lov-2-rev

iTrader: (87)

I'm starting this thread due to the fact that I feal I'm getting screwed by this guy.
~You be the judge.~

To start with, soulja77(Mike) had a FS thread where he advertised a few parts including a s5 turbo lip.

https://www.rx7club.com/showthread.php?t=785381

My friend was interested in this piece for his car, so I got in touch with Mike via PM. The pic in his FS thread on CraigsList was kinda small so I asked for a better shot. He had no problem emailing me a high-res pic. This is what I got....



Doesn't look bad, just needs some minor clean-up and paint. However, I noticed what looks like some damage to one of the mounting flanges. So I specifically asked him in this PM........

https://www.rx7club.com/private.php?...m&pmid=5057170

As you can see, he flat-out tells me there is no damage except for some oblong bolt holes that need washers. He also suggests it be installed by a professional.

-No biggie. I agree to the deal and send him the money.

He tells me he received my payment, but restates that,"it should be installed by a professional body guy" in this PM.
https://www.rx7club.com/private.php?...m&pmid=5058335

-O.K. No problem with that. My friend runs his own body shop. I think we can handle a few wonky bolt holes.
But I was getting a little suspicious at this point.

It took about a week for him to package and ship the lip, which wasn't a problem. And he did forward the tracking info to me as I requested.
Unfortunatly, when the lip arrived, I was less then thrilled with its condition.





-Motherfu@&er!! You've gotta be kidding me!!! And after I specifically asked him too!

I sent Mike a cordial yet firm message and his responce was........

https://www.rx7club.com/private.php?...m&pmid=5086419

Then I called his bluff and also told him nicely that $30 wouldn't cover the time and materials needed to make the necessary repairs, in this PM.
Hell, the tube of 2-part urethane fusor needed is $50-60 by itself.

https://www.rx7club.com/private.php?...m&pmid=5088711

To this, I got no responce.

I sent Mike a few messages to try and resolve this situation, but after repeatedly blowing me off for a week, I felt I had no other choice but to open a dispute with Paypal. He immediatly responded to that with a refusal to pay the requested amount of $50 and made a counter offer of only $20. And his disclaimer statment is,"well I sent you a high res picture."

-WTF?! You have got to be kidding me!!

I don't think I am asking for too much here.
~Do you?~



-Jesse

F1blueRx7

iTrader: (5)

We can't read your PM's if we're not logged in as you. Please post your password so we can read them

J/k

Unfortunately paypal will only help you if he didn't ship anything. He could have shipped you a brick as long as he has a tracking number paypal will not help you.

lov-2-rev

iTrader: (87)

^Aw damnit, sorry. I didn't realize that.

-Well, this was his responce to me questioning the condition.....


This was his responce after I sent payment to him........

-This is what transpired after I received the lip.......



-Having to take the time to make the repair on my end of the deal is one thing........but hiding behind the disclaimer excuse "I sent you a picture" is the biggest kick to the crotch.

Chedstar

He took the photo from the most "advantageous angle" that is for sure. When I looked at the photo, he sent you, I did not notice the "broken" center mounting section, only the oblong holes. The photo you provided is the angle he should have provided to you. Going back to the original photo you can then see the damaged center section. He was definitely trying to hide in plain sight the damage, so he would have an out with you.

Whenever I have sold anything online, I make sure to take a close up picture of any imperfection. Whenever I have bought anything, I always ask for multiple photo angles.

rx7goomba

Yes...that fusor material is is pretty expensive. I had to use it on a headlight cover and headlight housing on a similar bullshit transaction with dhahlen. Hopefully this guy will help you out with the cost of materials at least. If not.....his blatant regard to hide the condition of the part he's trying to sell should get his *** a vacation from forum.

lov-2-rev

iTrader: (87)

Well, as F1blue mentioned, Paypal can't do anything as long as I received the item. They don't make rulings on an item's condition.

As for soulja77 "helping me out", I doubt that is going to happen. He has already taken advantage of me. Why would he go back and refund any money now?

I just hope no one else gets burned by this guy.

soulja77

Sounds like a Palin conversation... one sided and half truths.

1) i sent you a large picture (5MB+). You could have asked for more pics. I wasnt even planning on shipping this product, it was for local sale (craigslist toronto site). Packing and shipping were ridiculously expensive, yet i covered the costs.
2) told you it wasnt perfect and had a rip.
3) sold it to you for dirt cheap. These lips go for 200+
4) even offered you almost 20% of your money back, but you were greedy and wanted this lip pretty much for free.

pauli311

iTrader: (2)

It looks entirely fixable and anytime anyone says damage - buyer BEWARE. It appears soulja did inform you. You know a little bit of fiberglassing and sanding will fix that. If you are half the car guy you would appear to be, you would just accept it as lesson learned especially after the fact that the seller promised to refund 20% of your cash.

It does not appear to be an act of deception and shipping is killer.



It sounds to me like another cranky New Yorker.

By the way I have no affiliation with soulja or have I ever spoke to him before.

The credit he offered you, especially after your deal price should be more than enough to satisfy you. That is enough to go buy the fiberglassing material (or epoxy) and get the job done.


Correct me if I missed something.

soulja77

If you look at my treads, you will know i sold off all aftermarket parts that i had, because i didnt use them and that i could use some pocket cash for my trip to japan.

I even told this guy i would find his JDM RHD FC3S parts for him while i was here (in Chiba, Japan)....

Then i get this email from him that he is disappointed in the product. I offered him a portion of the money back, being a good seller that i am (1000 plus paypal transactions, internationally verified), and then he asks for 160% more than the amount i offer him. I am glad i shipped this with a tracking number, as this guy seems like he knows the paypal loopholes very well.

He leaves out key messages from his emails, thus making me look like a bad seller...

All this B.S. was not worth the time it took for me to pack this item. yOu know bubble wrap is not cheap!

Rotary?Cool

Originally Posted by soulja77
hmm, no damage, the only 'damage' is probable the bolt holes, as the are overextended and you will need a washer to install them.

If this comment was made by Mike then he definetly understated the damage to the bolt holes. Overextended? most. Broken? A couple, which is visable in the first pic. Since the damage to the driverside mounting bolts is obvious in the pic he sent I think the $20 covers the damage for the one hole that was not disclosed. How did you plan on mounting the driverside to the fender with no holes? So you got a s5 lip in alright condition for $80. Live and learn.

lov-2-rev

iTrader: (87)

1) We all can see the pic you provided Mike. It wouldn't have mattered if you sent me a 500MB picture, it didn't show the damage.

What difference does it make if you were selling locally or internationally?
I asked you for a price shipped to my address. You promptly replied with a total. I sent you the requested amount.
I didn't beat around the bush or try to chew you down on the price. I didn't ask you to cover the shipping expenses.
Don't make it sound like I asked you to bend over backwards. I gave you what you asked for.
Who's fault is it for not getting an accurate shipping quote Mike? Your's.
If you had come back to me and said, "Hay, I screwed up on the shipping quote. It will be $XX.xx more." I would have either given you the additional amount or told you "no deal" and asked for my money back. But nothing was mentioned other then, "Didnt realize how difficult packing would be!"

2) I pointedly asked you if it had any damage and you told me "No". You sure as hell didn't tell me it was split. If you had, I would not have purchased it.

3) What does the purchase price have to do with the fact that you were blatantly deceitful?

4) In the end you offered me a $20 refund Mike. That will cover about 1/4 of the material cost to repair the damage you lied about. I thought we could meet in the middle at $50, but apparently not. Considering I was sold a lip that was represented as being in good usable condition, I don't see that as being greedy whatsoever.

As for wanting this lip for free???? Lets do the math..................

$120 (price for the lip shipped)
+$90 (materials for repair)
+ minimum of 2 hours labor for repairs @ $50 per hour
-----------------
= $310

Lets say Mike gave me the $50 refund I asked for...........

$310
- $50
-------
= $260

I'm still well above the "fair market value" of a used s5 lip.



Yah, your one hell of a stand up guy.

Well, this transaction has been quite the learning experience for me Mike. Don't you dare try to drag my reputation through the mud. I'm no shyster.

I haven't left out anything. In fact, I have every message involving this transaction saved. Shall I post up every single corrispondance for everyone to read? Or will my rep as an honest guy be enough?

lol. Stop trying to distract everyone from the main issue with a few dollars worth of bubble wrap.


Sure it is, but so is the Titanic.......
The point is, who wants to be stuck with repairing a part that's supposed to be usable? I sure don't.

Oh boy, talk about stereotyping. Do you assume all New Yorkers are from the city?
Actually, I'm one of the most layed back, easygoing country guys you're likely to ever meet. Doesn't meen I won't react when someone is trying to take advantage of me.


Not sure when you bought any 2-part products last, but $20 doesn't go far. As I mentioned, a tube of urathane fusor is $50-$60 by itself.

One hole? I'm more concerned with the middle flange that is falling off. Working with a few shitty bolt holes is one thing. Having to reconstruct most of the lip is an entirly different matter.

Considering I was led to believe the lip was intact, a bolt and a big 'ol fender washer would have sufficed. With the rest of the damage that Mike didn't disclose, that "quick fix" sure won't work now.

Wrong. I got a s5 lip (in marginal condition, at best) for $120 and haven't received a penny in refund.
Live and learn, I agree with you there.

89fc3sT2

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Srry to hear this Jess. Freakin bad **** happen to the best of people. Hope everything works out man


Trini

lov-2-rev

iTrader: (87)

Amazing. Still no responce from Mike.
He tried to open an unnecessary BG thread against me which was promptly deleated by a mod. Now he doesn't even have the nards to defend his actions here. Is it hibernation time in Toronto already?

Thanks for stickin' it to me buddy.
You're a real class act!