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Old 07-06-08, 02:55 PM
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Disappointing Transaction with dhahlen

Here's the original for sale/trade link...


https://www.rx7club.com/showthread.php?t=754402


Basically the details were i'd sell my evo-r lights to him for $450 in exchange for his stock headlights.

Without stock lights...i was going to sell them for $575. But i really wanted to just a good set of stock

headlights in trade.Prior to the trade...dhahlen informed me that the drivers side headlight cover had a couple

of cracks it.The tab which holds the cover on was useless since it was one of the cracks. I agreed on taking

that cover if he supplied me the funds ($30) to fix it with a plastic fusor material(PLIOGRIP). In which im

able to try and fix the tab on the cover. So he sends me $485 and we do the deal.


Now the headlights i received from dhahlen were in decent looking shape. After spending 3 hours prepping/fixing

the headlight cover tab that was damaged i goto test fit the lights. Thats when i find out that the drivers

side headlight housing is cracked & warped. It wasnt easy to see the damage on them until you install the light

and open them up.


Here you can easily see how the tab is warped and sticking out.


Here's a picture of the passenger side...and you can see how that tab is supposed to be.








So i contact dhahlen about this and he told me he would contact FritzFlynn on the forum and see if he can find

another headlight housing. Well after 2 weeks of waiting i decided to go ahead and possibly try and fix the

cracked/warped tab thats sticking out causing it to rub. All i asked was for him to cover the cost on the

materials i needed to "TRY" and fix it. I was willing to call it a done deal then. The material cost was about

$60. I provided all the links showing him what i needed and how much it would cost. So i figured i was doing

him a favor by not having to source out another headlight or take the his stock lights back and him paying me

the full amount. I contacted him on Wed, 21 May 2008 about this problem. And still have not received anything

from dhahlen.





Here's 1 email i sent describing the problem....



Thursday, June 5, 2008, 6:52 PM

"Did you get my last email about fixing the lights? Here it is again...let me know asap.


Well the only other option is that i could try is cutting off that bad peice on the light housing and make a

new tab for it. Seems kinda drastic....but finding a seperate drivers side light is hard to find i guess. I

want to get this project wrapped up so i dont have to worry about my headlights anymore. I cant drive at night

without the trim peice on or the headlight cover will fly off.

The stuff i have to use isnt cheap. Its the ONLY thing that could possibly work if i go that route. The stuffs

called Pliogrip...made by valvoline. But you have to use an fiberglass Adhesion Promoter also. Heres the 2

links of what im talking about. The body shop i worked at doesnt keep it in stock. They order it for each car

they need to use it for. These are the 2 cheapest places i've found it. Its actually cheaper to buy it from

here than it is on the bodyshops discount. Let me know what you want to do.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/PLIOG...spagenameZWD1V


http://www.azautobodysupply.com/fiev883adpr6.html






This the email i received from him...


Thursday, June 5, 2008, 6:52 PM

"Not sure what you're asking for. I'm pretty busy since summer semester of school just started. My grand father

passed away on Sunday and we just had his funeral today. Anyway, I don't have anything I can do. Fritz was my

best guess and no clue where he is."


And another...


Sun, 8 Jun 2008 11:52:28

"Broke as a joke right now, since I gave an extra 30 for the cover and you didn't need to replace it, my

suggestion would be to use that to cover the costs. Let me know what turns up, I don't get cash for another 2

weeks and I've been in 2 car accisents in the last month so you can understand why I'm broke."


Well after waiting another month i decided to go ahead and order the materials to fix my lights. I was willing to take that $30 off the material cost to at least recoup some of the cost.

Its been 40 days since ive contacted him about this problem initially. Ive only contacted him via email/PM's/AIM probably 4 or 5 times since then. I was hoping he would step up and do the right thing....but now it seems he's just ignoring any resolution to this problem.

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Here's some interesting info i found...

https://www.rx7club.com/showthread.p...ighlight=kevin

I see here you expect people to be honest & fair with you. I dont think im being unreasonable here Darren. I know you keep dodging & ignore my emails/pm's now. Its now been over a month...41 days to be exact for you to step up and do the right thing. Im just asking for the same courtesy as you expected in this previous transaction. Please....no more excuses.




Quoted straight from dhahlen in this previous transaction..

"My apologies on the short response and post on the forum. I get a bit hectic on the forum when I deal with people that do not keep in contact on transactions as well as I do. I am huge on communication and anyone that has done business with me understands this. I do understand the whole business ordeal but I just get a bit iffy especially when I get something in the mail and isn't what I expected. I could rant and rave and badmouth and all that, but that is just childish and immature. I tried to keep the post as clean as possible without saying anything negative because I didn't have any means to do so. I've been ripped off a few times on the forum and sad to say I am doing less and less business because of all ******** around."

Well....im a huge communication guy when it comes to business transactions too. I've been more than fair on this whole deal. And i even was going to let it go for half of what it was costing me to get these lights fixed. Now im just getting pissed off because you've ignored every attempt to resolve this problem. I'm done trying to help you figure out a way to fix this.

If you want to make this a fair deal...i'll expect you to pay for the materials in full. And yes i have the receipts. Total costs came to $59.86. Which is a hell of alot cheaper than sourcing a drivers side headlight.

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Seems pretty cut/dry. I also hate posting up personal transactions publicly on the forum, but sometimes it really is the best way to get someone not responding to respond. I hope everything works out for you and I think you've done way more than your share to help Darren to fix this transaction. Your time costs money too and the fact that you're not mentioning that is very big of you. A refund for material costs is really not asking that much.


Good Luck Buddy...
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Originally Posted by rx7goomba
Here's some interesting info i found...

https://www.rx7club.com/showthread.p...ighlight=kevin

I see here you expect people to be honest & fair with you. I dont think im being unreasonable here Darren. I know you keep dodging & ignore my emails/pm's now. Its now been over a month...41 days to be exact for you to step up and do the right thing. Im just asking for the same courtesy as you expected in this previous transaction. Please....no more excuses.




Quoted straight from dhahlen in this previous transaction..




Well....im a huge communication guy when it comes to business transactions too. I've been more than fair on this whole deal. And i even was going to let it go for half of what it was costing me to get these lights fixed. Now im just getting pissed off because you've ignored every attempt to resolve this problem. I'm done trying to help you figure out a way to fix this.

If you want to make this a fair deal...i'll expect you to pay for the materials in full. And yes i have the receipts. Total costs came to $59.86. Which is a hell of alot cheaper than sourcing a drivers side headlight.
Saw a couple of interesting e-mails in my inbox this morning - granted I've been dealing with numerous things, and I'm not upset when I say that this headlight ordeal is the LEAST of my problems right now. So, your patience will have to continue - as there isn't anything I can do for you just yet.

Did you notice the last time I was on this forum prior to today? It's been weeks. I have a large amount of personal and financial issues which I do not need to discuss with the public - and they'll remain private. All I can tell you is I will honor our original agreement. I was replying to your e-mail when I saw this itrader notification deal... and here is my response to your e-mail:

I've noted a few things for your reference. First off - your "posting bad transactions" - eventually if you do enough business, there is always going to be some unsatisfied customer who will find some way to put a bad spin and leave out all the important details in defense of the seller, you sir have done a great job of this.

I bought these parts and they sat in a box, I opened the box, saw that they were the parts that I bought, they went back in the box, I never did anything with them. Then you need a set of popups, I need sleeks, we start our transaction - and now this world of **** happens.

However, sticking to my original agreement in which I mentioned I'd gladly help you out - I do not mind doing this. Ignoring you? Of course not - you simply chose to ignore the facts which were presented.

I recall giving you $30 for the headlight cover, and then you said you wanted to take half off the cost of your parts. $60-30 = $30, so fair deal. However, you make it sound like I'm paying for your labor. You chose to work on the headlight cover - and then sound like you're putting blame on me for a manufacturer defect on the housing. If you wanted a refund at the time - I'd have given it to you. Also, the cost to replace the cover would have been far less than 3 hours of labor and parts if you wanted to turn time into money.

Also, if it's only $30 - why are you making such a big deal. I said I'd pay it, and I will. I have several personal things taking up all of my time and finances - I don't need this "do the right thing" and "you're ignoring me" crap - please note that I am busy and I will take care of what I had originally agreed upon. I've dealt with several persons in the past and they'll all speak for me that when i say I'll do it, then I will. Please have a bit more patience and I'll take care of you.
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Originally Posted by dhahlen
Saw a couple of interesting e-mails in my inbox this morning - granted I've been dealing with numerous things, and I'm not upset when I say that this headlight ordeal is the LEAST of my problems right now. So, your patience will have to continue - as there isn't anything I can do for you just yet.

Did you notice the last time I was on this forum prior to today? It's been weeks. I have a large amount of personal and financial issues which I do not need to discuss with the public - and they'll remain private. All I can tell you is I will honor our original agreement. I was replying to your e-mail when I saw this itrader notification deal... and here is my response to your e-mail:

I've noted a few things for your reference. First off - your "posting bad transactions" - eventually if you do enough business, there is always going to be some unsatisfied customer who will find some way to put a bad spin and leave out all the important details in defense of the seller, you sir have done a great job of this.

I bought these parts and they sat in a box, I opened the box, saw that they were the parts that I bought, they went back in the box, I never did anything with them. Then you need a set of popups, I need sleeks, we start our transaction - and now this world of **** happens.

However, sticking to my original agreement in which I mentioned I'd gladly help you out - I do not mind doing this. Ignoring you? Of course not - you simply chose to ignore the facts which were presented.

I recall giving you $30 for the headlight cover, and then you said you wanted to take half off the cost of your parts. $60-30 = $30, so fair deal. However, you make it sound like I'm paying for your labor. You chose to work on the headlight cover - and then sound like you're putting blame on me for a manufacturer defect on the housing. If you wanted a refund at the time - I'd have given it to you. Also, the cost to replace the cover would have been far less than 3 hours of labor and parts if you wanted to turn time into money.

Also, if it's only $30 - why are you making such a big deal. I said I'd pay it, and I will. I have several personal things taking up all of my time and finances - I don't need this "do the right thing" and "you're ignoring me" crap - please note that I am busy and I will take care of what I had originally agreed upon. I've dealt with several persons in the past and they'll all speak for me that when i say I'll do it, then I will. Please have a bit more patience and I'll take care of you.

Look at your email again...you suggested i take that $30 to cover the cost to fix the headlight housing. Not me. Only reason i was willing at the time to even take $30 was so i could at least try and get my headlights done because it was already taking over 2 weeks to even get that far. I was willing to at least meet you half way on it. But obviously me being considerate enough in that regard didnt do much good either.

We've emailed each other numerous times on you dealing with this. Do you not remember all those links i sent you about stock headlights for sale? Seriously? I sent you like 4 of them...including pm's asking you if you've found a drivers side housing yet.

I did this deal with the intent of getting my project done. Not wait over a month on you to decide what you wanted to do.
So i came up with the idea of using that material to try and fix it as we discussed. We agreed then it would be a done deal. Then.....for 2 weeks straight i dont hear a word from you. I just wanted to get that headlight fixed. Please dont tell me i ignored any facts here. I've been nothing but honest, fair & patience with you.
42 days now to be exact.






Here's the facts....

I've spent over 3 hours and $60 fixing this drivers side headlight housing.


So dont take it personal if i want at least the full amount it cost me in materials to fix it now. It has been 42 days....and im sorry to hear about the personal issues you're having. But this shoudlnt have taken this that long to fix since i brought this up to you over 4 weeks ago.

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Here's the facts....

I've spent over 3 hours and $60 fixing this drivers side headlight housing.


So dont take it personal if i want at least the full amount it cost me in materials to fix it now. It has been 42 days....and im sorry to hear about the personal issues you're having. But this shoudlnt have taken this that long to fix since i brought this up to you over 4 weeks ago.[/QUOTE]

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But this shoudlnt have taken this that long to fix since i brought this up to you over 4 weeks ago.

I don't know who you think you are to dictate how longs things should take. So let me point out the flaws in your ridiculous comments:
1.) I shouldn't haven't to deal with blame for a manufacturer defect
2.) I shouldn't have to deal with people getting stupid over $30 which I said I'd take care of, which is now $59.xx
3.) I shouldn't have to deal with people making irrational decisions
4.) I shouldn't have to reply to a message to entertain the masses
5.) I shouldn't have began a transaction with a member of the forum who has done nothing but flame members in the past
6.) I shouldn't be the nice guy and try to help people out
7.) I shouldn't have to pay for ****

shall I keep going? I think you get my point. Once again, 42 days, 60 days, 180 days, it's not going to make a difference because right now I'm not sure what will happen in the future. I take things day by day, and I'll deal with this issue when I clear out my garage of other problems.

I'll honor the $30 when i can. Once again, the $30 extra I gave you was to cover the cost if you chose to buy a new cover or fix the one you were sold. Therefore $60-30 = $30. I am not paying for you to do work on your own car.
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Im amazed how you're acting now...

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Originally Posted by dhahlen

Here's the facts....

I've spent over 3 hours and $60 fixing this drivers side headlight housing.


So dont take it personal if i want at least the full amount it cost me in materials to fix it now. It has been 42 days....and im sorry to hear about the personal issues you're having. But this shoudlnt have taken this that long to fix since i brought this up to you over 4 weeks ago.
****

But this shoudlnt have taken this that long to fix since i brought this up to you over 4 weeks ago.

I don't know who you think you are to dictate how longs things should take. So let me point out the flaws in your ridiculous comments:
1.) I shouldn't haven't to deal with blame for a manufacturer defect
2.) I shouldn't have to deal with people getting stupid over $30 which I said I'd take care of, which is now $59.xx
3.) I shouldn't have to deal with people making irrational decisions
4.) I shouldn't have to reply to a message to entertain the masses
5.) I shouldn't have began a transaction with a member of the forum who has done nothing but flame members in the past
6.) I shouldn't be the nice guy and try to help people out
7.) I shouldn't have to pay for ****

shall I keep going? I think you get my point. Once again, 42 days, 60 days, 180 days, it's not going to make a difference because right now I'm not sure what will happen in the future. I take things day by day, and I'll deal with this issue when I clear out my garage of other problems.

I'll honor the $30 when i can. Once again, the $30 extra I gave you was to cover the cost if you chose to buy a new cover or fix the one you were sold. Therefore $60-30 = $30. I am not paying for you to do work on your own car.[/QUOTE]





And i did fix the headlight cover. So....what about this new problem? Im not asking you to pay me to do work on my car. Im asking for the material cost. Pretty easy to understand that isnt it? Only reason i was willing to take $30...was because it was already over 2 weeks then...and YOU suggested it. Now....3 weeks later you still have no answers.

1. manufacturer defect or not.....you took responsablity in that light when sellling it to me that you'd fix the probelm if anything was wrong with them

2. Its not $30...its $60. And if im supposedly "getting stupid" over that amount of money....whats the difference? Like you said..."it's only $30"

3. 42 days past i told you about this problem....yet im making irrational decisions? Do you not understand....it's been 42 days! And besides....."it's only $30"

4.entertain the masses? Funny how when you have problems in the past...how you've dealt with them. https://www.rx7club.com/showthread.ph...ighlight=kevin

5. "shouldn't have began a transaction with a member of the forum who has done nothing but flame members in the past" Are you serious? I've only said **** to people who come on here and try and scam memebers on this forum. Please explain this one. You made no damn sense at all on this statment. Go check my past history on my sales and then wake up to reaility.

6." shouldn't be the nice guy and try to help people out"
What!? 42 damn days!? How are you helping me out? I told you about this problem 42 days ago! Yet...you strung me along saying maybe you'll find a headlight through Fritz or in the for sale section. You cannot be serious on that statment!? Im the one who was willing to keep the light and try and fix it without you having to go find a replacment. Seriously....do you think you can find a stock drivers side headlight for under $60? Right....good luck.

7. I shouldn't have to pay for ****.
You're thought process is amazing. How can you seriously sit back and act like this now?

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Like i said before....it's up to you if you want to do the right thing. I've been more than fair and honest with you regarding this whole situation.

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Dhahalen has always been more than a fair seller. He always gives you more than what you paid for (read: insanely low prices).
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Originally Posted by WaLieN
Dhahalen has always been more than a fair seller. He always gives you more than what you paid for (read: insanely low prices).
As Icemark said once, a person isn't who you remember them as. A person is who they are today and who they will be tomorrow.

dhalen is a very good guy, a well known member, very helpful, etc, but that doesn't give him a free pass to screw somebody over.
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Originally Posted by SLOASFK
dhalen is a very good guy, a well known member, very helpful, etc, but that doesn't give him a free pass to screw somebody over.
Darren isnt screwing anyone over nor has intentions to. I can understand why goomba is pissed however I can also see why Darren is being "late" on many of the above accusations. He is already going out of his way for a product that he didnt mess up on. It was a misunderstanding and hes doing his best to take care of the situation. Priorities change but eventually I see the situation being taken care of..Ive dealt in THOUSANDS with Darren and have never had a problem. He is a TOP-NOTCH seller and always sells items at a fair price with fast shipping.
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I dont think anyone is questioning Darren's intentions and I do beleive he'll come through...But I do beleive he is handling this completely wrong...When you do business with someone private or not there is a level of responsibility you take in the condition of that piece. If you sell something which is stated to be in perfect or good condition and its not then that is giving a false impression... Seriously its $30 Ive seen Darren make $2k+ transaction numerous times. I understand things happen and priorities change but when you do business there is a reponsiblity to that transaction. He asked you originally for $30 to fix the broken head light cover... which he fixxed he was asking you for another payment to fix the fact that the actual head light assembly. Its $30 freakin dollars I dont understand why you think you integrity isnt worth more than that... And taking care of it in a timely manner is just as important...for you to say "Once again, 42 days, 60 days, 180 days, it's not going to make a difference because right now I'm not sure what will happen in the future" is just plain ignorance and I know your better than that.

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Originally Posted by WaLieN
Dhahalen has always been more than a fair seller. He always gives you more than what you paid for (read: insanely low prices).

Ok??? So your perception of this situation is a fair deal?





Originally Posted by SLOASFK
As Icemark said once, a person isn't who you remember them as. A person is who they are today and who they will be tomorrow.

dhalen is a very good guy, a well known member, very helpful, etc, but that doesn't give him a free pass to screw somebody over.
I've never had a problem with the guy. Im just amazed at some of his comments torwards me. Just dont see where he's coming from with all these claims and accusations of my integrity.





Originally Posted by charlies7
He is already going out of his way for a product that he didnt mess up on. It was a misunderstanding and hes doing his best to take care of the situation.
I'd like to know how he has gone out of his way? Ive stayed in contact with him throughout the whole transaction and made sure to take pictures of everything. And the only resolution he's come up with is to use that $30 he gave me to fix the headlight cover. I have nothing against him...i know that he wasnt intentionally trying to do this. But i spent $60 torwards fixing the headlight housing so that i could come up with a resolution to this problem. Now after doing so....his resolution is to use $30 that was already used to fix the headlight cover. Huh? Ok....im easy guy to deal with....i figured ok....at least split it with me so i dont have to spend the whole $60 to get this stuff to fix it since its been 2 weeks and he still hasnt found another headlight to swap out with. Well....after waiting 2+ weeks to at least get that....here we are today. Im out $60...and now hes thinks im being unreasonable.

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Stress affects people in many different ways.

How members respond to these type of opportunities (that's right, I did not state problem,lol) is a sign of true character. Darren had an opportunity to present himself in a more approachable manner here.

This statement is uncalled for-"Once again, 42 days, 60 days, 180 days, it's not going to make a difference because right now I'm not sure what will happen in the future".I take things day by day, and I'll deal with this issue when I clear out my garage of other problems.

No one wants to "Air" their problems in public but when you are dealing with issues like this it is extremely important to follow up and keep the person waiting informed on a regular basis, even going as far as to contact them by phone to personalize things.

I see all too often "Failure by disregard".
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Ok, comments and opinions aside - here are the facts.

Chris and I started our transaction some time ago, probably roughly around 43 days now. I had a set of stock headlights as mentioned and he had a set of EVO-R lights with HID's and extra covers. I met his asking price, and he discounted $150 or so off the cost of the lights if I offered stock lights in trade. I took pictures of the lights and showed him the broken tabs. Chris was worried about the broken tabs so he asked me for an extra $30 to cover the cost of a headlight cover if he had to replace it, in which I paid. I was a bit iffy about giving him an extra $30 figuring he wouldn't need it, but being that I thought if anything comes up and he needs to replace a cover, I did the right thing. Our business was concluded thus far and I each talked off and on and both received our parts.

Chris gets the lights and installs them, he manages to fix the cover and make it work. So, sounds like everything is good, right? Obviously not. Chris then tries to blame me for a manufacturer defect, in which I had no knowledge of as I had not used the lights personally. He then asks me to find him a replacement housing. Note, our transaction did not include me replacing manufacturer defects or some oddball mistake. For all I know, Chris could have installed these lights and done something wrong - installing factory headlights are a pain and a mistake could have easily been made. For all I know, his front fender could be off from an accident or prior damage. There are so many different things that could be wrong, yet I am the one being blamed for not covering all his expenses.

Even after my part was done, giving him an extra $30, he still insists I send him more money for a transaction that has already been finished. So he asks me for $60 in materials. Now, at this point, I'd be out $90 granted I gave him the extra $60. Using logic, I told him since I had already paid him $30, I would kindly give him an extra $30 to cover the cost of the materials to fix his problem even though I should have nothing to do with this - on my part, it was more than fair. He wants more and more money from me and I keep getting blamed for something which was out of my control.

Chris decided the product wasn't good enough for him after he spent hours trying to fix something that should have been replaced with the money provided, rather than wasting his time and blaming me for his own mistake.

I had offered to give the extra $30, and now he wants $60. I've done my fair part, I think it's time you let this one go and stop blaming me for several mistakes on your end. Thanks.
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I dont see this as really a mistake---the damage, I mean. I see it as a product that doesnt meet expectations. And dahlen--as much as I can understand that youre having a lot on your plate lately, the fact remains that we are all each responsible for the condition of the parts we sell/trade. This isnt a matter of goomba never being satisfied, as you have tried to point out--it is a matter of a part you traded not being in proper condition. Now, with that said, I dont believe that you knew it was in this condition ahead of time, but you shouldnt be blaming him and acting like he made a mistake somewhere because of this--he is not to blame for the part's condition. Thats how he got it, am I right? So, please, lets not get into trying to place blame for something that he obviously isnt to blame for.

Now, instead of trading paint, so to speak, what can be done on both sides of this to resolve the issue? thats the most important thing in this transaction right now. You sent him $30 extra to fix something else that needed fixing, not this. Granted, thats something that a lot of people wouldnt do but it isnt related to this other problem. You say his fender could be off--but in the pics everything else seems to line up properly so I dont think thats the case. Even in relation to the other parts in the picture--not the fender--the tab is obviously not where it should be, so that doesnt seem to be the case.

How were these lights described to him? Did you represent them as damaged, or what? The description he agreed to could say a lot about this transaction and what to do next.
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Originally Posted by rx7roller02
I dont see this as really a mistake---the damage, I mean. I see it as a product that doesnt meet expectations. And dahlen--as much as I can understand that youre having a lot on your plate lately, the fact remains that we are all each responsible for the condition of the parts we sell/trade. This isnt a matter of goomba never being satisfied, as you have tried to point out--it is a matter of a part you traded not being in proper condition. Now, with that said, I dont believe that you knew it was in this condition ahead of time, but you shouldnt be blaming him and acting like he made a mistake somewhere because of this--he is not to blame for the part's condition. Thats how he got it, am I right? So, please, lets not get into trying to place blame for something that he obviously isnt to blame for.

Now, instead of trading paint, so to speak, what can be done on both sides of this to resolve the issue? thats the most important thing in this transaction right now. You sent him $30 extra to fix something else that needed fixing, not this. Granted, thats something that a lot of people wouldnt do but it isnt related to this other problem. You say his fender could be off--but in the pics everything else seems to line up properly so I dont think thats the case. Even in relation to the other parts in the picture--not the fender--the tab is obviously not where it should be, so that doesnt seem to be the case.

How were these lights described to him? Did you represent them as damaged, or what? The description he agreed to could say a lot about this transaction and what to do next.
We spoke over the phone several times. I told him the lights looked to be in good condition but I could not speak on behalf of fitment as I never installed them myself. I sent him several pictures, in areas which he asked for as well as a good overall representation of what I was selling. Had he wanted a refund a week after receiving them, and sent the whole setup back to me, I'd have refunded his money, no problem.

Look at it this way - I go to a shop, I have a turbo manifold made, it looks good, but I am not happy with something, I left the shop satisfied and everything appeared well, but my turbo doesn't fit - not because of the manifold I had made, but because of a manufacturer defect on the turbo. Who do I go after? The shop who made the manifold? Or the person responsible for the defect?

I was more than fair in paying him $30, which was a general repair fee, which he could pocket if nothing was wrong, but since something was wrong - he could use it to recoup some of his costs. My intention wasn't to give away money, obviously, so those costs should amount to fixing his problem.

His mistake - in my opinion - was that he spent way to much time over something which could have been replaced weeks ago. Instead of replacing it, he gets mad at me for not giving him exactly what he wants. I've offered to pay half the costs and now he wants more, I asked him to be patient and now he makes a big stink about it, and now I'm expected to 'make things right' by giving into this big misconception of how the transaction actually went?

I am more than fair, and anyone that's ever done business with me knows I will go out of my way to make sure they are happy. But when you take my kindness and try to kick me in the *** and suck more money out of me, you'll find I'm not so quick to help you out. And why should I? You take advantage of my good nature by asking for more money and minor problems which should be overlooked, and noted as a mistake not on my end but by circumstances out of my control.

I don't know how many times I've bought crap and I wasn't satisfied, and then didn't get a cent back, and simply took it as a loss and moved on. I'm not saying that is the case here - but I was perfectly honest with the condition of the parts and offered a refund granted he wanted to send it all back, not bits and pieces, and try and nickel and dime me.

I've already wasted too much of time trying to fix something that shouldn't have even been dropped on my plate. I've gone out of my way to help and this is the nice, kind, response I get from fellow members of this 'community' - reason number 17832 why this forum has been steadily declining for the last year and half.

If anything needs to be said - it could be said via e-mail. I've got nothing else to say here.
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Originally Posted by rx7roller02
I dont see this as really a mistake---the damage, I mean. I see it as a product that doesnt meet expectations. And dahlen--as much as I can understand that youre having a lot on your plate lately, the fact remains that we are all each responsible for the condition of the parts we sell/trade. This isnt a matter of goomba never being satisfied, as you have tried to point out--it is a matter of a part you traded not being in proper condition. Now, with that said, I dont believe that you knew it was in this condition ahead of time, but you shouldnt be blaming him and acting like he made a mistake somewhere because of this--he is not to blame for the part's condition. Thats how he got it, am I right? So, please, lets not get into trying to place blame for something that he obviously isnt to blame for.

Now, instead of trading paint, so to speak, what can be done on both sides of this to resolve the issue? thats the most important thing in this transaction right now. You sent him $30 extra to fix something else that needed fixing, not this. Granted, thats something that a lot of people wouldnt do but it isnt related to this other problem. You say his fender could be off--but in the pics everything else seems to line up properly so I dont think thats the case. Even in relation to the other parts in the picture--not the fender--the tab is obviously not where it should be, so that doesnt seem to be the case.

How were these lights described to him? Did you represent them as damaged, or what? The description he agreed to could say a lot about this transaction and what to do next.





He agreed that if ANYTHING was wrong with these head lights...he'd take them back and pay me the full amount. I took alot of pictures showing him where the tab was sticking out and making the trim piece rub against the fender. As i told him before...i noticed the trim piece had some rub marks on them. SO obviously whoever had these lights before him pushed the problem off onto him. I had no problem trying to shave that tab off remake a new tab for the trim piece to screw into. This would save you more in the long run with me not having to ship these back. I still dont see how you dont understand that.






He agreed that if ANYTHING was wrong with these head lights...he'd take them back and pay me the full amount. I took alot of pictures showing him where the tab was sticking out and making the trim piece rub against the fender. As i told him before...i noticed the trim piece had some rub marks on them. SO obviously whoever had these lights before him pushed the problem off onto him. I had no problem trying to shave that tab off remake a new tab for the trim piece to screw into. This would save you more in the long run with me not having to ship these back. I still dont see how you dont understand that.

Its a joke to think im somehow making this problem up since i brought up to him immediately once i discover the problem. Like i said to you before when you suggested i use the extra $30 torwards getting the materials. Thats fine....but i didnt feel like waiting another 2+ weeks for you to decide on what to do. I wanted to get these installed and move on.
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Just let it die...I hardly see this thread effecting Darrens transactions in the future. Eventually it will be solved and people can stop complaining.

I can tell you if I sold the headlight assembly I wouldnt have given the extra 30 on top of the 30 that I already gave the buyer. Too many circumstances could have happened in 43 days or whatever it is. When a deal is done its done, is that saying alot about me? Probably..Do I care? Absolutely not. Thats like me selling a turbo kit and the guy PM'ing me 2 months later saying the turbine is chewed up. I would have had no history about that turbo for the past 2 months and I wouldnt have given a refund to the cent.
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Originally Posted by dhahlen
We spoke over the phone several times. I told him the lights looked to be in good condition but I could not speak on behalf of fitment as I never installed them myself. I sent him several pictures, in areas which he asked for as well as a good overall representation of what I was selling. Had he wanted a refund a week after receiving them, and sent the whole setup back to me, I'd have refunded his money, no problem.
Ok this is where you tend to forget that your're the one who told me you could possibly get one from Fritz to swap out. That was fine by me....but 2 weeks went by...and still nothing. Thats when i suggested i try and fix the light housing and call it a done deal if you covered materail cost.
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Originally Posted by charlies7
Just let it die...I hardly see this thread effecting Darrens transactions in the future. Eventually it will be solved and people can stop complaining.

I can tell you if I sold the headlight assembly I wouldnt have given the extra 30 on top of the 30 that I already gave the buyer. Too many circumstances could have happened in 43 days or whatever it is. When a deal is done its done, is that saying alot about me? Probably..Do I care? Absolutely not. Thats like me selling a turbo kit and the guy PM'ing me 2 months later saying the turbine is chewed up. I would have had no history about that turbo for the past 2 months and I wouldnt have given a refund to the cent.

What part of it do you not get....that $30 was to repair or replace the HEAD LIGHT COVER. And another thing you dont understand is that this isnt 2 months later. I've kept in contact with him since DAY ONE ever since this problem with the HEAD LIGHT HOUSING. Thats 2 different problems were talking about here. Not 43 days later. If you want to repsond...please get the facts straight.

"When a deal is done its done" Thats the good way to business.
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Originally Posted by rx7goomba
"When a deal is done its done" Thats the good way to business.
Only applies when the time frame gets too big, or the buyer is being unrealistic.

Quick question..Would you still have started this thread if Darren disagreed to compensate you for the headlight housing?
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Originally Posted by charlies7
Only applies when the time frame gets too big, or the buyer is being unrealistic.

Quick question..Would you still have started this thread if Darren disagreed to compensate you for the headlight housing?

Unrealistic? So....i should've had him pay for the return shipping costs on these lights and have him refund me the $150? Seriously? And im being unrealistic and irrational here? You really think that me just settling out for the materials cost was being unrealistic?

Remember.... this has been going on for over 4 weeks now since he agreed on that.
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guys, let's all take a breath already and chill

he said he would honor the agreement he made with his buyer, so let's step back and let these two work this out.

And charlies--please, let's not get into this kind of deal in the thread. I dont see either one of these two as having been unrealistic, nor can you blame goomba for the time that has passed, because he notified Darren far earlier than 40-some odd days later and reading this thread would have taught you that. In a nutshell, here's the deal--they traded these headlight sets, and both of them deserve to have working headlights, can you at least agree on that? There isnt any reason to be pointing a finger at goomba like he's some kind of scammer or something--he just wants his headlights to work. You want working lights on YOUR car, no? Then lay off. That is hardly unreasonable--the guy sold some nearly-brand new sleek lights for $211 less than what Darren would have had to pay, plus he included an extra set of lenses. AND, add to that the credit he gave for the stock lights! But we have people complaining about $30?!?!?! So, between you and me, I dont see any reason why he shouldnt expect the lights he gets in return to work properly. If you think thats unreasonable, youre in the wrong forum my friend.

Bottom line, Darren said he would make good on this. I honestly believe that he will. Let's work on that now instead of the blame game, which gets everyone nowhere.


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