Hose4dub Bad Seller!!!!
01-13-11, 07:39 PM
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Hose4dub Bad Seller!!!!
Long story short I bought a rear end one month a few weeks ago from a forum member hose4dub real name Jose...Single parent...
In another thread while looking for a GSL-SE rear end hose4dub had mad a post in that thread stating that he had a gsl-se rear end and if i was interested he was willing to sell to me...Through some back and forth pm's i made sure over and over and over again that it was a gsl-se rear end...He told me over and over and over again that yes it was gsl-se rear end...
When i got to house i asked him again many times if he was sure that it was gsl-se rear end he said yes...we waited a few minutes for his girlfriend to arrive to his parents house due to him not having any wheels to get to his storage where the rear end was located...
Went to the storage on the second floor...Rear was cropped standing up, all the end links were cut off which i didn't care about...The rear end had wheel adapters that converted the 4 lug bolt pattern to a 5 bolt pattern...
I thought that was pretty cool...He through them in the deal and sold me the entire rear end for $150...I asked him again before we moved out of the storage it was a gsl-se rear end he said yes, and that he had gotten the rear end from Dan from econo lube...We loaded the rear end into my truck, before departing ways he told that if anything was wrong to contact him and we could work things out...I said coo...went home didn't get to the rear till about 1 week or later...
I started to take the rear apart and only use the parts that i needed to replace the broken parts in my gsl-se rear end...When i took of the passanger side axle i notice how slim the axle was...I said to myself that doesn't make any sense...Gsl-se axles are thick and not slim ...I went ahead and took off the other axle and it was a thin axle too...gsl-se axles have thick axles, none gsl-se axles have thin axles...
I called right at that momment and told him what happen...He said that didn't make sense gsl and gsl-se are the same axles i said no, there not...gsl-se axles are thicker and heavier dutier...also the spline size is different and will not work...
So in the end it turned out that the rear end he sold me was gsl...I told him that i wanted my money back and i didn't want this to this to be an issue and carry on for two three weeks down the road trying to get my money back...He told me that he didn't have the money, he spent it already, and it would be a while till he could pay me...I told him if i sold the adapters would he be willing to pay me the difference, and i would just give the rear end back...
Before i sold the adapters ii wanted to make sure that bolt pattern was correct...I matched the 4 lug pattern to my gsl-se bolt pattern on my gsl-se rims to see if that matched they didn't...Which then also told me that the 4 bolt pattern was not a 4x114 and was in fact a 4x110...So the adapters that came with the rear end were a 4x110 and converted to a 5x114...I checked the 5 bolt lug pattern to my FC Vert wheels that are a 5x114, they fit...
Sold the adapters told him how much he owed me...He than said that is not what we agreed...I told him that i would try and sell them for a set amount if i couldnt i would get what i could get for them just to get my money back...Right there and then is when all contact with hose4dub started to not return my phone calls, texts, pm's, messages...I even went to his house Jan 2nd 2011 and told him that i would be at his house bright and early to speak with him and get my money back drop off the rear end and be done with the issue...
Well that didn't work out, he wasn't home, i ended up speaking with his mother, told her to call me, because i was being more than patient with this whole issue...
I then put the rear end for sale in the westcoast section for sale for $75 OBO wackyracer said he would take the rear end, so i was able to get my money back that way through a deal him and i had already had...It worked out for me but I ended up having to do all the work to get my money back by, selling parts, and all kinds of stuff...very very frustrating...
I told jose to please contact me time and time again and left many many message on his phone, and texts...never returned any of them except maybe one or two...None the less even up till now i don't even want to make this bad guy thread, but i could care less...His lack of immaturity, and lack of communication, return my money so on and so forth was more aggrivating if anything...
The whole bad part of this was his lack of communication and hiding from me, and in the end not returning my messages, texts, phone calls, so on and so forth...
Pictures to follow
Can't really say if he is or is not a bad seller, im just upset i had to sell all the parts myself to get my money back due his lack of funds and personal issues and excuses to pay me back...
Sorry Hose4dub but i think in all fairness i was more than patient with you, so it is what it is...
Just a word of advice hose4dub please next time due a little research and truly look into the parts you sell in the future to avoid any issues with other buyer here on the forum or outside...
Picture info....
First picture shows the wheel adapter that are not in fact a 4x114 but are a 4x110 from a 1979-1984 "NONE" GSL-SE bolt pattern
Second picture is what the rear end looked like with the end links cut when i picked it from hose4dub
Third Picture show the Two NONE gls-se axles on the left as compared to my gsl-se axle on the right...As one can see the axles from a gsl-se are thicker!!!
Fourth Picture show the difference in size between a gsl-se and the none gsl-se axle from a top view...the axle with the back plate is my gsl-se axle being compered to the none gsl-se axle
In another thread while looking for a GSL-SE rear end hose4dub had mad a post in that thread stating that he had a gsl-se rear end and if i was interested he was willing to sell to me...Through some back and forth pm's i made sure over and over and over again that it was a gsl-se rear end...He told me over and over and over again that yes it was gsl-se rear end...
When i got to house i asked him again many times if he was sure that it was gsl-se rear end he said yes...we waited a few minutes for his girlfriend to arrive to his parents house due to him not having any wheels to get to his storage where the rear end was located...
Went to the storage on the second floor...Rear was cropped standing up, all the end links were cut off which i didn't care about...The rear end had wheel adapters that converted the 4 lug bolt pattern to a 5 bolt pattern...
I thought that was pretty cool...He through them in the deal and sold me the entire rear end for $150...I asked him again before we moved out of the storage it was a gsl-se rear end he said yes, and that he had gotten the rear end from Dan from econo lube...We loaded the rear end into my truck, before departing ways he told that if anything was wrong to contact him and we could work things out...I said coo...went home didn't get to the rear till about 1 week or later...
I started to take the rear apart and only use the parts that i needed to replace the broken parts in my gsl-se rear end...When i took of the passanger side axle i notice how slim the axle was...I said to myself that doesn't make any sense...Gsl-se axles are thick and not slim ...I went ahead and took off the other axle and it was a thin axle too...gsl-se axles have thick axles, none gsl-se axles have thin axles...
I called right at that momment and told him what happen...He said that didn't make sense gsl and gsl-se are the same axles i said no, there not...gsl-se axles are thicker and heavier dutier...also the spline size is different and will not work...
So in the end it turned out that the rear end he sold me was gsl...I told him that i wanted my money back and i didn't want this to this to be an issue and carry on for two three weeks down the road trying to get my money back...He told me that he didn't have the money, he spent it already, and it would be a while till he could pay me...I told him if i sold the adapters would he be willing to pay me the difference, and i would just give the rear end back...
Before i sold the adapters ii wanted to make sure that bolt pattern was correct...I matched the 4 lug pattern to my gsl-se bolt pattern on my gsl-se rims to see if that matched they didn't...Which then also told me that the 4 bolt pattern was not a 4x114 and was in fact a 4x110...So the adapters that came with the rear end were a 4x110 and converted to a 5x114...I checked the 5 bolt lug pattern to my FC Vert wheels that are a 5x114, they fit...
Sold the adapters told him how much he owed me...He than said that is not what we agreed...I told him that i would try and sell them for a set amount if i couldnt i would get what i could get for them just to get my money back...Right there and then is when all contact with hose4dub started to not return my phone calls, texts, pm's, messages...I even went to his house Jan 2nd 2011 and told him that i would be at his house bright and early to speak with him and get my money back drop off the rear end and be done with the issue...
Well that didn't work out, he wasn't home, i ended up speaking with his mother, told her to call me, because i was being more than patient with this whole issue...
I then put the rear end for sale in the westcoast section for sale for $75 OBO wackyracer said he would take the rear end, so i was able to get my money back that way through a deal him and i had already had...It worked out for me but I ended up having to do all the work to get my money back by, selling parts, and all kinds of stuff...very very frustrating...
I told jose to please contact me time and time again and left many many message on his phone, and texts...never returned any of them except maybe one or two...None the less even up till now i don't even want to make this bad guy thread, but i could care less...His lack of immaturity, and lack of communication, return my money so on and so forth was more aggrivating if anything...
The whole bad part of this was his lack of communication and hiding from me, and in the end not returning my messages, texts, phone calls, so on and so forth...
Pictures to follow
Can't really say if he is or is not a bad seller, im just upset i had to sell all the parts myself to get my money back due his lack of funds and personal issues and excuses to pay me back...
Sorry Hose4dub but i think in all fairness i was more than patient with you, so it is what it is...
Just a word of advice hose4dub please next time due a little research and truly look into the parts you sell in the future to avoid any issues with other buyer here on the forum or outside...
Picture info....
First picture shows the wheel adapter that are not in fact a 4x114 but are a 4x110 from a 1979-1984 "NONE" GSL-SE bolt pattern
Second picture is what the rear end looked like with the end links cut when i picked it from hose4dub
Third Picture show the Two NONE gls-se axles on the left as compared to my gsl-se axle on the right...As one can see the axles from a gsl-se are thicker!!!
Fourth Picture show the difference in size between a gsl-se and the none gsl-se axle from a top view...the axle with the back plate is my gsl-se axle being compered to the none gsl-se axle
01-24-11, 11:24 AM
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OK, heres what I have so far...
teddy--let me guess....the adapter set was from re speed? Read this thread:
https://www.rx7club.com/west-sale-wanted-classifieds-195/84-gsl-rear-end-good-condition-926804/
Apparently, he KNEW that this was a GSL rear end. he tried to sell it and got no responses in the thread. That was last October. I mean, it IS possible that these are two different rear ends, but not quite so likely....
I'm at least glad that you got your money back for these parts. Notice this--he spent all that time whining about how the adapters were worth more than $75. but in this thread he was willing to let them go for $50.
I'm going to address this on his profile messages in a minute...
EDIT--my best guess is that since he thought that the axles were the same, he thought he could offload this and it wouldnt make a difference.
teddy--let me guess....the adapter set was from re speed? Read this thread:
https://www.rx7club.com/west-sale-wanted-classifieds-195/84-gsl-rear-end-good-condition-926804/
Apparently, he KNEW that this was a GSL rear end. he tried to sell it and got no responses in the thread. That was last October. I mean, it IS possible that these are two different rear ends, but not quite so likely....
I'm at least glad that you got your money back for these parts. Notice this--he spent all that time whining about how the adapters were worth more than $75. but in this thread he was willing to let them go for $50.
I'm going to address this on his profile messages in a minute...
EDIT--my best guess is that since he thought that the axles were the same, he thought he could offload this and it wouldnt make a difference.
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01-24-11, 04:58 PM
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thats the issue I had to make a thread in the first gen section asking about those adapters to find out what the lug nut pattern was...Took them to a wheel shop and had them verified, for both the 4 lug and the 5 lug conversion....I never did find out who sold them or what website or web company...I have made a thread in the first gen section aking about those adapters to find information...
I sold them to a forum member and before i sold them i made sure that the person buying them was getting what he was paying for..before i closed the deal on the sale for the adapters.turned out in the end the wheel lug pattern was not a 4x114.3 bolt pattern...
The adapters turned out to be 4x110 for a first gen 12a none 13b gsl-se that converted it to a 5x114.3 bolt pattern, and lucky for me and for the forum member those were what the customer was looking for...
This was another issue or topic... hose4dub said he was going to get the information for me when none of the parts from that rear end started to he said we would work out the issues, and he also said he was going to find out where those adapters came from,...If you look in his profile we have a back and forth convo going on about this issue, and how how all of sudden it is my fault that i didn't take a closer look at the item, and the rear end before i bought it...
I drove all the way the **** out to his house mom and dads house, had to stand around and listen to his bull **** sob stories about him losing his job, breaking up with his girl, his daughter blah blah blah...I was respectful at the time, and i was more than willing to work this out with his broke *** to fix the issue...I even held off on making this bad guy thread cuz i don't believe in this...Bad guy threads can take a very long time to recover from when a sell goes sour!!!
I have a empty 12a rear end housing sitting here at my house taking up space...I want to drop that **** off at his house becuase i have no use for it...
I was able to sell the axle that are also none universial there 12a thin axles small spline sold to another local 12a rotarist here in san diego...
I sold the calipers, rotors which were two different rotors by the way, and the diff to wacky who inspectected the parts and also confirmed that there not gsl-se...even tho i already knew, i just want proof for this thread...Because "jose" still claims that the 12a and 13b are all the same or what ever he was trying to claim...
Also what really pissed me off is that i told him i was going to be at his house jan 2nd which was a sunday to speak with him and confront him...But i guess he got scared and decided to leave...His mother answered the door and told me that he was not there, and she even told me that those were the correct parts as said by jose...
I will be heading back to his house unexpected when he least knows it, and hopefully i will run into the whole damn family...
He has other parts there he is trying to sell, so please beware and don't take his words for it..
I sold them to a forum member and before i sold them i made sure that the person buying them was getting what he was paying for..before i closed the deal on the sale for the adapters.turned out in the end the wheel lug pattern was not a 4x114.3 bolt pattern...
The adapters turned out to be 4x110 for a first gen 12a none 13b gsl-se that converted it to a 5x114.3 bolt pattern, and lucky for me and for the forum member those were what the customer was looking for...
This was another issue or topic... hose4dub said he was going to get the information for me when none of the parts from that rear end started to he said we would work out the issues, and he also said he was going to find out where those adapters came from,...If you look in his profile we have a back and forth convo going on about this issue, and how how all of sudden it is my fault that i didn't take a closer look at the item, and the rear end before i bought it...
I drove all the way the **** out to his house mom and dads house, had to stand around and listen to his bull **** sob stories about him losing his job, breaking up with his girl, his daughter blah blah blah...I was respectful at the time, and i was more than willing to work this out with his broke *** to fix the issue...I even held off on making this bad guy thread cuz i don't believe in this...Bad guy threads can take a very long time to recover from when a sell goes sour!!!
I have a empty 12a rear end housing sitting here at my house taking up space...I want to drop that **** off at his house becuase i have no use for it...
I was able to sell the axle that are also none universial there 12a thin axles small spline sold to another local 12a rotarist here in san diego...
I sold the calipers, rotors which were two different rotors by the way, and the diff to wacky who inspectected the parts and also confirmed that there not gsl-se...even tho i already knew, i just want proof for this thread...Because "jose" still claims that the 12a and 13b are all the same or what ever he was trying to claim...
Also what really pissed me off is that i told him i was going to be at his house jan 2nd which was a sunday to speak with him and confront him...But i guess he got scared and decided to leave...His mother answered the door and told me that he was not there, and she even told me that those were the correct parts as said by jose...
I will be heading back to his house unexpected when he least knows it, and hopefully i will run into the whole damn family...
He has other parts there he is trying to sell, so please beware and don't take his words for it..
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01-24-11, 09:30 PM
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Teddy, I would advise against going back to his house. At this point, you would only be asking for a problem to happen. You already sold the parts and got your money back for them. honestly, I would put it behind you. This thread makes the point quite clearly about what has taken place. Worse case, you can bless someone with a free diff housing if you dont want to sell it....someone out there can make use of it, I know. But at this point, you have been able to cut your losses, which is very rare in these situations. It is time to move on and let this one go. I would hate to see this turn into a real-life pissing match with people getting in trouble with the cops and all of that nonsense....
01-24-11, 11:35 PM
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Teddy, I would advise against going back to his house. At this point, you would only be asking for a problem to happen. You already sold the parts and got your money back for them. honestly, I would put it behind you. This thread makes the point quite clearly about what has taken place. Worse case, you can bless someone with a free diff housing if you dont want to sell it....someone out there can make use of it, I know. But at this point, you have been able to cut your losses, which is very rare in these situations. It is time to move on and let this one go. I would hate to see this turn into a real-life pissing match with people getting in trouble with the cops and all of that nonsense....
I only respond to this thread when somebody makes a post...
Please correct me if I'm wrong...but as of right now im the one with the upper hand, and for somebody who fucked somebody over on some parts, and then that person knows where that person lives...wouldn't that person who sold the wrong parts, and is willing to not work **** out NOT be talking ****??...Cause i will show up to his house and see how big his yap is then...I did it once, and he was not there his mother answered...Im just saying...
its like that saying, poke a bear long enough, he will react...
Thank you roller 7 for taking time to look into this thread...i asked another mod for advice before i made this bad guy thread because im so against them...So i thank you for taking time to look into this....
01-25-11, 11:42 AM
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Here is the conversation going on in his personal profile...
Im pretty much done with the issues, I got plenty of my own evidence that i have been keeping for my records...Text's, addy's, names, all his cars...just for my own record and future reference...
I guess he tried to sell the rear end as something else in a seperate thread before he sold it to me as a gsl-se rear end...
thanks rx7 roller
Im pretty much done with the issues, I got plenty of my own evidence that i have been keeping for my records...Text's, addy's, names, all his cars...just for my own record and future reference...
I guess he tried to sell the rear end as something else in a seperate thread before he sold it to me as a gsl-se rear end...
thanks rx7 roller
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I was the other forum member who received the adapters. I can personally confirm that they are 4x110 to 5x114.3. The adapters came off a GSL rear end.
Teddy also went out of his way to double check the bolt patterns twice for me before shipping. The entire transaction was silky smooth, great communication, etc.
Hose4Dub advertised this as a GSL-SE, and he owes Teddy some cash and an apology.
Otherwise, I believe a perma-ban is in order. Ripping off another forum member should not be tolerated.
Hose4Dub was last active on the 27th, which means he is still here. Perhaps someone could direct his attention this way? Mods?
--Mike
Teddy also went out of his way to double check the bolt patterns twice for me before shipping. The entire transaction was silky smooth, great communication, etc.
Hose4Dub advertised this as a GSL-SE, and he owes Teddy some cash and an apology.
Otherwise, I believe a perma-ban is in order. Ripping off another forum member should not be tolerated.
Hose4Dub was last active on the 27th, which means he is still here. Perhaps someone could direct his attention this way? Mods?
--Mike
05-19-11, 05:03 PM
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Teddy, I would advise against going back to his house. At this point, you would only be asking for a problem to happen. You already sold the parts and got your money back for them. honestly, I would put it behind you. This thread makes the point quite clearly about what has taken place. Worse case, you can bless someone with a free diff housing if you dont want to sell it....someone out there can make use of it, I know. But at this point, you have been able to cut your losses, which is very rare in these situations. It is time to move on and let this one go. I would hate to see this turn into a real-life pissing match with people getting in trouble with the cops and all of that nonsense....
which is why people like him should not be allowed to sell for a certain amount of time...
what a little you know what he is..this forum is full of politics and a bunch of crap...like the other guy hyperperformance or what ever his damn forum name is that that ripped me off on a NONE WORkING TURBO II TRANNY!!!
What a bunch of BS...Yeah i got my money back but i had to sell parts and travel here and travel there to make the sales right and just!!! such bs
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