rx7roller02

Dude, why do you have to make a train wreck out of everything?

What he's trying to tell you is that the CC company very well could do this:

"well, he paid the guy $2,180, but here we see that $200 was already credited back, so his refund will now be $1,980. That way he will have gotten the full amount back that he originally sent."

THAT is what he meant when he said "as long as the cc company doesnt figure in that 200 dollars..."--if the cc company does this, then obviously he wouldnt be sending you the $200 back.....think about it. If you need to, ask someone to help you understand.....

Dang, man, can ya hear me now? Do you finally get it? Jeez, why must you make every aspect of this issue a complete friggin battle from start to finish? Stop acting like he's trying to short-change you out of the $200 already and get a clue.

theo481

iTrader: (10)

Please do me a favor and chill out. I never said that I didn't get anything from you, I just dissagreed with how you said I got it.

What I was saying earlier was that I paid you 21xx, you refunded me 200 + 6 in pp fees. THAT REFUND went DIRECTLY to my cc as a "credit" I did not get anything in my paypal account from you explicitly. It came in the shape of a credit that was directly applied to my credit card.

And just because I love entertaining you oh so much, here are screenshots showing that I DID get a credit from paypal DIRECTLY to my CC and NEVER SAW THE MONEY IN MY ACCOUNT.

Theo

WaachBack

iTrader: (21)

I have been thinking about what you said about the PFC being dead, this jumps out at me, you said ***you were able to switch maps back and forth on the PFC*** I am no noob to tuning and PFCs, and as far as I know, YOU CANNOT READ AND WRITE to a dead PFC! The datalogit would not even be able to detect it!

I also found it weird that you waited OVER 1 MONTH to tell me that it was "not working". You also waited over 1 month to tell me that the box was damaged, convieniantly when you made this thread decided that you wanted return everything. If the box was truely damaged, I should have been notified as SOON as it arrived, NOT over one month later. Instead, you pmed me saying that you recieved everything fine! This is why the story still doesn't add up.

I still think that you do not know what you are doing in regards to the PFC. I want you to send the PFC to Texas, to my friend to get it tested, free of cost to you. He is friends with Steve Kan and lives 2 mins from his shop. The testing to see if the PFC works, or if you are just trying to screw me, will be done there.

I just recieved the chargeback from pay pal in the amount of $2160. If what you were saying was true (that it was deducted from your statement) the chargeback should have been $1960!

Please refund me my $200 as it has nothing to do with the transaction! And when you do, send me a money order because thanks to all this, my account is currently frozen.

ObliqueFD

iTrader: (32)

He was away at college and he said his parents opened the box to inspect it, hence the reason for the delay. They probably saw everything was accounted for and didn't appear to be damaged. When he told you he received everything fine, he just went on what his parents said. Ideally it would be best for him to inspect it as soon as possible, but one month is somewhat reasonable, especially when buying a lot of parts and finishing a semester at college.

Legally he needs to return everything to you. Once you receive it that is your responsibility to verify condition of the parts. Theo needs proof that everything was returned to you. Shipping to a different return address would not be evidence that the parts were returned.

Contact PayPal if Theo doesn't return your money like he said he would. Chill out for a few days, it takes time for money to be transferred between banks. I'm sure he will once everything clears.

Money orders can't be traced like PayPal transfers. Why should he risk you claiming you never got it? The $200 refund was conducted through PayPal and needs to be returned through PayPal. Don't make things more complicated than they need to be. It is PayPal's policy to freeze your account in a situation like this. You accepted the terms and conditions when becoming a member to PayPal. If you don't like it, don't use it.

As a seller, whether you are a private individual or a large business, you will have times where you take a loss. No matter what you do to prevent it. Chalk it up to experience. It sucks, I've been there too. The best thing you can do is cut your losses and hope to have better luck next time.

It sounds like your packaging of the ECU could have been much improved upon. It should have been covered in an anti-static bag, wrapped in bubble wrap and then placed in it's own box with packing peanuts or cardboard. If you wanted to consolidate packages at that point it would have been acceptable to place it with the other parts.


Theo, a few questions for you:

What installation instructions did you use to install the PFC? Could you please provide an overview of how you installed it? Did you use a custom wiring harness that had possibly been reconfigured or wired differently?

theo481

iTrader: (10)

For the installation of the PFC I first tried to just plug it into my car... Then called my friend "who owns a FD+PFC) and he told me that 4 wires needed to be snipped. I looked around and found a PDF on the PFC in the FD, it showed me which wires to cut. I cut them and tried again. Nothing again.

I didn't use a custom wiring harness, I used the one that was still in my car from probably 1992 or 1993...

The reason that I KNOW it is a PFC issue is because of the other PFC that we used to try my car out worked in the car with the now cut 4 wires, and this PFC didn't work in his.

rx7roller02

Seems to me that it would depend entirely on exactly what was wrong with it.....so lets stop trying to jump to conclusions on this.

You wouldnt have found this odd at all, if only you would have read his first post. He clearly explained that when the box arrived, his parents received it, and that he also didnt get home until May 20. You really need to lay off the caffeine or something....

Sorry, NOPE. In deals like this, I NEVER allow one party to use a "friend" for verification like that. It should be obvious why that is. And before you get your knickers in a twist over it, and try to claim that I am calling you a liar again or something, the same would go for him as well. why do you think that when he said he has friends who are on this forum that can verify everything, that I didnt even speak to them to find anything out? Because FRIENDS will often side with their buddy even if they dont know whats going on!


Again, calm the hell down already. He told you already that he wasnt sure how the cc company was going to handle that, and he also said that IF THEY REFUNDED THE FULL AMOUNT HE WOULD GLADLY SEND YOU YOUR $200 BACK. SO STOP CRYING ABOUT IT.

I agree with oblique--everything was done thru paypal and that makes it fully appropriate to deal with paypal for your refund. The freeze shouldnt be staying on your account for long anyways. Money orders can be tracked sometimes, but it can take them a long time to make it happen.

ObliqueFD

iTrader: (32)

Did you remember to disconnect the battery before starting?

theo481

iTrader: (10)

WaachBack,

This will be the last time that I talk to you on here, at this point you are just trying to anger me and accuse me of random things that are not true, or completely made up.

If you look through our conversations, you will note that I told you I was in school until the 20th or so and that I wasn't going to get a chance to look at the stuff until I made it home, this came up while I was buying the pulley kit and BOV from you.

I told you that the turbo didn't look that good on the 25th. 3 days after coming home from school.

15 days after I had a chance to just VISUALLY inspect the stuff, and 12 days later, from the inital message to you about the turbo, AND 10 days after you sent me the 200 dollar refund, I told you that the PFC was dead.

You argued with me, and argued with me, and STILL ARGUE WITH ME about me being wrong about the PFC.

I feel, I believe that roller feels, and anyone that has read this thread that I have extraneously tested the PFC, against two running cars, and 1 running PFC.

When I use the word "dead" I mean it doesn't get my car started. The PFC my not be what YOU consider dead with your *uber* skills, but for someone that knows a *little* about electronics, dead is considered "not working right."

For example when your LCD panel is broken but the blue light on the front still works, "we" would consider that dead/broken, if not then I apologize for the way I use/d the word dead, but dead to me means not working.

There is no way in hell you are going to be getting anything from me AT ALL until I get a judgment from my credit card company. Not 200 dollars, not 10 cents not even one penny. It's just not going to happen. I don't give a **** what you say or do, but my "object" now is to stay protected, in EVERY WAY POSSIBLE, which includes money exchanges, product exchanges, or any type of exchange.

I will respond one more time... why? just because I'm bored, at work and at home, and TBH making you look worse everyday on your own account, is just fun.

Theo

theo481

iTrader: (10)

You mean swapping "computers?"

No question I did.

If you mean before trying to start it with the PFC?

Pretty sure I didn't... that doesn't seem very logical, that every time I would want to start the car I had to disconnect the battery and reconnect it...

ObliqueFD

iTrader: (32)

I meant before starting the ECU installation.

WaachBack

iTrader: (21)

Theo, I am not at all trying to **** you off at all, I'm simply trying to aruge my side, as are you. No offense, but obviously, it seems that you do not know what you are doing in terms of the PFC. Yes you've claimed that you tested it with other cars, but it's clear that you're unsure about how to correctly install it. Questioning yourself, even questioning your friends.

Roller, he said the PFC was dead. Most people understand the meaning of dead as....nothing, completly broken. That is why I gave that response.

I see your point about "friends" however, steve kan is not my friend nor does he even know what is going on here. I was just going to have my friend drop it into his shop to verify that it is working. But that's besides the point, as oblique mentioned, what needs to happen is that the PFC would need to be returned to me, I then would be able to send it to a shop to verify that it works. That makes sense.

str8ryd

iTrader: (473)

This is completely wrong! I have personally seen and handled a PFC that would load up, but not start the car. It was off a friends car that was worked on by Banzai. They verified also that the PFC was the culprit because when they swapped in another PFC, the car started.


I'm not trying to get involved with this mess, but just wanted to chime in and prove that a Dead PFC does NOT mean that it doesn't turn on and operate.

WaachBack

iTrader: (21)

Good to know, and I stand corrected. That has never been the case for me and that is exactly why I said " as far as I know".

rx7roller02

You really need to stop arguing and take your own advice, as you posted yesterday:

Now that you have went as far as to file a charge back against me, there is no reason for me to further argue my side of the story....

Remember that? Try following your own words.


You are not in any position to make such a determination....especially since, no offense, but obviously it seems that you do not know what you are doing in terms of packing parts in a box safely.

This is the last time I am going to tell you. Stop beating a dead horse. He already did the chargeback. You are going to get your stuff back. That makes all of this crap you keep running on and on about completely pointless. Leave it at that already and stop pissing me off. The unit was tested, it failed both times. It was compared to a working PFC, with nothing else being changed except for that PFC. The car fired right up with the working PFC, and wouldnt start with the only thing changed being the swap to your PFC. You know what that means? It doesnt take a rocket scientist to understand that the PFC isnt working, chief. I have an easier time explaining things to my daughter, and she's 3....


You know, this is probably thr fourth or fifth time in this one thread where you could have been saved from looking so ignorant, if only you would just READ WHAT WAS POSTED before you speak.

Case in point, THIS is how he described the problem with the PFC, from his first post:

CLEARLY he stated that it would load a map. CLEARLY he stated that the Commander read fine. CLEARLY he told you everything that was going on. So GIVE THIS A REST. The term DOA is and has pretty much always been used to describe an item that does not work when the buyer receives it, NO MATTER THE EXTENT OF IT NOT WORKING. Most people clearly do NOT "understand dead as meaning nothing works at all". Think about it--if everything worked except for the connection between the PFC and the commander, would it still work as it should? USE YOUR HEAD, he didnt pay for a unit that "partially worked as it should", did he? DAMN you really need to stop coming up with these ridiculous arguments...

Its been a while since I have seen someone on this forum that buries himself so far with every new post you make. Do yourself a favor and put a stop to it.

And what would prevent your friend from swapping this exact unit, for example, with a working one? That's just a 'what-if' scenario, but it clearly illustrates why I dont take your friend's word for it, just like I dont in any of these cases.


Then stop crying, wait for it to get back to you, and deal with it then.

theo481

iTrader: (10)

I never questioned my friend's install, as his car works 100%. I only questioned MY install when YOUR PFC didn't work.

lawl


Kan just got done tuning the car that I pulled the map from to test with my PFC, so that map was good.

WaachBack

iTrader: (21)

Update: The credit card company decided in Theos favor and he was refunded all of his money. I would like all my stuff sent back to me including the extra money I sent to him.

theo481

iTrader: (10)

Woah nelly....

A: I just pm'd you and Discover still says that it is pending new evidence.

B: EXTRA MONEY?!?!?! YOU SNAKY F***! THE REFUND WAS PROCESSED, NEW EVIDENCE WAS BROUGHT UP, I GOT A REFUND OF ONLY 1952.00 WHICH IS LESS THAN I WAS SUPPOSED TO GET!

Not by much mind you, only two dollars, but.... my. freaking. god. I can't believe that you have the ***** to ask for your "extra" money back, when I DON'T HAVE ANY!!!!!!!

C: I am back in school, I am a RA here this year so I don't have the option to go home anytime soon. And I'm NOT going to drive 5+ hours just to get you your stuff back, right away. As I said in the PM, I will POSSIBLY be going home around thanksgiving. I'm not sure yet, as this job has new demands and stipulations.

I will for SURE be going home around christmas time, but I am leaving for India, and will be VERY VERY VERY short of time. If we come to an agreement by then though, I can't see why it wouldn't get shipped.

D: You will need to pay for shipping. Our arrangements will need to be discussed on the PUBLIC forum, that way if for some reason something comes up, I will have hard evidence of our agreed method(s).

E: As far as shipping is concerned:

I will REQUIRE you to pay for the following:

Boxing, Insurance, Tracking, and the package will NEED to be signed for.

I will request, for your sake, that you pay for packing material and any misc. stuff I WILL NOT purchase any though if you decline.

Moderater(s), if any of my requests are unreasonable, please let me know, and I will do my absolute best to accomidate any changes you see fit.

Theo

WaachBack

iTrader: (21)

First off, calm down...that is what your credit card company told Pay Pal and what Pay Pal told me and you. Im just going off what they said.

There was 2 seperate transactions. The main one in which you got refunded for and the other one in which I gave you $200 back. I did not get this money back. You still have that money. You also said that you would "Glady send it back" when you are refunded for the main transaction.

Use that for the shipping/supplies and just Pay Pal me back the change.

theo481

iTrader: (10)

Let me repeat my self.

I DO NOT HAVE ANY MONEY OF YOURS.

WaachBack

iTrader: (21)

Bumping this thread back up. Theo has been given a FULL REFUND over 6 months ago yet I still do not have my stuff back even when I have offered to pay the full price on shipping. He has made up excuses when I contact him and is now trying to ignore me.

I just want my stuff back.

rx7roller02

if you have proof of the refund, please send it to me or post it here, thanks

WaachBack

iTrader: (21)

He filled a chargeback with his credit card company like he said he would and got all of his money AND all of my stuff. So the only proof I would have of that would be the PMs he sent me admiting that he did that and saying he would send my stuff back (which he did not). I can either take screen shots of them, or a moderator could look through them if thats possible. Thanks

WaachBack

iTrader: (21)

If that is not enough, I can search through my pay pal logs that shows he filled a chargeback with his credit company against my account and got all his money back.

rx7roller02

Please do check your paypal logs, and get back to me. I am going to try to contact him now and see what his take is at this point....thanks

WaachBack

iTrader: (21)