Issue with seller MannyKiller
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Issue with seller MannyKiller
This drags over from Ebay, but he sent me a PM here trying to sell me the Mocal Dual Oil Cooler Kit that he stiffed me on. Who is a moron?
This is what he sent me after I won his Ebay Auction and already paid him through Paypal
Here is my response
His reply to my refusing to pay more
My reply to him for having no integrity
His response followed by a refund.
My response to his refund and refusal to send the item
Here is my e-mail to and response from Ebay
So after this entire ordeal, I continue my search for an upgraded Dual Oil Cooler set-up for the car. Today I get this PM:
This piece of garbage has the nerve to tell me he sold them to "a good friend for $200" Now he wants $860 for the kit that I won and paid for (I was refunded though). I hope this is not the kind of integrity and honor in the RX-7 world.
Cool man, what part of Cali are you going to be in? i'm about 45 min outside of LA/san fernando valley...and I can meet you halfway if you'd like. But yea I just got a couple pm's about the coolers, but i'd rather not ship them If i don't have to. So if your serious I'll hold them for you. Price is 800.00 dollars even. My number is 661-510-xxxx, and my name is Aaron. Feel free to call me for any questions. Thanks much!
- ap
JUST THOUGHT YALL MIGHT WANT TO KNOW!!
This is what he sent me after I won his Ebay Auction and already paid him through Paypal
From: Reighn Lott <cky2a061616solid@yahoo.com>
Subject: Mocal 25 Row Oil Coolers...
To: mshoaf@yahoo.com
Date: Monday, August 2, 2010, 4:50 PM
Hey hows it going? I just figured out why ebay charges less for shipping and it's because there wasn't an insurance option. With that said Insurance is going to be 12 bucks... so if you could send that paypal I'll make sure the package is shipped out tomorow morning. But I have a strict policy on shipping anything auto related over 200 without insurance because i've had stuff dropped/broken and it's just not worth it. Anyways, thanks for your business and again... i'll ship it out as soon as I recieve the extra 12 bucks. Thanks! ttys
- Ap
Subject: Mocal 25 Row Oil Coolers...
To: mshoaf@yahoo.com
Date: Monday, August 2, 2010, 4:50 PM
Hey hows it going? I just figured out why ebay charges less for shipping and it's because there wasn't an insurance option. With that said Insurance is going to be 12 bucks... so if you could send that paypal I'll make sure the package is shipped out tomorow morning. But I have a strict policy on shipping anything auto related over 200 without insurance because i've had stuff dropped/broken and it's just not worth it. Anyways, thanks for your business and again... i'll ship it out as soon as I recieve the extra 12 bucks. Thanks! ttys
- Ap
From: mark shoaf <mshoaf@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Mocal 25 Row Oil Coolers...
To: "Reighn Lott" <cky2a061616solid@yahoo.com>
Date: Monday, August 2, 2010, 4:15 PM
I ship things all the time, and insurance doesn't cost $12. There is no way that package costs $40+ to ship ground. Fed Ex, UPS, and USPS Flat Rate Boxes are good methods. USPS flat rate boxes with insurance will be around $20-30 tops for up to 50lbs. I am not sending any extra money.
Mark
Subject: Re: Mocal 25 Row Oil Coolers...
To: "Reighn Lott" <cky2a061616solid@yahoo.com>
Date: Monday, August 2, 2010, 4:15 PM
I ship things all the time, and insurance doesn't cost $12. There is no way that package costs $40+ to ship ground. Fed Ex, UPS, and USPS Flat Rate Boxes are good methods. USPS flat rate boxes with insurance will be around $20-30 tops for up to 50lbs. I am not sending any extra money.
Mark
From: Reighn Lott <cky2a061616solid@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Mocal 25 Row Oil Coolers...
To: "mark shoaf" <mshoaf@yahoo.com>
Date: Monday, August 2, 2010, 9:59 PM
Well obviously you don't ship valuable components that are prone to being damaged. If thats the case then I'll ship it without the protection, and without the insurance. And since you just happen to be a rude person I have absolutely no problem doing it. I sell parts like this as a part of my normal income. Don't send the extra 12 bucks, but know that the parts will be packaged accordingly. I won't damage them in any way, but if they get damaged because of someones ignorance or un-professionality.... thats all on you. I'll ship it out tomorrow morning. And no it hasn't been a pleasure doing business with you. As a matter of fact, it's people like you who have made me sell less on E-bay. My 100% seller feedback is a product of my professionality.
As a matter of fact, I have absolutely no problem in refunding the money. I figured i'd help someone out by selling an aftermarket oil cooler kit to someone at a hell of a steal price. With that said if i take it and it ends up costing more than what you so professionally think is the right price.. I'll simply refund the money and I'll sell them on my car forum and make 2-300 more. With that said, have a good one.
- Ap
Subject: Re: Mocal 25 Row Oil Coolers...
To: "mark shoaf" <mshoaf@yahoo.com>
Date: Monday, August 2, 2010, 9:59 PM
Well obviously you don't ship valuable components that are prone to being damaged. If thats the case then I'll ship it without the protection, and without the insurance. And since you just happen to be a rude person I have absolutely no problem doing it. I sell parts like this as a part of my normal income. Don't send the extra 12 bucks, but know that the parts will be packaged accordingly. I won't damage them in any way, but if they get damaged because of someones ignorance or un-professionality.... thats all on you. I'll ship it out tomorrow morning. And no it hasn't been a pleasure doing business with you. As a matter of fact, it's people like you who have made me sell less on E-bay. My 100% seller feedback is a product of my professionality.
As a matter of fact, I have absolutely no problem in refunding the money. I figured i'd help someone out by selling an aftermarket oil cooler kit to someone at a hell of a steal price. With that said if i take it and it ends up costing more than what you so professionally think is the right price.. I'll simply refund the money and I'll sell them on my car forum and make 2-300 more. With that said, have a good one.
- Ap
From: mark shoaf <mshoaf@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Mocal 25 Row Oil Coolers...
To: "Reighn Lott" <cky2a061616solid@yahoo.com>
Date: Monday, August 2, 2010, 9:49 PM
I have shipped and been shipped many car parts including intercoolers and oil coolers. They have never been damaged in shipping and were always packed properly. Don't lecture me on professionalism, my job is to protect for this Country. While you sit at home and enjoy the life you live while I am over here in Iraq. It is the ungrateful people like you that **** us Soldiers off. It is not my mistake that you incorrectly composed a legal contract over ebay, and that you were not competent enough to calculate for shipping. Not my fault. To me it seems like you are just trying to get some extra cash. I guess the customer is NOT always right in your book. I have a 100% feedback on ebay too, because I am honest. If I make a miscalculation, I don't tell people they owe me more money. I suck it up and take care of it because it is the right thing to do. It shows your level of integrity.
I do not want a refund. I expect this item to be shipped and delivered in a timely manner with proper packing. Item will be inspected with the delivery person upon arrival, and any claims or refusal will be made at that time.
Mark
Subject: Re: Mocal 25 Row Oil Coolers...
To: "Reighn Lott" <cky2a061616solid@yahoo.com>
Date: Monday, August 2, 2010, 9:49 PM
I have shipped and been shipped many car parts including intercoolers and oil coolers. They have never been damaged in shipping and were always packed properly. Don't lecture me on professionalism, my job is to protect for this Country. While you sit at home and enjoy the life you live while I am over here in Iraq. It is the ungrateful people like you that **** us Soldiers off. It is not my mistake that you incorrectly composed a legal contract over ebay, and that you were not competent enough to calculate for shipping. Not my fault. To me it seems like you are just trying to get some extra cash. I guess the customer is NOT always right in your book. I have a 100% feedback on ebay too, because I am honest. If I make a miscalculation, I don't tell people they owe me more money. I suck it up and take care of it because it is the right thing to do. It shows your level of integrity.
I do not want a refund. I expect this item to be shipped and delivered in a timely manner with proper packing. Item will be inspected with the delivery person upon arrival, and any claims or refusal will be made at that time.
Mark
From: Reighn Lott <cky2a061616solid@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Mocal 25 Row Oil Coolers...
To: "mark shoaf" <mshoaf@yahoo.com>
Date: Tuesday, August 3, 2010, 1:53 AM
You being over seas has nothing to do with our transaction in the slightest way, and the fact that you are ignorant beyond beliefe and actually think that would add any type of relevence to the transaction is just a testament of that. You made the choice to go over there so don't try to make it seem like you were forced to serve. It's actually quite Moronic...and I pity you for it. I'm not sending you the Oil-coolers, go spend 1200 on new ones and an extra 80 on shipping them. You are absolutely ridiculous in thinking that an extra 12 dollars is "me trying to make some extra cash." I Issued a refund, because I no longer have the oil-coolers anymore. I gave them to a good friend for 200 bucks... He appreciates the great deal. Good luck tiger.
- ap
Subject: Re: Mocal 25 Row Oil Coolers...
To: "mark shoaf" <mshoaf@yahoo.com>
Date: Tuesday, August 3, 2010, 1:53 AM
You being over seas has nothing to do with our transaction in the slightest way, and the fact that you are ignorant beyond beliefe and actually think that would add any type of relevence to the transaction is just a testament of that. You made the choice to go over there so don't try to make it seem like you were forced to serve. It's actually quite Moronic...and I pity you for it. I'm not sending you the Oil-coolers, go spend 1200 on new ones and an extra 80 on shipping them. You are absolutely ridiculous in thinking that an extra 12 dollars is "me trying to make some extra cash." I Issued a refund, because I no longer have the oil-coolers anymore. I gave them to a good friend for 200 bucks... He appreciates the great deal. Good luck tiger.
- ap
From: mark shoaf <mshoaf@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Mocal 25 Row Oil Coolers...
To: "Reighn Lott" <cky2a061616solid@yahoo.com>
Date: Tuesday, August 3, 2010, 3:21 AM
Too easy. I will note this with Ebay for breaking our contract.
Subject: Re: Mocal 25 Row Oil Coolers...
To: "Reighn Lott" <cky2a061616solid@yahoo.com>
Date: Tuesday, August 3, 2010, 3:21 AM
Too easy. I will note this with Ebay for breaking our contract.
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Message: I won an auction for these coolers. The seller contacted me after
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($34 was the price in the auction). I had already sent the money and I
told him I will not pay any more money. I expected the item to be
delivered promptly and correctly packaged. He sent me an e-mail saying
how he couldn't believe they didn't sell for more, and that I was
unprofessional for not sending him more money to ship them! The seller
refunded the money to my paypal, and that he wasn't shipping them. Isn't ebay a binding contract?
Mark
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To: mshoaf@yahoo.com
Date: Tuesday, August 3, 2010, 6:44 PM
Dear Mark,
Thank you for writing eBay in regard to item number 290457098452 (Rx7
Dual Oil Cooler Kit W/Mocal 25 row/earls fittings) in which your seller
issued a refund instead of completing the transaction. Thanks for
bringing this issue to our attention. Your report will help make the
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Mark, it would be good for you to know that once the listing ends with a
winning bid, the seller is obligated to complete the transaction unless
the buyer fails to meet the terms stated in the listing (such as payment
method) or he cannot authenticate the buyer's identity. As the seller,
he cannot refuse to complete a transaction if the item does not reach
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Message: I won an auction for these coolers. The seller contacted me after
the end of the sale and requested $12 for additional shipping charges
($34 was the price in the auction). I had already sent the money and I
told him I will not pay any more money. I expected the item to be
delivered promptly and correctly packaged. He sent me an e-mail saying
how he couldn't believe they didn't sell for more, and that I was
unprofessional for not sending him more money to ship them! The seller
refunded the money to my paypal, and that he wasn't shipping them. Isn't ebay a binding contract?
Mark
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To: mshoaf@yahoo.com
Date: Tuesday, August 3, 2010, 6:44 PM
Dear Mark,
Thank you for writing eBay in regard to item number 290457098452 (Rx7
Dual Oil Cooler Kit W/Mocal 25 row/earls fittings) in which your seller
issued a refund instead of completing the transaction. Thanks for
bringing this issue to our attention. Your report will help make the
eBay Community safer for everyone.
Mark, it would be good for you to know that once the listing ends with a
winning bid, the seller is obligated to complete the transaction unless
the buyer fails to meet the terms stated in the listing (such as payment
method) or he cannot authenticate the buyer's identity. As the seller,
he cannot refuse to complete a transaction if the item does not reach
the desired sale price or if other circumstances arise that cause him to
reconsider the sale.
eBay takes your complaint very seriously. I have thoroughly investigated
your report, and have taken appropriate action in accordance with our
site policies. These actions may include issuing a warning, temporary
suspension, indefinite suspension or terminating the membership. Because
privacy concerns are important to everyone, I am not at liberty to
discuss the details of another member's account. I ask for your
understanding in this regard, and hope this assures you that your
personal account history will always remain private.
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Originally Posted by mannykiller
I have a Dual Mocal 25 row All Earls fittings W/Steel braided lines Kit for sale. Kit has everything you need to install it... But you may need a fitting on your oil pedistol to fit the -an fitting on. Comes with thermostate and even 2 wire screens to protect them.
800 OBO Shipping shouldn't be more than 60 dollars insured. Let me know though! thanks much! I'll talk to you soon.
- ap
p.s. I have pics I can send you as well. Thanks much!
800 OBO Shipping shouldn't be more than 60 dollars insured. Let me know though! thanks much! I'll talk to you soon.
- ap
p.s. I have pics I can send you as well. Thanks much!
Originally Posted by mannykiller
Originally Posted by Show_off
Sounds good. I will actually be in Cali in a few days, so that would save on shipping. Where can we meet up at so I can pick them up?
Originally Posted by Show_off
Hey dude, don't forget a number so I can reach you when I get into town.
- ap
Originally Posted by show-off
HOw about I paypal you $634.40 and you ship my coolers? Integrity...punk ***.
Mark Shoaf from Ebay!
Mark Shoaf from Ebay!
Originally Posted by mannykiller
also, get a life man......for christ's sake...Honestly..
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08-04-10, 07:35 PM
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I am a very blunt/stern person, and his response to my stubbornness was just unacceptable. I won at the stated price and he was not happy.
I am not denying that $642 was a steal for that kit, but the auction ended at $634.40. Money isn't the issue, principal and integrity are the issue.
I am not denying that $642 was a steal for that kit, but the auction ended at $634.40. Money isn't the issue, principal and integrity are the issue.
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So you're threatening someone on a public forum over an item on ebay ? I would've either paid the 12 bucks or just let the issue die after he sent the refund. I don't see how/why Mannykiller is the bad guy when you got your money back.
What he does with his own stuff is his own business whether he sold it to his friend or decided to sell it here it doesn't matter.
? I would've either paid the 12 bucks or just let the issue die after he sent the refund. I don't see how/why Mannykiller is the bad guy when you got your money back.What he does with his own stuff is his own business whether he sold it to his friend or decided to sell it here it doesn't matter.
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So you're threatening someone on a public forum over an item on ebay ? I would've either paid the 12 bucks or just let the issue die after he sent the refund. I don't see how/why Mannykiller is the bad guy when you got your money back.
What he does with his own stuff is his own business whether he sold it to his friend or decided to sell it here it doesn't matter.
? I would've either paid the 12 bucks or just let the issue die after he sent the refund. I don't see how/why Mannykiller is the bad guy when you got your money back.What he does with his own stuff is his own business whether he sold it to his friend or decided to sell it here it doesn't matter.
Ebay is a contract, legal and binding. He broke that contract, lied, and tried to sell it for $200 more bucks.
He has no integrity.
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08-04-10, 08:28 PM
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I have to agree with Showoff, though threatening him is a little much. While some of you think its crazy that showoff did not send the extra 12 bucks, its equally as crazy that mannykiller did not ship the item and eat the 12 bucks since it was his miscalculation that caused the mix up.
I have actually had a situation with Mannykiller also, i never posted anything but its still under skin so i will post now.
He and I worked out a trade for a set of RE sleek lights that i had for his stock pop ups and $200 cash. So his car wouldnt be down for several days, we worked it out so he would send the $200 through paypal and then i would ship my lights. Once he recieved them he would send his stock pop ups and that would be it.
Once he received my lights he pmed me saying that they were in worse condition than he thought and that he wanted to work something out. He had seen several pictures and was told the lights were in poor condition. In the end we agreed for him to send me an extra $100 and he would keep his stock pop ups.
It worked out in the end, but it is basically the same situation. He entered a transaction knowing the terms and then in the middle wants to switch it around to benefit him further. While its not a big deal, its the principle behind it.
-Austin
I have actually had a situation with Mannykiller also, i never posted anything but its still under skin so i will post now.
He and I worked out a trade for a set of RE sleek lights that i had for his stock pop ups and $200 cash. So his car wouldnt be down for several days, we worked it out so he would send the $200 through paypal and then i would ship my lights. Once he recieved them he would send his stock pop ups and that would be it.
Once he received my lights he pmed me saying that they were in worse condition than he thought and that he wanted to work something out. He had seen several pictures and was told the lights were in poor condition. In the end we agreed for him to send me an extra $100 and he would keep his stock pop ups.
It worked out in the end, but it is basically the same situation. He entered a transaction knowing the terms and then in the middle wants to switch it around to benefit him further. While its not a big deal, its the principle behind it.
-Austin
08-04-10, 09:00 PM
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wow, well I can vouch for the op, he just bought my car and came through on everything so far with out a hitch. Best person I've dealt with in a long time when it came to selling something.
08-04-10, 09:28 PM
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I have to agree with Showoff, though threatening him is a little much. While some of you think its crazy that showoff did not send the extra 12 bucks, its equally as crazy that mannykiller did not ship the item and eat the 12 bucks since it was his miscalculation that caused the mix up.
I have actually had a situation with Mannykiller also, i never posted anything but its still under skin so i will post now.
He and I worked out a trade for a set of RE sleek lights that i had for his stock pop ups and $200 cash. So his car wouldnt be down for several days, we worked it out so he would send the $200 through paypal and then i would ship my lights. Once he recieved them he would send his stock pop ups and that would be it.
Once he received my lights he pmed me saying that they were in worse condition than he thought and that he wanted to work something out. He had seen several pictures and was told the lights were in poor condition. In the end we agreed for him to send me an extra $100 and he would keep his stock pop ups.
It worked out in the end, but it is basically the same situation. He entered a transaction knowing the terms and then in the middle wants to switch it around to benefit him further. While its not a big deal, its the principle behind it.
-Austin
I have actually had a situation with Mannykiller also, i never posted anything but its still under skin so i will post now.
He and I worked out a trade for a set of RE sleek lights that i had for his stock pop ups and $200 cash. So his car wouldnt be down for several days, we worked it out so he would send the $200 through paypal and then i would ship my lights. Once he recieved them he would send his stock pop ups and that would be it.
Once he received my lights he pmed me saying that they were in worse condition than he thought and that he wanted to work something out. He had seen several pictures and was told the lights were in poor condition. In the end we agreed for him to send me an extra $100 and he would keep his stock pop ups.
It worked out in the end, but it is basically the same situation. He entered a transaction knowing the terms and then in the middle wants to switch it around to benefit him further. While its not a big deal, its the principle behind it.
-Austin
Austin,
The pictures you sent me of those lights was extremely deceptive.. I have pictures of them when I recieved them but can't find the pictures you sent me because they have been deleted off your photobucket account. If the "terms" are false then thats misleading the buyer into buying something that is not what the description says it really is. That warrants my acts on the transaction.
08-04-10, 09:39 PM
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I told u the lights were in poor condition and i think the pictures were pretty clear of that. You entered the transaction knowing that my lights were in poor condition, i never tried to trick into thinking anything other. At what point do u think that i provided false "terms," which you agreed to? I might be able to dig up the pics i sent you off my other computer.
-Austin
-Austin
08-04-10, 09:41 PM
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Secondly.. I don't and won't tolerate threats, this is ridiculous that your having a complete temper tantrum like a child because I refused to sell you something because you were rude and ignorant. Funny how you never told anyone about the message I sent you before you sent the winning paypal payment explaining the problem at hand.. yet you chose to ignore it then stink about the fact that you didnt want to pay for insurance because i'm trying to get more money. I returned the money including paypal fee, and simply refuse to deal with such a head case.
Also black06g85, I'm pretty sure it took a week and a half for you to respond back to me after I bought those bushings off you.. and even longer for a tracking number. Of course you'll stick up for a guy who just handed you a ton of money. forgive me if i'm mistaken...but.. just a note for everyone to take into consideration. I have a ton of people who would vouch for me and my honesty as a seller. I just feel this situation is ridiculous and have a hell of a lot more important things to think about.
For any doubts.....check my I trader feedback... which is by the way..higher than both of yours given the fact that I have many more transactions over a longer period of time.
Also black06g85, I'm pretty sure it took a week and a half for you to respond back to me after I bought those bushings off you.. and even longer for a tracking number. Of course you'll stick up for a guy who just handed you a ton of money. forgive me if i'm mistaken...but.. just a note for everyone to take into consideration. I have a ton of people who would vouch for me and my honesty as a seller. I just feel this situation is ridiculous and have a hell of a lot more important things to think about.
For any doubts.....check my I trader feedback... which is by the way..higher than both of yours given the fact that I have many more transactions over a longer period of time.
08-04-10, 09:46 PM
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I told u the lights were in poor condition and i think the pictures were pretty clear of that. You entered the transaction knowing that my lights were in poor condition, i never tried to trick into thinking anything other. At what point do u think that i provided false "terms," which you agreed to? I might be able to dig up the pics i sent you off my other computer.
-Austin
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You also failed to mention the buckets were completely different... If you can get those pics post them. I still have my pics, to back my statement... and if you were confident in your description then why did you so easily agree to pay back the $100 dollars?
08-04-10, 09:53 PM
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Honestly, i dont remember u asking for additional pics, but it was a long time ago and i could be wrong. And if you did ask for additional pics, you should have waited to paypal me until you received those pics.
What was the issue with the buckets? How were they different? I took them apart at one point and i dont remember them being different.
I agreed to the extra $100 because it wasnt worth dealing with the BS. As i stated in my original post, it all worked out in the end and i agreed to the terms and i accept that. The reason i posted was to show that i had a similar transaction with you, not to argue details. But i understand you want to defend yourself, so if you would be elaborate on my questions.
-Austin
What was the issue with the buckets? How were they different? I took them apart at one point and i dont remember them being different.
I agreed to the extra $100 because it wasnt worth dealing with the BS. As i stated in my original post, it all worked out in the end and i agreed to the terms and i accept that. The reason i posted was to show that i had a similar transaction with you, not to argue details. But i understand you want to defend yourself, so if you would be elaborate on my questions.
-Austin
08-04-10, 10:12 PM
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Honestly, i dont remember u asking for additional pics, but it was a long time ago and i could be wrong. And if you did ask for additional pics, you should have waited to paypal me until you received those pics.
What was the issue with the buckets? How were they different? I took them apart at one point and i dont remember them being different.
I agreed to the extra $100 because it wasnt worth dealing with the BS. As i stated in my original post, it all worked out in the end and i agreed to the terms and i accept that. The reason i posted was to show that i had a similar transaction with you, not to argue details. But i understand you want to defend yourself, so if you would be elaborate on my questions.
-Austin
What was the issue with the buckets? How were they different? I took them apart at one point and i dont remember them being different.
I agreed to the extra $100 because it wasnt worth dealing with the BS. As i stated in my original post, it all worked out in the end and i agreed to the terms and i accept that. The reason i posted was to show that i had a similar transaction with you, not to argue details. But i understand you want to defend yourself, so if you would be elaborate on my questions.
-Austin
The buckets at a glance look The same... But they are completely different shapes all around, from the actual inner headlight housing to where the covers sit. The drivers side is a much better shape, but the pasenger side makes my Authentic RE-amemiya covers look as if they were out of place... Its impossible to line it up. There was a ton of Fiberglass work done on the actual structures of them and there are dremel marks where the actual hella lights hit on both pasenger and driver side buckets. Like I said.. this was the problem but I accepted your partial refund and put up with it.
08-04-10, 10:22 PM
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Hmm, would have liked to have known that originally. I was under the impression this whole time that you were just disappointed with the fact that the covers were peeling up and had air pockets(which is what i told/showed you.)
At the same time, i dont remember anything being too out of place when they were on my car. Aside from buying high end imported parts(FEED, Authentic RE, etc,) its very difficult to get OEM fitment from anything aftermarket. Something i think we all can agree on.
-Austin
At the same time, i dont remember anything being too out of place when they were on my car. Aside from buying high end imported parts(FEED, Authentic RE, etc,) its very difficult to get OEM fitment from anything aftermarket. Something i think we all can agree on.
-Austin
08-04-10, 10:51 PM
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So let me get this straight-
The Seller tells the Buyer that he wont ship fairly valueable parts without insurance, which is only 12 bucks, and does so in a courteous and fair manner. This seems a bit odd but honestly not out of line, I know I would not ship 1000 bucks worth of fragile parts without insurance.
The Buyer refuses to pay for the insurance and pulls the "I know how much it costs to ship" crap. I hate that BTW, because while you might know what it costs to do this or that, there are nicer ways to say it.
The Seller decides (IMHO rightly) that your a problem child and its easier and safer to just refund your money and move on with life.
Pissed because the Seller refunded you the money rather than cave to your "stubborness" and your good deal is gone, the Buyer resorts to doing whatever possible to cause trouble for the Seller, including reporting him to ebay, threats, etc.
The Seller, with the items still hanging around, decides to advertise them for sale. You respond, and when you figure out it is the same guy you do exactly what you did before- resort to threats and BS.
Nice.
IMHO, not that it means much, the Seller here did fine. At least he wanted to insure your package rather than ship valuable and fragile parts as cheap as possible and risk damage or loss. Since the Buyer proved impossible to work with, he chose to simply void the transaction.
Now, I see the Buyers point of view- he got a good deal and wanted to get it delivered as cheap as possible, and maybe its easier for him to say the Seller is unhappy over having to eat $12 than to admit that the Seller is doing the right thing and insisting on insuring the package and cough up $12 bucks for the security for both you and him. TRUST me that as a seller I cant imagine him not wanting to work with you if you had been at all willing to work with him rather than take $640 bucks, paypal fees etc, out of his wallet and give them back to you. OBVIOUSLY he did not have another buyer willing to give him more, or they wouldnt have been for sale later. Not sure about the friend story, might have just made it up, might have been a deal that fell through, who cares?
And then to harrass the Seller and threaten him? Pretty grown up, but honestly what should we expect from the Internet generation? Someone does you "wrong" and the first thing you think to do id to air it all out on the intraweb and prove what a "bad guy" he is. I dont know either of you but I have seen this same scenario on forum after forum and its just old.
To the seller- I get your side man, and I have a feeling if the Buyer had responded like an adult when informed as to the insurance you would have worked with the buyer rather than take $640 bucks out of your wallet.
To the buyer- who cares what you can get something shipped for, its bad form and worse manners to tell someone they should be able to ship for the same. Had you responded reasonably, I am sure something could have been worked out, and then you would have had your great deal on the oil coolers instead of harassing this guy all over the internet.
Lastly, I suck for having spent this many words saying all of this, but its getting old seeing the same thing all over the internet. Is there like a how-to video on how to trash people on forums out there? Bunch of whiney-asses sitting around a campfire giggling about how they are going to trash some poor bastard on the internet and how it will ruin his life and how cool they are for being able to string words into sentences to hurt someones feelings. Yay for the youth of America.
The Seller tells the Buyer that he wont ship fairly valueable parts without insurance, which is only 12 bucks, and does so in a courteous and fair manner. This seems a bit odd but honestly not out of line, I know I would not ship 1000 bucks worth of fragile parts without insurance.
The Buyer refuses to pay for the insurance and pulls the "I know how much it costs to ship" crap. I hate that BTW, because while you might know what it costs to do this or that, there are nicer ways to say it.
The Seller decides (IMHO rightly) that your a problem child and its easier and safer to just refund your money and move on with life.
Pissed because the Seller refunded you the money rather than cave to your "stubborness" and your good deal is gone, the Buyer resorts to doing whatever possible to cause trouble for the Seller, including reporting him to ebay, threats, etc.
The Seller, with the items still hanging around, decides to advertise them for sale. You respond, and when you figure out it is the same guy you do exactly what you did before- resort to threats and BS.
Nice.
IMHO, not that it means much, the Seller here did fine. At least he wanted to insure your package rather than ship valuable and fragile parts as cheap as possible and risk damage or loss. Since the Buyer proved impossible to work with, he chose to simply void the transaction.
Now, I see the Buyers point of view- he got a good deal and wanted to get it delivered as cheap as possible, and maybe its easier for him to say the Seller is unhappy over having to eat $12 than to admit that the Seller is doing the right thing and insisting on insuring the package and cough up $12 bucks for the security for both you and him. TRUST me that as a seller I cant imagine him not wanting to work with you if you had been at all willing to work with him rather than take $640 bucks, paypal fees etc, out of his wallet and give them back to you. OBVIOUSLY he did not have another buyer willing to give him more, or they wouldnt have been for sale later. Not sure about the friend story, might have just made it up, might have been a deal that fell through, who cares?
And then to harrass the Seller and threaten him? Pretty grown up, but honestly what should we expect from the Internet generation? Someone does you "wrong" and the first thing you think to do id to air it all out on the intraweb and prove what a "bad guy" he is. I dont know either of you but I have seen this same scenario on forum after forum and its just old.
To the seller- I get your side man, and I have a feeling if the Buyer had responded like an adult when informed as to the insurance you would have worked with the buyer rather than take $640 bucks out of your wallet.
To the buyer- who cares what you can get something shipped for, its bad form and worse manners to tell someone they should be able to ship for the same. Had you responded reasonably, I am sure something could have been worked out, and then you would have had your great deal on the oil coolers instead of harassing this guy all over the internet.
Lastly, I suck for having spent this many words saying all of this, but its getting old seeing the same thing all over the internet. Is there like a how-to video on how to trash people on forums out there? Bunch of whiney-asses sitting around a campfire giggling about how they are going to trash some poor bastard on the internet and how it will ruin his life and how cool they are for being able to string words into sentences to hurt someones feelings. Yay for the youth of America.
08-04-10, 11:13 PM
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So let me get this straight-
The Seller tells the Buyer that he wont ship fairly valueable parts without insurance, which is only 12 bucks, and does so in a courteous and fair manner. This seems a bit odd but honestly not out of line, I know I would not ship 1000 bucks worth of fragile parts without insurance.
The Buyer refuses to pay for the insurance and pulls the "I know how much it costs to ship" crap. I hate that BTW, because while you might know what it costs to do this or that, there are nicer ways to say it.
The Seller decides (IMHO rightly) that your a problem child and its easier and safer to just refund your money and move on with life.
Pissed because the Seller refunded you the money rather than cave to your "stubborness" and your good deal is gone, the Buyer resorts to doing whatever possible to cause trouble for the Seller, including reporting him to ebay, threats, etc.
The Seller, with the items still hanging around, decides to advertise them for sale. You respond, and when you figure out it is the same guy you do exactly what you did before- resort to threats and BS.
The Seller tells the Buyer that he wont ship fairly valueable parts without insurance, which is only 12 bucks, and does so in a courteous and fair manner. This seems a bit odd but honestly not out of line, I know I would not ship 1000 bucks worth of fragile parts without insurance.
The Buyer refuses to pay for the insurance and pulls the "I know how much it costs to ship" crap. I hate that BTW, because while you might know what it costs to do this or that, there are nicer ways to say it.
The Seller decides (IMHO rightly) that your a problem child and its easier and safer to just refund your money and move on with life.
Pissed because the Seller refunded you the money rather than cave to your "stubborness" and your good deal is gone, the Buyer resorts to doing whatever possible to cause trouble for the Seller, including reporting him to ebay, threats, etc.
The Seller, with the items still hanging around, decides to advertise them for sale. You respond, and when you figure out it is the same guy you do exactly what you did before- resort to threats and BS.
I was a sales executive, sales manager, and a Director of Sales before I decided to serve my country. Oh, and I was born in the 70s.
HE asked for more money after auction ended, reserve was met, and payment was sent. His request for more money for insurance wasn't until after payment was sent.
Wonder if this is the same kit?
https://www.rx7club.com/3rd-generation-rx-7-1993-2002-parts-99/mocal-dual-oil-coolers-lines-912291/
I have no problem with people flipping parts, or making a living. If you have shipped as much stuff as me, you would know how much it costs too.
My Ebay feedback is 3 x higher score than yours and 100% positive, because I am honest and have integrity. The threats were more in jest, but poor taste (I wouldn't waste my man power and resources on this guy). He just caught me in redeployment where I have all day to do nothing but surf the net while I wait to get home.
08-04-10, 11:22 PM
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I don't know show_off well enough to vouch for him but I will say he is a nice guy. During my transaction with show_off, I paid the extra insurance out of my own pocket even though I did not collect for it. He agreed on the purchase and shipping price. When I realized at the last minute the insurance on the package wasn't enough, I paid the rest. Having said that, Mark, alot of what you said is unnecessary buddy. You catch more flies with honey than with **** you know what I mean?
I disagree Walker. Insurance is important but Manny negged on the transaction. People keep mentioning the $12 bucks being a small amount to pay to not deal with all the trouble. If it really is that small of an amount and everyone thinks the buyer should pay, then it is just as small for the seller to do the same. I know it doesn't change anything now but Manny, you should have eaten the cost. During transactions, shipping should include insurance or at least be an option to include it or not. It is not something you work out after the agreement of the purchase. This mistake was also because of the seller's ignorance. The seller should have eaten the cost and learned from it.
08-04-10, 11:28 PM
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I am not going to go back and forth, because honestly I dont give a flying......
No one cares if you paid the second the auction ended or not. Why does that matter? BOTTOM LINE-
He doesnt ship without insurance, you refused insurance (rudely I might add) and he canceled the deal. HE TOOK THE MONEY OUT OF HIS POCKET AND GAVE IT BACK TO YOU! Some sales exec you are, no one I know wants to give money back once a deal has been made, especially over 12 bucks!
Anywho, on with my normal life, enjoy trashing people over the internet.
No one cares if you paid the second the auction ended or not. Why does that matter? BOTTOM LINE-
He doesnt ship without insurance, you refused insurance (rudely I might add) and he canceled the deal. HE TOOK THE MONEY OUT OF HIS POCKET AND GAVE IT BACK TO YOU! Some sales exec you are, no one I know wants to give money back once a deal has been made, especially over 12 bucks!
Anywho, on with my normal life, enjoy trashing people over the internet.
08-04-10, 11:36 PM
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OK I lied, one more comment, because I see your point here-
And not that I know Manny from Marty but I would like to think that had Show_off been at all reasonable in his reply something would have worked out. cant say for sure now, BUT when you respond to a courteous request with a **** YOU more often than not your the one going to get fucked. Again I cant speak for Manny, but who wants to pull $640 plus bucks out of thier wallet and give it back? Along with the paypal fees? More than $12 bucks in hassle alone.
I do not really dis-agree that Manny shouldnt have split the insurance or maybe even eaten it all together, BUT honestly if I got an email telling me what shipping and insurance is and telling me its too bad I screwed myself on an auction or sale they would get thier money back and I would never do business with them again.
I disagree Walker. Insurance is important but Manny negged on the transaction. People keep mentioning the $12 bucks being a small amount to pay to not deal with all the trouble. If it really is that small of an amount and everyone thinks the buyer should pay, then it is just as small for the seller to do the same.
I do not really dis-agree that Manny shouldnt have split the insurance or maybe even eaten it all together, BUT honestly if I got an email telling me what shipping and insurance is and telling me its too bad I screwed myself on an auction or sale they would get thier money back and I would never do business with them again.
08-04-10, 11:48 PM
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This is why I don't use Ebay anymore, at all, ever, for any reason. I did OK there for about a year, but then went through a string of purchases....well, not a string, I guess, but 4 in a row, where I paid for my purchases, but never received what I bought. It only cost me a few hundred bucks in total, but I have to say, the experience was frustrating as hell. And maybe a little humiliating, too, realizing I'd been screwed so easily. And E-bay does NOT reimburse you if the seller doesn't ship, or at least they didn't then (this was back around 97, maybe 98 I think). I wish I could find the old email traffic over that stuff. It all happened over just a couple of months.
Anyway, no E-bay for me, nope.
Anyway, no E-bay for me, nope.
08-04-10, 11:59 PM
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Again... I sent him a message on both ebay and E-mail before the auction had ended stating that the insurance had not been purchased and that whatever the final bid was to add the extra amount for shipping. He disregarded it completely, and sent rude messages had he simply replied with "oh, hey I forgot to add the insurance cost".. the coolers would have been in the mail the next day whether or not you sent the money.
So, clearly you have nothing to do, because I actually (embarrasingly) read through your entire post and noted that you altered a lot of your messages in your favor, and left out mine that would have easily cleared me. I have all my original messages saved incase anyone is truly interested in the differences. Maybe you should read up on rotaries or something rather than spending your entire day putting together a bloody disertation of a presentation on your most recent encounter.
Also, threats are for ignorant heathans, and i'm actually quite embarrassed that someone who were supposed to respect and honor as a nation is so immature. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt though.
DWalker... thank you for understanding how ridiculous this situation is. Simply put.. he's throwing a temper tantrum because after he rudely replied, I refuse to do business with such a person.
The only reason i'm still wasting time on this matter is because my reputation on this board means a lot to me.
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So, clearly you have nothing to do, because I actually (embarrasingly) read through your entire post and noted that you altered a lot of your messages in your favor, and left out mine that would have easily cleared me. I have all my original messages saved incase anyone is truly interested in the differences. Maybe you should read up on rotaries or something rather than spending your entire day putting together a bloody disertation of a presentation on your most recent encounter.
Also, threats are for ignorant heathans, and i'm actually quite embarrassed that someone who were supposed to respect and honor as a nation is so immature. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt though.
DWalker... thank you for understanding how ridiculous this situation is. Simply put.. he's throwing a temper tantrum because after he rudely replied, I refuse to do business with such a person.
The only reason i'm still wasting time on this matter is because my reputation on this board means a lot to me.
- ap
08-05-10, 01:00 AM
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Mark, threats don't go over well here man, in jest or not. It makes you look bad and based on what I know through our transaction, you're better than that. You really owe Manny an apology.