I had a bad expierence/Terrible Seller: Waachback
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What he's trying to tell you is that the CC company very well could do this:
"well, he paid the guy $2,180, but here we see that $200 was already credited back, so his refund will now be $1,980. That way he will have gotten the full amount back that he originally sent."
THAT is what he meant when he said "as long as the cc company doesnt figure in that 200 dollars..."--if the cc company does this, then obviously he wouldnt be sending you the $200 back.....think about it. If you need to, ask someone to help you understand.....
Dang, man, can ya hear me now? Do you finally get it? Jeez, why must you make every aspect of this issue a complete friggin battle from start to finish? Stop acting like he's trying to short-change you out of the $200 already and get a clue.
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What I was saying earlier was that I paid you 21xx, you refunded me 200 + 6 in pp fees. THAT REFUND went DIRECTLY to my cc as a "credit" I did not get anything in my paypal account from you explicitly. It came in the shape of a credit that was directly applied to my credit card.
And just because I love entertaining you oh so much, here are screenshots showing that I DID get a credit from paypal DIRECTLY to my CC and NEVER SAW THE MONEY IN MY ACCOUNT.
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I have been thinking about what you said about the PFC being dead, this jumps out at me, you said ***you were able to switch maps back and forth on the PFC*** I am no noob to tuning and PFCs, and as far as I know, YOU CANNOT READ AND WRITE to a dead PFC! The datalogit would not even be able to detect it!
I also found it weird that you waited OVER 1 MONTH to tell me that it was "not working". You also waited over 1 month to tell me that the box was damaged, convieniantly when you made this thread decided that you wanted return everything. If the box was truely damaged, I should have been notified as SOON as it arrived, NOT over one month later. Instead, you pmed me saying that you recieved everything fine! This is why the story still doesn't add up.
I still think that you do not know what you are doing in regards to the PFC. I want you to send the PFC to Texas, to my friend to get it tested, free of cost to you. He is friends with Steve Kan and lives 2 mins from his shop. The testing to see if the PFC works, or if you are just trying to screw me, will be done there.
I just recieved the chargeback from pay pal in the amount of $2160. If what you were saying was true (that it was deducted from your statement) the chargeback should have been $1960!
Please refund me my $200 as it has nothing to do with the transaction! And when you do, send me a money order because thanks to all this, my account is currently frozen.
I also found it weird that you waited OVER 1 MONTH to tell me that it was "not working". You also waited over 1 month to tell me that the box was damaged, convieniantly when you made this thread decided that you wanted return everything. If the box was truely damaged, I should have been notified as SOON as it arrived, NOT over one month later. Instead, you pmed me saying that you recieved everything fine! This is why the story still doesn't add up.
I still think that you do not know what you are doing in regards to the PFC. I want you to send the PFC to Texas, to my friend to get it tested, free of cost to you. He is friends with Steve Kan and lives 2 mins from his shop. The testing to see if the PFC works, or if you are just trying to screw me, will be done there.
I just recieved the chargeback from pay pal in the amount of $2160. If what you were saying was true (that it was deducted from your statement) the chargeback should have been $1960!
Please refund me my $200 as it has nothing to do with the transaction! And when you do, send me a money order because thanks to all this, my account is currently frozen.
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I also found it weird that you waited OVER 1 MONTH to tell me that it was "not working". You also waited over 1 month to tell me that the box was damaged, convieniantly when you made this thread decided that you wanted return everything. If the box was truely damaged, I should have been notified as SOON as it arrived, NOT over one month later. Instead, you pmed me saying that you recieved everything fine! This is why the story still doesn't add up.
I still think that you do not know what you are doing in regards to the PFC. I want you to send the PFC to Texas, to my friend to get it tested, free of cost to you. He is friends with Steve Kan and lives 2 mins from his shop. The testing to see if the PFC works, or if you are just trying to screw me, will be done there.
I just recieved the chargeback from pay pal in the amount of $2160. If what you were saying was true (that it was deducted from your statement) the chargeback should have been $1960!
Please refund me my $200 as it has nothing to do with the transaction! And when you do, send me a money order because thanks to all this, my account is currently frozen.
As a seller, whether you are a private individual or a large business, you will have times where you take a loss. No matter what you do to prevent it. Chalk it up to experience. It sucks, I've been there too. The best thing you can do is cut your losses and hope to have better luck next time.
It sounds like your packaging of the ECU could have been much improved upon. It should have been covered in an anti-static bag, wrapped in bubble wrap and then placed in it's own box with packing peanuts or cardboard. If you wanted to consolidate packages at that point it would have been acceptable to place it with the other parts.
Theo, a few questions for you:
What installation instructions did you use to install the PFC? Could you please provide an overview of how you installed it? Did you use a custom wiring harness that had possibly been reconfigured or wired differently?
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I didn't use a custom wiring harness, I used the one that was still in my car from probably 1992 or 1993...
The reason that I KNOW it is a PFC issue is because of the other PFC that we used to try my car out worked in the car with the now cut 4 wires, and this PFC didn't work in his.
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I have been thinking about what you said about the PFC being dead, this jumps out at me, you said ***you were able to switch maps back and forth on the PFC*** I am no noob to tuning and PFCs, and as far as I know, YOU CANNOT READ AND WRITE to a dead PFC! The datalogit would not even be able to detect it!
I also found it weird that you waited OVER 1 MONTH to tell me that it was "not working". You also waited over 1 month to tell me that the box was damaged, convieniantly when you made this thread decided that you wanted return everything. If the box was truely damaged, I should have been notified as SOON as it arrived, NOT over one month later. Instead, you pmed me saying that you recieved everything fine! This is why the story still doesn't add up.
I still think that you do not know what you are doing in regards to the PFC. I want you to send the PFC to Texas, to my friend to get it tested, free of cost to you. He is friends with Steve Kan and lives 2 mins from his shop. The testing to see if the PFC works, or if you are just trying to screw me, will be done there.
I just recieved the chargeback from pay pal in the amount of $2160. If what you were saying was true (that it was deducted from your statement) the chargeback should have been $1960!
Please refund me my $200 as it has nothing to do with the transaction! And when you do, send me a money order because thanks to all this, my account is currently frozen.
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For the installation of the PFC I first tried to just plug it into my car... Then called my friend "who owns a FD+PFC) and he told me that 4 wires needed to be snipped. I looked around and found a PDF on the PFC in the FD, it showed me which wires to cut. I cut them and tried again. Nothing again.
I didn't use a custom wiring harness, I used the one that was still in my car from probably 1992 or 1993...
The reason that I KNOW it is a PFC issue is because of the other PFC that we used to try my car out worked in the car with the now cut 4 wires, and this PFC didn't work in his.
I didn't use a custom wiring harness, I used the one that was still in my car from probably 1992 or 1993...
The reason that I KNOW it is a PFC issue is because of the other PFC that we used to try my car out worked in the car with the now cut 4 wires, and this PFC didn't work in his.
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I have been thinking about what you said about the PFC being dead, this jumps out at me, you said ***you were able to switch maps back and forth on the PFC*** I am no noob to tuning and PFCs, and as far as I know, YOU CANNOT READ AND WRITE to a dead PFC! The datalogit would not even be able to detect it!
I also found it weird that you waited OVER 1 MONTH to tell me that it was "not working". You also waited over 1 month to tell me that the box was damaged, convieniantly when you made this thread decided that you wanted return everything. If the box was truely damaged, I should have been notified as SOON as it arrived, NOT over one month later. Instead, you pmed me saying that you recieved everything fine! This is why the story still doesn't add up.
I still think that you do not know what you are doing in regards to the PFC. I want you to send the PFC to Texas, to my friend to get it tested, free of cost to you. He is friends with Steve Kan and lives 2 mins from his shop. The testing to see if the PFC works, or if you are just trying to screw me, will be done there.
I just recieved the chargeback from pay pal in the amount of $2160. If what you were saying was true (that it was deducted from your statement) the chargeback should have been $1960!
Please refund me my $200 as it has nothing to do with the transaction! And when you do, send me a money order because thanks to all this, my account is currently frozen.
I also found it weird that you waited OVER 1 MONTH to tell me that it was "not working". You also waited over 1 month to tell me that the box was damaged, convieniantly when you made this thread decided that you wanted return everything. If the box was truely damaged, I should have been notified as SOON as it arrived, NOT over one month later. Instead, you pmed me saying that you recieved everything fine! This is why the story still doesn't add up.
I still think that you do not know what you are doing in regards to the PFC. I want you to send the PFC to Texas, to my friend to get it tested, free of cost to you. He is friends with Steve Kan and lives 2 mins from his shop. The testing to see if the PFC works, or if you are just trying to screw me, will be done there.
I just recieved the chargeback from pay pal in the amount of $2160. If what you were saying was true (that it was deducted from your statement) the chargeback should have been $1960!
Please refund me my $200 as it has nothing to do with the transaction! And when you do, send me a money order because thanks to all this, my account is currently frozen.
This will be the last time that I talk to you on here, at this point you are just trying to anger me and accuse me of random things that are not true, or completely made up.
If you look through our conversations, you will note that I told you I was in school until the 20th or so and that I wasn't going to get a chance to look at the stuff until I made it home, this came up while I was buying the pulley kit and BOV from you.
I told you that the turbo didn't look that good on the 25th. 3 days after coming home from school.
15 days after I had a chance to just VISUALLY inspect the stuff, and 12 days later, from the inital message to you about the turbo, AND 10 days after you sent me the 200 dollar refund, I told you that the PFC was dead.
You argued with me, and argued with me, and STILL ARGUE WITH ME about me being wrong about the PFC.
I feel, I believe that roller feels, and anyone that has read this thread that I have extraneously tested the PFC, against two running cars, and 1 running PFC.
When I use the word "dead" I mean it doesn't get my car started. The PFC my not be what YOU consider dead with your *uber* skills, but for someone that knows a *little* about electronics, dead is considered "not working right."
For example when your LCD panel is broken but the blue light on the front still works, "we" would consider that dead/broken, if not then I apologize for the way I use/d the word dead, but dead to me means not working.
There is no way in hell you are going to be getting anything from me AT ALL until I get a judgment from my credit card company. Not 200 dollars, not 10 cents not even one penny. It's just not going to happen. I don't give a **** what you say or do, but my "object" now is to stay protected, in EVERY WAY POSSIBLE, which includes money exchanges, product exchanges, or any type of exchange.
I will respond one more time... why? just because I'm bored, at work and at home, and TBH making you look worse everyday on your own account, is just fun.
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You mean swapping "computers?"
No question I did.
If you mean before trying to start it with the PFC?
Pretty sure I didn't... that doesn't seem very logical, that every time I would want to start the car I had to disconnect the battery and reconnect it...
No question I did.
If you mean before trying to start it with the PFC?
Pretty sure I didn't... that doesn't seem very logical, that every time I would want to start the car I had to disconnect the battery and reconnect it...
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Theo, I am not at all trying to **** you off at all, I'm simply trying to aruge my side, as are you. No offense, but obviously, it seems that you do not know what you are doing in terms of the PFC. Yes you've claimed that you tested it with other cars, but it's clear that you're unsure about how to correctly install it. Questioning yourself, even questioning your friends.
Roller, he said the PFC was dead. Most people understand the meaning of dead as....nothing, completly broken. That is why I gave that response.
I see your point about "friends" however, steve kan is not my friend nor does he even know what is going on here. I was just going to have my friend drop it into his shop to verify that it is working. But that's besides the point, as oblique mentioned, what needs to happen is that the PFC would need to be returned to me, I then would be able to send it to a shop to verify that it works. That makes sense.
Roller, he said the PFC was dead. Most people understand the meaning of dead as....nothing, completly broken. That is why I gave that response.
I see your point about "friends" however, steve kan is not my friend nor does he even know what is going on here. I was just going to have my friend drop it into his shop to verify that it is working. But that's besides the point, as oblique mentioned, what needs to happen is that the PFC would need to be returned to me, I then would be able to send it to a shop to verify that it works. That makes sense.
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I have been thinking about what you said about the PFC being dead, this jumps out at me, you said ***you were able to switch maps back and forth on the PFC*** I am no noob to tuning and PFCs, and as far as I know, YOU CANNOT READ AND WRITE to a dead PFC! The datalogit would not even be able to detect it!
This is completely wrong! I have personally seen and handled a PFC that would load up, but not start the car. It was off a friends car that was worked on by Banzai. They verified also that the PFC was the culprit because when they swapped in another PFC, the car started.
I'm not trying to get involved with this mess, but just wanted to chime in and prove that a Dead PFC does NOT mean that it doesn't turn on and operate.
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Now that you have went as far as to file a charge back against me, there is no reason for me to further argue my side of the story....
Remember that? Try following your own words.
No offense, but obviously, it seems that you do not know what you are doing in terms of the PFC.
Yes you've claimed that you tested it with other cars, but it's clear that you're unsure about how to correctly install it. Questioning yourself, even questioning your friends.
Roller, he said the PFC was dead. Most people understand the meaning of dead as....nothing, completly broken. That is why I gave that response.
Case in point, THIS is how he described the problem with the PFC, from his first post:
I plugged in the PFC to get it running with that and nothing happened... I was thinking that it was because of the map that was installed on there so I put a new map on it. The stock mod base map. I loaded that map on there plugged it in and again.. nothing happened. I looked at the commander for some clues and it read everything fine.
Its been a while since I have seen someone on this forum that buries himself so far with every new post you make. Do yourself a favor and put a stop to it.
I see your point about "friends" however, steve kan is not my friend nor does he even know what is going on here. I was just going to have my friend drop it into his shop to verify that it is working.
But that's besides the point, as oblique mentioned, what needs to happen is that the PFC would need to be returned to me, I then would be able to send it to a shop to verify that it works. That makes sense
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Theo, I am not at all trying to **** you off at all, I'm simply trying to aruge my side, as are you. No offense, but obviously, it seems that you do not know what you are doing in terms of the PFC. Yes you've claimed that you tested it with other cars, but it's clear that you're unsure about how to correctly install it. Questioning yourself, even questioning your friends.
I see your point about "friends" however, steve kan is not my friend nor does he even know what is going on here. I was just going to have my friend drop it into his shop to verify that it is working. But that's besides the point, as oblique mentioned, what needs to happen is that the PFC would need to be returned to me, I then would be able to send it to a shop to verify that it works. That makes sense.
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A: I just pm'd you and Discover still says that it is pending new evidence.
B: EXTRA MONEY?!?!?! YOU SNAKY F***! THE REFUND WAS PROCESSED, NEW EVIDENCE WAS BROUGHT UP, I GOT A REFUND OF ONLY 1952.00 WHICH IS LESS THAN I WAS SUPPOSED TO GET!
Not by much mind you, only two dollars, but.... my. freaking. god. I can't believe that you have the ***** to ask for your "extra" money back, when I DON'T HAVE ANY!!!!!!!
C: I am back in school, I am a RA here this year so I don't have the option to go home anytime soon. And I'm NOT going to drive 5+ hours just to get you your stuff back, right away. As I said in the PM, I will POSSIBLY be going home around thanksgiving. I'm not sure yet, as this job has new demands and stipulations.
I will for SURE be going home around christmas time, but I am leaving for India, and will be VERY VERY VERY short of time. If we come to an agreement by then though, I can't see why it wouldn't get shipped.
D: You will need to pay for shipping. Our arrangements will need to be discussed on the PUBLIC forum, that way if for some reason something comes up, I will have hard evidence of our agreed method(s).
E: As far as shipping is concerned:
I will REQUIRE you to pay for the following:
Boxing, Insurance, Tracking, and the package will NEED to be signed for.
I will request, for your sake, that you pay for packing material and any misc. stuff I WILL NOT purchase any though if you decline.
Moderater(s), if any of my requests are unreasonable, please let me know, and I will do my absolute best to accomidate any changes you see fit.
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First off, calm down...that is what your credit card company told Pay Pal and what Pay Pal told me and you. Im just going off what they said.
There was 2 seperate transactions. The main one in which you got refunded for and the other one in which I gave you $200 back. I did not get this money back. You still have that money. You also said that you would "Glady send it back" when you are refunded for the main transaction.
Use that for the shipping/supplies and just Pay Pal me back the change.
There was 2 seperate transactions. The main one in which you got refunded for and the other one in which I gave you $200 back. I did not get this money back. You still have that money. You also said that you would "Glady send it back" when you are refunded for the main transaction.
Use that for the shipping/supplies and just Pay Pal me back the change.
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First off, calm down...that is what your credit card company told Pay Pal and what Pay Pal told me and you. Im just going off what they said.
There was 2 seperate transactions. The main one in which you got refunded for and the other one in which I gave you $200 back. I did not get this money back. You still have that money. You also said that you would "Glady send it back" when you are refunded for the main transaction.
Use that for the shipping/supplies and just Pay Pal me back the change.
There was 2 seperate transactions. The main one in which you got refunded for and the other one in which I gave you $200 back. I did not get this money back. You still have that money. You also said that you would "Glady send it back" when you are refunded for the main transaction.
Use that for the shipping/supplies and just Pay Pal me back the change.
I DO NOT HAVE ANY MONEY OF YOURS.
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Bumping this thread back up. Theo has been given a FULL REFUND over 6 months ago yet I still do not have my stuff back even when I have offered to pay the full price on shipping. He has made up excuses when I contact him and is now trying to ignore me.
I just want my stuff back.
I just want my stuff back.
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He filled a chargeback with his credit card company like he said he would and got all of his money AND all of my stuff. So the only proof I would have of that would be the PMs he sent me admiting that he did that and saying he would send my stuff back (which he did not). I can either take screen shots of them, or a moderator could look through them if thats possible. Thanks