you had WITHOUT airbag for another $100. To me, I can't see how that's unfair.
You sold me a shitty wheel for $400, I paid $150 for an airbag off eBay, AND I'm paying you another $100 for this wheel. I'm in for $650 - WHICH IS $50 MORE THEN THE ONE YOU ARE SELLING.
So what is the problem here? To be perfectly honest, I just want to get this done and put behind me so I never have to deal with it again.
So please tell me - how do we move forward on this?
-M
Send it back for a refund. thats all i'm willing to do..
Really? How's the for customer service. He misunderstood, he shipped the wrong thing, I tried to resolve it and he decides he's not gonna lift a finger. Ooooook. Well maybe I can give it another shot, after all, I *do* want a Spirit-R wheel. Maybe I should try and clarify this a bit.
I dont care man what you think.. I dont want you to have my personal wheel.
Someone did PM me asking for one - I sent them in your direction for a worn wheel.. which they seemed to want.
Send it back and get a refund - I'm not sending you any money without having the wheel here.
You know - throw some black leather dye on the worn spots and resell it for more money.
So now Jason is giving me business advice on how to flip wheels to unsuspecting members. Not only that, Jason's personal wheel now has some sentimental value and he doesn't want me to have it. What is going on - am I in the freakin' Twilight Zone now?
As for asking for the money up front - ok - that was a bit pie in the sky, but worth a shot as he seems to be a bit unreasonable. We go back and forth a bit, I try to get him to pay for the return shipping ($20) because after all, the only reason I have to incur that cost is because HE messed up from the get go.
What Jason is referring to is a PM I sent to GoodfellaFD3S regarding the lack of accountability some of these guys selling on the forums has. Not exactly meant to be shared with Jason, but oh well - nothing scathing.
In response to my request for reimbursement on the wheel Jason replies:
What follows is me sending the wheel then NEVER HEARING FROM JASON AGAIN.
Originally Posted by jason.hwnd@gmail.com
Originally Posted by MattGold
Hey Jason,
Just wondering if you've had any time to think over our situation.
To reiterate, I'm really not trying to screw you over or get some amazing deal. What I would like is a mint/near-mint Spirit-R wheel, which I honestly though I originally bought from you.
If I can send you back this wheel, and you send me back the wheel you have (not airbags, just wheels) I would be happy.
I'm really not sure where this went wrong. Maybe you sent me the wrong wheel (worn) and sent the other guy the perfect wheel. Maybe you didn't mean to say one was mint. Maybe you thought I wanted the worn one - I don't know.
But if you review our PMs - I think things were pretty clear. If you want to call, my number is XXX-XXX-XXXX.
-Matt
Just wondering if you've had any time to think over our situation.
To reiterate, I'm really not trying to screw you over or get some amazing deal. What I would like is a mint/near-mint Spirit-R wheel, which I honestly though I originally bought from you.
If I can send you back this wheel, and you send me back the wheel you have (not airbags, just wheels) I would be happy.
I'm really not sure where this went wrong. Maybe you sent me the wrong wheel (worn) and sent the other guy the perfect wheel. Maybe you didn't mean to say one was mint. Maybe you thought I wanted the worn one - I don't know.
But if you review our PMs - I think things were pretty clear. If you want to call, my number is XXX-XXX-XXXX.
-Matt
We all can agree that there was a disconnect in the PM's as I clearly thought we agreed on the worn wheel (hell consider the price!).
The wheel I have currently would bring $700+ (look around at the other threads by other JP importers.. ) so with that in mind, I figured you knew $400 was way more than a low-ball offer for a great shape wheel. $400 is a damn good deal for the one you have - let alone for a one without wear.
Only if you knew what it takes to get those parts here and the cost of buying them.
I paid more for the one I have now than you did for the one you have - simply put, you're not getting it for $400 - no way.
you can drag my name through the mud, call me all sorts of names, w/e ya like but it would be overly stupid of me to give you this current wheel for the one you have.
It just isn't going to happen.
The options I'm willing to live with is you buying this one or a refund - thats it.
I honestly thought you were after the wheel with wear given the offered price.. no one would sell these wheels in good shape w/o air bags for $400 - no way.
Might as well just give 'em away. In fact I believe I paid $360 for the one you have. ..nevermind the 4 month wait to get it and the 8 month wait to even find one.
anyhow, if you have something better in mind, i'm all ears.
Originally Posted by hwnd
Originally Posted by MattGold
Hey Jason,
We seem to be bouncing between PMs and e-mails - but not reaching a solution.
When we initially did the deal I paid you the same day, you took 11 days to ship - I didn't bother you.
You told me the wheel should arrive on Monday, but you didn't actually ship until Monday - I didn't complain.
You messed up (misunderstood?) and tried putting some blame on me and accused me of trying to pull one over on you - I kept a level head.
*I* am hunting for a solution on this - and *YOU* are being unresponsive. What's the deal? I know you aren't a vendor on here and don't need to live to any standard, but I think some level of customer service is needed here.
I offered to return this wheel and buy the wheel you had WITHOUT airbag for another $100. To me, I can't see how that's unfair.
You sold me a shitty wheel for $400, I paid $150 for an airbag off eBay, AND I'm paying you another $100 for this wheel. I'm in for $650 - WHICH IS $50 MORE THEN THE ONE YOU ARE SELLING.
So what is the problem here? To be perfectly honest, I just want to get this done and put behind me so I never have to deal with it again.
So please tell me - how do we move forward on this?
-M
Really? How's the for customer service. He misunderstood, he shipped the wrong thing, I tried to resolve it and he decides he's not gonna lift a finger. Ooooook. Well maybe I can give it another shot, after all, I *do* want a Spirit-R wheel. Maybe I should try and clarify this a bit.
Originally Posted by hwnd
Originally Posted by MattGold
Seriously? I'm willing to pay $500 for the wheel w/o the airbag that you were asking $600 for *with* the airbag and you're telling me to get fucked? I don't see how I'm being unreasonable. Please remember YOU were the one that screwed up this transaction from the get go. I'M the one trying to come to a fair conclusion for both of us.
If my only option is a return - I would really like you to PayPal me BEFORE I ship. Look at it like I am selling it back to you. I sent you $411.90 USD - Please send me back the same - and I will ship back the wheel. No offense, but you haven't exactly been on top of this and I have my worries about you refunding my PayPal transaction after you get the wheel.
XXX is my PayPal address.
-Matt
If my only option is a return - I would really like you to PayPal me BEFORE I ship. Look at it like I am selling it back to you. I sent you $411.90 USD - Please send me back the same - and I will ship back the wheel. No offense, but you haven't exactly been on top of this and I have my worries about you refunding my PayPal transaction after you get the wheel.
XXX is my PayPal address.
-Matt
Someone did PM me asking for one - I sent them in your direction for a worn wheel.. which they seemed to want.
Send it back and get a refund - I'm not sending you any money without having the wheel here.
You know - throw some black leather dye on the worn spots and resell it for more money.
So now Jason is giving me business advice on how to flip wheels to unsuspecting members. Not only that, Jason's personal wheel now has some sentimental value and he doesn't want me to have it. What is going on - am I in the freakin' Twilight Zone now?
As for asking for the money up front - ok - that was a bit pie in the sky, but worth a shot as he seems to be a bit unreasonable. We go back and forth a bit, I try to get him to pay for the return shipping ($20) because after all, the only reason I have to incur that cost is because HE messed up from the get go.
Originally Posted by hwnd
Thats a nice line of b/s I read below... thanks :-\
You're really dragging this thing out huh?
Whats wrong with a refund?
You're really dragging this thing out huh?
Whats wrong with a refund?
Originally Posted by MattGold
What line is BS?
Anyhow, refund is no problem - I have the wheel boxed up and ready to go. However, you have not given me a mailing address.
-M
Anyhow, refund is no problem - I have the wheel boxed up and ready to go. However, you have not given me a mailing address.
-M
Originally Posted by hwnd
I was referring to the remarks you made to Rich about how we unload containers of parts and distribute parts without cause for concern for the customer, etc etc.
truth of the matter is, i never brought over any containers. I know a few buddies in Japan who dont mind sending me a `heads up` when cool FD junk shows up. and for the record, I pocked about $20-profit on your wheel - hows that for the "profit" remark you made?
The return address (should be on the box I mailed the wheel in):
Jason Hwnd
XXXX
XXXX
truth of the matter is, i never brought over any containers. I know a few buddies in Japan who dont mind sending me a `heads up` when cool FD junk shows up. and for the record, I pocked about $20-profit on your wheel - hows that for the "profit" remark you made?
The return address (should be on the box I mailed the wheel in):
Jason Hwnd
XXXX
XXXX
Originally Posted by MattGold
I wasn't referring just to you, but may people who bring in containers but do not have to meet and standards of other vendors. That enables them to not have to try and make situations 'right' - they can just tell customers to get lost.
As for profit - it's not like you are doing it for free - or with my best interest in mind.
Anyhow, here's what I never figured out - why didn't you offer me any sort of refund/buy out for the perfect wheel? You told Rich you did, but I don't have any record of it.
Anyhow, what's done is done, here's your tracking #: 9410803699300009452628
Should be live by this afternoon when USPS gets it.
So let's be clear: I will get a refund for $411.90 (since you had me pay the PayPal fees) + $17.17 which is what its costing me to send back this wheel. Total $429.07. Since I paid the day we came to a deal, you will be able to pay me the day this wheel shows up, right?
-Matt
As for profit - it's not like you are doing it for free - or with my best interest in mind.
Anyhow, here's what I never figured out - why didn't you offer me any sort of refund/buy out for the perfect wheel? You told Rich you did, but I don't have any record of it.
Anyhow, what's done is done, here's your tracking #: 9410803699300009452628
Should be live by this afternoon when USPS gets it.
So let's be clear: I will get a refund for $411.90 (since you had me pay the PayPal fees) + $17.17 which is what its costing me to send back this wheel. Total $429.07. Since I paid the day we came to a deal, you will be able to pay me the day this wheel shows up, right?
-Matt
In response to my request for reimbursement on the wheel Jason replies:
Originally Posted by hwnd
PayPal says..
Payment Received (Unique Transaction ID #XXX)
Sent by: Matt Gold
Buyer Email: XXX
Payment Sent to: XXX
Amount received: $400.00 USD
Fee amount: $0.00 USD
Net amount: $400.00 USD
I'm going to simply click "Issue Refund". I think you'd get the fee's back.
So, *******, no.. I am not creating a new payment of $429.07 to send to you - I'm going to issue a refund using PayPal's "Issue Refund" option. I send you exactly what you sent me - no questions about it.
Understand?
Payment Received (Unique Transaction ID #XXX)
Sent by: Matt Gold
Buyer Email: XXX
Payment Sent to: XXX
Amount received: $400.00 USD
Fee amount: $0.00 USD
Net amount: $400.00 USD
I'm going to simply click "Issue Refund". I think you'd get the fee's back.
So, *******, no.. I am not creating a new payment of $429.07 to send to you - I'm going to issue a refund using PayPal's "Issue Refund" option. I send you exactly what you sent me - no questions about it.
Understand?
What follows is me sending the wheel then NEVER HEARING FROM JASON AGAIN.
08-10-10, 04:52 PM
#4
Round 3
As Jason continues to ignore PMs, IMs and E-mails from me AND Rich (GoodfellasFD3S) . My PMs are as follows.
Not ONE response and NO refund. Keep in mind, these PMs are over a course of OVER two weeks. I hope this thread stirs up SOMETHING or at the very least, prevents someone else from getting scammed.
Jason - can we just settle this already?
Originally Posted by MattGold
Jason,
You have my money and you now have the wheel.
WHERE IS THE REFUND?
I really can't believe your are blatantly scamming another member like this. I have been reasonable this entire time and you have been terrible.
I really hope to resolve this.
-M
You have my money and you now have the wheel.
WHERE IS THE REFUND?
I really can't believe your are blatantly scamming another member like this. I have been reasonable this entire time and you have been terrible.
I really hope to resolve this.
-M
Originally Posted by MattGold
So Jason,
Looks like you picked up the wheel Friday, but still haven't refunded me...
http://trkcnfrm1.smi.usps.com/PTSInt...99300009452628
As you said "I'm going to simply click "Issue Refund"" - What's the plan on that?
-M
Looks like you picked up the wheel Friday, but still haven't refunded me...
http://trkcnfrm1.smi.usps.com/PTSInt...99300009452628
As you said "I'm going to simply click "Issue Refund"" - What's the plan on that?
-M
Originally Posted by MattGold
Jason,
Just another reminder, the wheel is still at the Post Office: http://trkcnfrm1.smi.usps.com/PTSInt...99300009452628
I really don't feel comfortable with a $400 box just sitting there all this time. If you're gonna screw me over at least pick it up and mail it back - or go there and refuse it. I've e-mailed you, IMd you, contacted you thru GTalk and you haven't responded once.
You've really showed your true colors on this one, and I'm starting to think I'm not the only one you have done something like this to.
As I said - if you don't have the money to refund - that's fine - I would still pay the difference for the near-mint wheel you have. But the right thing to do is to refund me as you said you would.
-M
Just another reminder, the wheel is still at the Post Office: http://trkcnfrm1.smi.usps.com/PTSInt...99300009452628
I really don't feel comfortable with a $400 box just sitting there all this time. If you're gonna screw me over at least pick it up and mail it back - or go there and refuse it. I've e-mailed you, IMd you, contacted you thru GTalk and you haven't responded once.
You've really showed your true colors on this one, and I'm starting to think I'm not the only one you have done something like this to.
As I said - if you don't have the money to refund - that's fine - I would still pay the difference for the near-mint wheel you have. But the right thing to do is to refund me as you said you would.
-M
Originally Posted by MattGold
Jason,
This is getting kinda ridiculous. I sent the wheel back over a week ago AT YOUR REQUEST, and it has been sitting at the Post Office for a week.
http://trkcnfrm1.smi.usps.com/PTSInt...99300009452628
I don't know why you haven't picked it up yet, but I do need that refund. As of now, I have no wheel and you have my money.
Please handle this professionally and courteously as I've treated you from the start.
-Matt
This is getting kinda ridiculous. I sent the wheel back over a week ago AT YOUR REQUEST, and it has been sitting at the Post Office for a week.
http://trkcnfrm1.smi.usps.com/PTSInt...99300009452628
I don't know why you haven't picked it up yet, but I do need that refund. As of now, I have no wheel and you have my money.
Please handle this professionally and courteously as I've treated you from the start.
-Matt
Originally Posted by MattGold
Hey Jason,
Just FYI - they tried delivering the wheel to you today:
http://trkcnfrm1.smi.usps.com/PTSInt...99300009452628
Please try to get this ASAP as I don't want to drag this out any longer then we have to.
Thanks,
-Matt
Just FYI - they tried delivering the wheel to you today:
http://trkcnfrm1.smi.usps.com/PTSInt...99300009452628
Please try to get this ASAP as I don't want to drag this out any longer then we have to.
Thanks,
-Matt
Originally Posted by hwnd
PayPal says..
Payment Received (Unique Transaction ID #7EU28778H0831341U)
Sent by: Matt Gold
Buyer Email: xxxxx
Payment Sent to: jason.hwnd@gmail.com
Amount received: $400.00 USD
Fee amount: $0.00 USD
Net amount: $400.00 USD
I'm going to simply click "Issue Refund". I think you'd get the fee's back.
So, *******, no.. I am not creating a new payment of $429.07 to send to you - I'm going to issue a refund using PayPal's "Issue Refund" option. I send you exactly what you sent me - no questions about it.
Understand?
Payment Received (Unique Transaction ID #7EU28778H0831341U)
Sent by: Matt Gold
Buyer Email: xxxxx
Payment Sent to: jason.hwnd@gmail.com
Amount received: $400.00 USD
Fee amount: $0.00 USD
Net amount: $400.00 USD
I'm going to simply click "Issue Refund". I think you'd get the fee's back.
So, *******, no.. I am not creating a new payment of $429.07 to send to you - I'm going to issue a refund using PayPal's "Issue Refund" option. I send you exactly what you sent me - no questions about it.
Understand?
Not ONE response and NO refund. Keep in mind, these PMs are over a course of OVER two weeks. I hope this thread stirs up SOMETHING or at the very least, prevents someone else from getting scammed.
Jason - can we just settle this already?
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08-10-10, 07:21 PM
#7
Thanks Gordon.
I can assure you, although some later messages were omitted from this - they are nothing of substance. Additionally, Rich (GoodfellaFD3S) has reviewed ALL the PMs regarding the issue and can corroborate anything I have said.
That said, the wheel was at the Post Office two days after he told me to send it back. It sat there for another NINE and has been in Jason's possession for FIVE days without a refund. Had it been an issue of out of town, or incapacitated it has been resolved as he made it from his house to the Post Office to pick it up.
Additionally, I'm sure in that time, Jason could have made it to a computer and pressed 'refund'. I have seen him pop on and off GTalk (Green / Orange Status) so the question of *IF* he has had computer access is already answered.
I have given Jason EVERY benefit of doubt and he has continued to choose the wrong path. I'm keeping my fingers crossed this ends well.
I can assure you, although some later messages were omitted from this - they are nothing of substance. Additionally, Rich (GoodfellaFD3S) has reviewed ALL the PMs regarding the issue and can corroborate anything I have said.
That said, the wheel was at the Post Office two days after he told me to send it back. It sat there for another NINE and has been in Jason's possession for FIVE days without a refund. Had it been an issue of out of town, or incapacitated it has been resolved as he made it from his house to the Post Office to pick it up.
Additionally, I'm sure in that time, Jason could have made it to a computer and pressed 'refund'. I have seen him pop on and off GTalk (Green / Orange Status) so the question of *IF* he has had computer access is already answered.
I have given Jason EVERY benefit of doubt and he has continued to choose the wrong path. I'm keeping my fingers crossed this ends well.
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08-11-10, 04:14 AM
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I hate to vouch on a feedback thread but since I was mentioned I will. My dealings with Jason have been great and he has always been a great guy to talk too. I hope everything works out between you guys. It would surprise me if Jason truly meant to leave you out in the cold. He never seemed to be that type of guy to me. I think alot of us would be shocked if you guys didn't find a mutually satisfactory solution.
GL to both of you.
For the sake of correctness...
$150 for Miata Steering AirBag off eBay
The air bag can be had for a little bit more than half that. I just bought one recently (protege one).
GL to both of you.
For the sake of correctness...
$150 for Miata Steering AirBag off eBay
The air bag can be had for a little bit more than half that. I just bought one recently (protege one).
08-11-10, 08:39 AM
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. . .My dealings with Jason have been great and he has always been a great guy to talk too. I hope everything works out between you guys. It would surprise me if Jason truly meant to leave you out in the cold. He never seemed to be that type of guy to me. I think alot of us would be shocked if you guys didn't find a mutually satisfactory solution.
GL to both of you.
GL to both of you.
08-11-10, 09:48 AM
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I agree 100% with you Supernaut - in fact - I believe we PMd about this since you were referenced. Yet another reason I bought sight unseen AND sent payment unsecured (money owed, as Jason specifically requested). For the record NEVER pay for something just so the buyer dosent have to inccur PP fees. Annnnnyhow...
Got my refund this AM. Kinda sad it had to come to a public outing like this, but sometimes embarassment is the only motivator for some people.
Still no messages / emails / contact from Jason (not sure if Rich has heard anything) but as I said, the refund is processed.
... Now - anyone with a Spirit R wheel for sale?
Got my refund this AM. Kinda sad it had to come to a public outing like this, but sometimes embarassment is the only motivator for some people.
Still no messages / emails / contact from Jason (not sure if Rich has heard anything) but as I said, the refund is processed.
... Now - anyone with a Spirit R wheel for sale?
08-11-10, 10:46 AM
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Congrats on the refund. This bad seller thread about HWND caught my eye because I actutally considered buying one of those spirit R wheels from him.
I know a lot of people can vouch for him, but when a bad transaction takes place it gets a lot of people to think twice on buying from him/them.
I think the OP has a point. Some of us are not well known members in the rotary community.But when it comes to buying from these "high profile" members , we expect the same courtesy/customer service that they would give to other "high profile" members.
Not saying that all "high profile" members deal this way but im sure if it was Rich (just throwing your name out there since your a well known member/mod) involved buying the wheel in this case, im sure the issue would have been handled in a timely manner.
There is always two sides to every story. Unless HWND responds and defends himself ,I may have take my business elsewhere
I know a lot of people can vouch for him, but when a bad transaction takes place it gets a lot of people to think twice on buying from him/them.
I think the OP has a point. Some of us are not well known members in the rotary community.But when it comes to buying from these "high profile" members , we expect the same courtesy/customer service that they would give to other "high profile" members.
Not saying that all "high profile" members deal this way but im sure if it was Rich (just throwing your name out there since your a well known member/mod) involved buying the wheel in this case, im sure the issue would have been handled in a timely manner.
There is always two sides to every story. Unless HWND responds and defends himself ,I may have take my business elsewhere
08-13-10, 03:52 AM
#12
Wait before round 4 is over here comes Final Round...
This was couple month ago,Do you guys remember silver 99spec bumper with signal lights that Jaons Hwnd was selling??
1. My Paypal sent $700 U.S to Jaons Hwnd
2. hmm 2 weeks..it's ok he said it's from japan.. 3 weeks....4weeks[I didnt even bother pm him yet]
3. After 1 month my car still in the shop waiting for bumper I finaly end up Pm to Jaons Hwnd
Where is my bumper? Do you have tracking number"??
4. Jaons Hwnd Pmed me back, "Sorry it's sending here with bunch of items that I bought from Japan so ...dont have tracking number"but it will get to you just give couple of more days or I'll refund your money next monday.
5. I still waited with smile he pm me back saying he will get me signal lights for free and sorry about all this waiting please wait more days..so I waited more..
6. while his selling his parts...., I send him couple more pms...
7. Jaons Hwnd Never sent signal lights to me that he promised,My car was in the shop waiting fr bumper 2 month, Jaons Hwnd said Sorry bumper is""Probably""" lost on the way and refund me 700 dollars back after 2 month.
I would give him 2/10
This was couple month ago,Do you guys remember silver 99spec bumper with signal lights that Jaons Hwnd was selling??
1. My Paypal sent $700 U.S to Jaons Hwnd
2. hmm 2 weeks..it's ok he said it's from japan.. 3 weeks....4weeks[I didnt even bother pm him yet]
3. After 1 month my car still in the shop waiting for bumper I finaly end up Pm to Jaons Hwnd
Where is my bumper? Do you have tracking number"??
4. Jaons Hwnd Pmed me back, "Sorry it's sending here with bunch of items that I bought from Japan so ...dont have tracking number"but it will get to you just give couple of more days or I'll refund your money next monday.
5. I still waited with smile he pm me back saying he will get me signal lights for free and sorry about all this waiting please wait more days..so I waited more..
6. while his selling his parts...., I send him couple more pms...
7. Jaons Hwnd Never sent signal lights to me that he promised,My car was in the shop waiting fr bumper 2 month, Jaons Hwnd said Sorry bumper is""Probably""" lost on the way and refund me 700 dollars back after 2 month.
I would give him 2/10
08-13-10, 10:39 PM
#14
Ok His not scammer..........,Nobody needs to explain to you, he refunds money because he has to make money and keep his business my friend had same problem he gets money... buy all the parts for sale, then after he makes his money back he refunds and tell them item got lost when it was shipping.
I still give him 2/10
I still give him 2/10
08-13-10, 10:58 PM
#15
Please keep in mind - the title of the thread was chosen BEFORE any refunds were made and BEFORE he was making any contact - but AFTER the correspondence seen above. Jason was not only misleading me as a buyer, but misleading GoodfellasFD3S when he attempted to get the issue resolved. Since the issue went public - results happened VERY quickly.
Just to update/clarify the thread - Although a refund was processed a few days ago - I haven't *actually* received anything. I am not scheduled to have the funds in my account until after the 16th. Additionally, Jason has made similar promises to me as he made to FD virus - but I will not report on them until AFTER results are seen.
08-14-10, 02:15 AM
#16
Jason pmed me like 5 times when we talk about shipping and condition of the bumper but when you send money to him.......-.,-
As a fd owner I would love to drive my car instead of waiting for two month, while my friends are going to track and going to RX7 meeting. Time is very important to me, I would give him 1/10 when I think back then.
Mattgold sorry about this I should have posted this thread before but we both learned in hardway hope you recieve your money bro.
As a fd owner I would love to drive my car instead of waiting for two month, while my friends are going to track and going to RX7 meeting. Time is very important to me, I would give him 1/10 when I think back then.
Mattgold sorry about this I should have posted this thread before but we both learned in hardway hope you recieve your money bro.
08-14-10, 01:26 PM
#17
<>@#$m<>~!@#
Well I'll address some of these with MattGold shortly...
But for that Canadian/FD Virus guy... ..thats not exactly the entire story now is it?
I had probably the best deal of a life time on a '02 silver bumper then wanted to `price battle` what I sold you with stuff from other shops. What you failed to understand and still can't seem to grasp is - **** from J-land doesn't just "show up" or nor could I "over night parts from Japan".
It takes weeks, weeks and... yeah.. weeks.
Someone there has to coordinate package, logistics, etc.
I gave you *SOOOOOO MANY TIMES* to back out. ...well you didn't. ya hung in there like a good guy and I felt bad for you.. so what did I offer? free lens, etc but you kept on and on and ..on!
..So you were refunded 100% of your money. And guess what!?!? HE WANTED TO BUY MORE STUFF?>!<@#?> ..and here you are :-)
Anyhow, I took a 2 week trip (wedding / vacation [much needed]) and Matt's refund was caught up in this. While I'd like to address all the b/s, etc, I'll hit a few points which wore a sore spot with me.
#1 - I agreed to sell him the wheel that I sent him. He bought it sight unseen.
I *never* sent photos to him... but my confusion (or his pending how ya look at it) was starting here.
#2 - not sure how long he had the wheel but he didn't PM me once he got it.
Just didn't bother to say "Hey, I am not happy with this worn wheel".
He didn't do anything in this manner - I suspect he was going to "eat it"..?
#3 - he did PM me with a semi-rude message saying something to the effect of me scamming him.
...I've probably unloaded more(or close to) real Spirit-R parts than Ramy ...and MattGold calling me a scammer.. great :-\
So now, I'm like "**** no, call me a scammer and want the personal wheel off my car? fuuuccck you". so I made up my mind - "not for sale" because he surely wasn't going to get it himself or via proxy.
So that is that.. he thought he was buying a perfect spirit-r steering wheel for $400 (that made me kinda chuckle - epic sale of the year) but he ended up with a worn wheel for $400 (which seems fair to me). I simply wont back off my position by giving him my own wheel (which is as good as I've ever seen - I've had at least 6 or 7 of them this year).
Anyhow, long story short:
Before I even knew of this "Hate Jason" thread, I decided to give him the worn wheel for free.
I admit, he shouldn't have had to wait this long for a refund, etc etc but whatever.
It was sent back to him today (08.14.10) free of charge. PayPal is doing an eCheck-refund (only god knows why) but I did as I said I would do "simply click refund"... and I did (unknownly it would result in eCheck refund).
So hows that for scamming? He ends up with a free $400 wheel!
So I'll take my turn and warn about dealing with him - he bitches like a woman.
Didn't message me at all once he got the wheel, noooo.. he wanted until I posted up another wheel in better condition than his. which soured me immensity.
On a side note:
I'd like to share a small story about meeting one of these members who didnt know me before at all.. It ended up being so that I was driving up 2hrs+ to help this guy tune his AEM/FD.
Well we get there, dinner, etc.. had some fun in the AEM/FD and about 2am I was driving home and smacked a deer about 80mph in a fullsize mutsi montero limited. couldn't drive home, damage was too bad.
I called this guy up and explained what happen (at 2am mind you). so he drives about 30mins-45mins out to get me and ...hands me the key to the FD we played with that entire day.
whatuda know - guy didn't know me from a hole in the wall but handed me the key to a moderately `go-fast` FD. I took it home "free & clear".
must say something about my scammer nature i guess :-)
...enjoy your free wheel MattGold.
PayPal claims 16th for a complete transaction on the refund.
Will post tracking number for the world to see.
(I'm so pissed off by this thread now.. erks me that he did this - sellers beware!)
But for that Canadian/FD Virus guy... ..thats not exactly the entire story now is it?
I had probably the best deal of a life time on a '02 silver bumper then wanted to `price battle` what I sold you with stuff from other shops. What you failed to understand and still can't seem to grasp is - **** from J-land doesn't just "show up" or nor could I "over night parts from Japan".
It takes weeks, weeks and... yeah.. weeks.
Someone there has to coordinate package, logistics, etc.
I gave you *SOOOOOO MANY TIMES* to back out. ...well you didn't. ya hung in there like a good guy and I felt bad for you.. so what did I offer? free lens, etc but you kept on and on and ..on!
..So you were refunded 100% of your money. And guess what!?!? HE WANTED TO BUY MORE STUFF?>!<@#?> ..and here you are :-)
Anyhow, I took a 2 week trip (wedding / vacation [much needed]) and Matt's refund was caught up in this. While I'd like to address all the b/s, etc, I'll hit a few points which wore a sore spot with me.
#1 - I agreed to sell him the wheel that I sent him. He bought it sight unseen.
I *never* sent photos to him... but my confusion (or his pending how ya look at it) was starting here.
#2 - not sure how long he had the wheel but he didn't PM me once he got it.
Just didn't bother to say "Hey, I am not happy with this worn wheel".
He didn't do anything in this manner - I suspect he was going to "eat it"..?
#3 - he did PM me with a semi-rude message saying something to the effect of me scamming him.
...I've probably unloaded more(or close to) real Spirit-R parts than Ramy ...and MattGold calling me a scammer.. great :-\
So now, I'm like "**** no, call me a scammer and want the personal wheel off my car? fuuuccck you". so I made up my mind - "not for sale" because he surely wasn't going to get it himself or via proxy.
So that is that.. he thought he was buying a perfect spirit-r steering wheel for $400 (that made me kinda chuckle - epic sale of the year) but he ended up with a worn wheel for $400 (which seems fair to me). I simply wont back off my position by giving him my own wheel (which is as good as I've ever seen - I've had at least 6 or 7 of them this year).
Anyhow, long story short:
Before I even knew of this "Hate Jason" thread, I decided to give him the worn wheel for free.
I admit, he shouldn't have had to wait this long for a refund, etc etc but whatever.
It was sent back to him today (08.14.10) free of charge. PayPal is doing an eCheck-refund (only god knows why) but I did as I said I would do "simply click refund"... and I did (unknownly it would result in eCheck refund).
So hows that for scamming? He ends up with a free $400 wheel!
So I'll take my turn and warn about dealing with him - he bitches like a woman.
Didn't message me at all once he got the wheel, noooo.. he wanted until I posted up another wheel in better condition than his. which soured me immensity.
On a side note:
I'd like to share a small story about meeting one of these members who didnt know me before at all.. It ended up being so that I was driving up 2hrs+ to help this guy tune his AEM/FD.
Well we get there, dinner, etc.. had some fun in the AEM/FD and about 2am I was driving home and smacked a deer about 80mph in a fullsize mutsi montero limited. couldn't drive home, damage was too bad.
I called this guy up and explained what happen (at 2am mind you). so he drives about 30mins-45mins out to get me and ...hands me the key to the FD we played with that entire day.
whatuda know - guy didn't know me from a hole in the wall but handed me the key to a moderately `go-fast` FD. I took it home "free & clear".
must say something about my scammer nature i guess :-)
...enjoy your free wheel MattGold.
PayPal claims 16th for a complete transaction on the refund.
Will post tracking number for the world to see.
(I'm so pissed off by this thread now.. erks me that he did this - sellers beware!)
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I am going to wrap this one up...but some thoughts....
Jason, thank you for refunding this guy. I appreciate you taking the extra step. Yes, it oculd have been done faster. But it was still done. Many people today dont get there. You did, and I thank you.
With that being said, you are the seller here. That means that you have knowledge about what parts are worth that you cannot expect all of your buyers to have. This guy clearly said to you "how about $400 for the better of the two wheels". You simply said you could do that. Why in the world would you think, from that fact, that he was trying to shaft you later, when he saw the condition of the wheel you sent him? He clearly said "the better of the two".....your original ad said that one was worn and one was near perfect. He asked for the better of the two. What makes you think that his disappointment when he saw the wheel was an afterthought? That is where the confusion came from right there, and he is not to blame for it.
But like I said, buyers dont know the value of parts like you do, you deal with them every day. It isnt reasonable for you to think that they all know better, and when someone doesnt know better, they deserve to be told in a polite manner. Please consider these thoughts as you continue your selling on the forum. I thank you again for following through.
As for the bumper I am going to have to agree with Jason on this one too--parts coming from another country can easily get held up and anyone who buys these parts should be aware. That doesnt mean that they always will, but it means BE PREPARED FOR THE POSSIBILITY. If you arent, then do not send money. Jason told you it was on its way and that it would take some time. There wasnt anything more he could have done to make it get here any faster.
EDIT--I will say one more thing, Jason...despite your claims, he did NOT get a "free $400 wheel"....it is clear that he sent it back to you and that you received it. So, I dont know why youre even claiming that, but come on, lets stick to the facts here.....
Thread closed.
Jason, thank you for refunding this guy. I appreciate you taking the extra step. Yes, it oculd have been done faster. But it was still done. Many people today dont get there. You did, and I thank you.
With that being said, you are the seller here. That means that you have knowledge about what parts are worth that you cannot expect all of your buyers to have. This guy clearly said to you "how about $400 for the better of the two wheels". You simply said you could do that. Why in the world would you think, from that fact, that he was trying to shaft you later, when he saw the condition of the wheel you sent him? He clearly said "the better of the two".....your original ad said that one was worn and one was near perfect. He asked for the better of the two. What makes you think that his disappointment when he saw the wheel was an afterthought? That is where the confusion came from right there, and he is not to blame for it.
But like I said, buyers dont know the value of parts like you do, you deal with them every day. It isnt reasonable for you to think that they all know better, and when someone doesnt know better, they deserve to be told in a polite manner. Please consider these thoughts as you continue your selling on the forum. I thank you again for following through.
As for the bumper I am going to have to agree with Jason on this one too--parts coming from another country can easily get held up and anyone who buys these parts should be aware. That doesnt mean that they always will, but it means BE PREPARED FOR THE POSSIBILITY. If you arent, then do not send money. Jason told you it was on its way and that it would take some time. There wasnt anything more he could have done to make it get here any faster.
EDIT--I will say one more thing, Jason...despite your claims, he did NOT get a "free $400 wheel"....it is clear that he sent it back to you and that you received it. So, I dont know why youre even claiming that, but come on, lets stick to the facts here.....
Thread closed.
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