Alkycontrol..... AI Vendor
11-12-06, 07:53 PM
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Alkycontrol..... AI Vendor
http://www.alkycontrol.com
don't miss the 30 FAQ's http://home.att.net/~alkycontrol/page8.htm
Julio Don is the proprietor of Alkycontrol. as "Razor" he moderates IMO your best single source of info re alcohol injection which is the Turbobuick forum. there are 2677 THREADS and 67 PAGES of excellent tuning/setup info on the site that date back to 2001. while they generally relate to buicks i can assure you that 95% of the tech info directly transfers. so if you really want to learn go to the site and read it all. i did. you will also learn alot about Julio's product and what you can really do w alcohol powerwise.
linkhttp://www.turbobuick.com/forums/alc...s-propane-tech
i run Julio's system and have posted my initial tuning results on a thread in this section entitled "80% pump, 20% methanol."
Brian Cain (BDC) also runs his system and has run 25 psi on pump and alcohol recently. Brian often posts his runs http://forum.teamfc3s.org/forumdispl...sprune=30&f=44. since my car is laid up for the wisconsin winter you will want to track Brian as he is in texas and is still AI tuning.
Alkycontrol phone is 727-526-9724 florida. Julio is excellent as to providing info. he is an Electrical Enginner and a racer. his buick at 3850 pounds running the 231 cu in v6 on pump and his methanol system routinely runs 10.3 at 135-140.
Julio's system runs approx $460 if you already have a GN 3 Bar MAP sensor. that includes his Proprietary Progressive Controller, modded alcohol pump, two control modules, a pump controller module, aeroquip lines w brass hydraulic fittings, filter low level light, nozzles and tank. you will want to upgrade the tank. i used a Jaz 4 gallon fuel cell. you mount components, measure hose length and he makes them custom for you.
to be continued. i know there are other Alkycontrol rotary installs going on so let's hear from you.
howard coleman
don't miss the 30 FAQ's http://home.att.net/~alkycontrol/page8.htm
Julio Don is the proprietor of Alkycontrol. as "Razor" he moderates IMO your best single source of info re alcohol injection which is the Turbobuick forum. there are 2677 THREADS and 67 PAGES of excellent tuning/setup info on the site that date back to 2001. while they generally relate to buicks i can assure you that 95% of the tech info directly transfers. so if you really want to learn go to the site and read it all. i did. you will also learn alot about Julio's product and what you can really do w alcohol powerwise.
linkhttp://www.turbobuick.com/forums/alc...s-propane-tech
i run Julio's system and have posted my initial tuning results on a thread in this section entitled "80% pump, 20% methanol."
Brian Cain (BDC) also runs his system and has run 25 psi on pump and alcohol recently. Brian often posts his runs http://forum.teamfc3s.org/forumdispl...sprune=30&f=44. since my car is laid up for the wisconsin winter you will want to track Brian as he is in texas and is still AI tuning.
Alkycontrol phone is 727-526-9724 florida. Julio is excellent as to providing info. he is an Electrical Enginner and a racer. his buick at 3850 pounds running the 231 cu in v6 on pump and his methanol system routinely runs 10.3 at 135-140.
Julio's system runs approx $460 if you already have a GN 3 Bar MAP sensor. that includes his Proprietary Progressive Controller, modded alcohol pump, two control modules, a pump controller module, aeroquip lines w brass hydraulic fittings, filter low level light, nozzles and tank. you will want to upgrade the tank. i used a Jaz 4 gallon fuel cell. you mount components, measure hose length and he makes them custom for you.
to be continued. i know there are other Alkycontrol rotary installs going on so let's hear from you.
howard coleman
Last edited by Howard Coleman; 11-12-06 at 09:27 PM.
11-12-06, 11:20 PM
#2
BDC Motorsports
For those interested, here's the link to my installation pictures.
http://bdc.cyberosity.com/v/ProjectC...C/AlkyControl/
The system was installed around early July of this year. Started really testing in early Sept. As Howard stated, the results are nothing short of totally miraculous. Everything we need, to the smallest details, methanol seems to provide and is packaged well (I think in the best way IMHO) with Julio's Alkycontrol system. It's constructed with 100% longevity and reliability in mind, is built to be very stout and robust, is easy to install, and is simple yet highly effective. His system proves the notion that an Aux Inj system does not need to have a complex, highly tunable controller. In the case of my car as it currently stands, I'm replacing 30% of the overall fuel injection at 15psi and above with methanol from his system. All I did was recorrect the fuel maps for that 30% change at and beyond 1bar of boost and, with his controller, I can sustain a low 11's:1 AFR all the way to 26psi.
For those interested in a very high grade bullet proof system along with really good customer service, I highly recommend looking into Julio's Alkycontrol system.
Proud Methanolics Anonymous member!
B
http://bdc.cyberosity.com/v/ProjectC...C/AlkyControl/
The system was installed around early July of this year. Started really testing in early Sept. As Howard stated, the results are nothing short of totally miraculous. Everything we need, to the smallest details, methanol seems to provide and is packaged well (I think in the best way IMHO) with Julio's Alkycontrol system. It's constructed with 100% longevity and reliability in mind, is built to be very stout and robust, is easy to install, and is simple yet highly effective. His system proves the notion that an Aux Inj system does not need to have a complex, highly tunable controller. In the case of my car as it currently stands, I'm replacing 30% of the overall fuel injection at 15psi and above with methanol from his system. All I did was recorrect the fuel maps for that 30% change at and beyond 1bar of boost and, with his controller, I can sustain a low 11's:1 AFR all the way to 26psi.
For those interested in a very high grade bullet proof system along with really good customer service, I highly recommend looking into Julio's Alkycontrol system.
Proud Methanolics Anonymous member!
B
Last edited by Howard Coleman; 11-13-06 at 06:39 AM.
11-15-06, 03:34 AM
#3
BDC, do you think its possible to daily drive a FD with ngk bur9eq plugs run 93 octane fuel with a alky kit and run 26psi on a single turbo? Also with this kit from Alkycontrol.com, if the tank is empty will the pump burn out or will it shut off automatically like the cooling mist kit?
Jay7..
Jay7..
11-15-06, 11:15 AM
#4
BDC Motorsports
Originally Posted by Jay7 Nyc
BDC, do you think its possible to daily drive a FD with ngk bur9eq plugs run 93 octane fuel with a alky kit and run 26psi on a single turbo? Also with this kit from Alkycontrol.com, if the tank is empty will the pump burn out or will it shut off automatically like the cooling mist kit?
Jay7..
Jay7..
Not sure on the daily driving question but so far so good.
B
11-15-06, 11:39 AM
#5
Which plugs did you use to run 26psi on pump gas with meth injection? Did you use race plugs like 10.5, 11s in the heat range or do you think you can use the ngk 9s all around? I've been reading alot on turbobuick for over a year now. Just haven't had the extra $ to go out and buy any alky kit yet. I'm still saving for a nice twin plate clutch...
Jay7...
Jay7...
11-15-06, 01:06 PM
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Jay,
alcohol runs really cold. making over 500 hp my egts were generally 1190-1200 preturbo. i don't think we will find we will need to run really cold plugs.
i ran NGK 6725 10.5 this year but think as i get better tuned i may be able to run a step hotter plugs. my plugs did look cold but i am still running a little rich. the key will be after i lean it out some more into the mid 11s afr-wise... btw, you are smart putting some money aside for a twinplate clutch. w alcohol and a decent turbo you will need it.
howard coleman
alcohol runs really cold. making over 500 hp my egts were generally 1190-1200 preturbo. i don't think we will find we will need to run really cold plugs.
i ran NGK 6725 10.5 this year but think as i get better tuned i may be able to run a step hotter plugs. my plugs did look cold but i am still running a little rich. the key will be after i lean it out some more into the mid 11s afr-wise... btw, you are smart putting some money aside for a twinplate clutch. w alcohol and a decent turbo you will need it.
howard coleman
11-16-06, 12:00 AM
#7
Hey guys, which EGT are you using? Has anyone looked into the dual egt from Pineapple yet? https://www.rx7club.com/showthread.p...gt#post6301854
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11-16-06, 06:52 AM
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Jay,
tuning AI properly requires you have a knock monitor and egt in addition to the usual wideband etc...
if you read the Turbobuick board you will find they are looking mostly at knock. there are countless tuning threads and after reading 10 or 20 of them you will gain a great deal of confidence as to how to go about extracting the benefits of alcohol.
what ecu are you using? the Power FC/Datalogit works great as to knock.
i log both rotor egts preturbo digitally. i bought my fast acting (instantaneous)thermocouples from Teamrip.com $45 per and built a voltage convertor box for around $40, various pieces from Radio Shack and a couple of Analog Devices AD595 chips which they sent me for free as samples. here's the link for the wiring diagram:
https://www.rx7club.com/showthread.p...hreadid=273912
if you aren't an electrical wizard find someone who is. it will take them an hour to solder it.
or:
buy the AEM convertor for around $200.
each of the 2 above options will allow you to log egts and will give you a major tuning edge.
i found that spending some time and a modest amount of $ on instrumentation and logging tells you what is going on and saves motors.
if you have the right amount of instrumentation you don't have to be "smart."
howard coleman
tuning AI properly requires you have a knock monitor and egt in addition to the usual wideband etc...
if you read the Turbobuick board you will find they are looking mostly at knock. there are countless tuning threads and after reading 10 or 20 of them you will gain a great deal of confidence as to how to go about extracting the benefits of alcohol.
what ecu are you using? the Power FC/Datalogit works great as to knock.
i log both rotor egts preturbo digitally. i bought my fast acting (instantaneous)thermocouples from Teamrip.com $45 per and built a voltage convertor box for around $40, various pieces from Radio Shack and a couple of Analog Devices AD595 chips which they sent me for free as samples. here's the link for the wiring diagram:
https://www.rx7club.com/showthread.p...hreadid=273912
if you aren't an electrical wizard find someone who is. it will take them an hour to solder it.
or:
buy the AEM convertor for around $200.
each of the 2 above options will allow you to log egts and will give you a major tuning edge.
i found that spending some time and a modest amount of $ on instrumentation and logging tells you what is going on and saves motors.
if you have the right amount of instrumentation you don't have to be "smart."
howard coleman
11-16-06, 10:06 AM
#9
BDC Motorsports
Originally Posted by Jay7 Nyc
Which plugs did you use to run 26psi on pump gas with meth injection? Did you use race plugs like 10.5, 11s in the heat range or do you think you can use the ngk 9s all around? I've been reading alot on turbobuick for over a year now. Just haven't had the extra $ to go out and buy any alky kit yet. I'm still saving for a nice twin plate clutch...
Jay7...
Jay7...
B
11-16-06, 12:00 PM
#11
Exactly Howard, I'm trying to read and buy all the instruments I need to have confidence in tuning my FD. Once I have an idea of where i'm suppost to be in A/F, Knock and EGT I believe i'll have the (cojones) to tinkle with the tuning aspect. Reason why i'm teaching myself how to tune is because noone will be around with me when i'm at the track. So I need to learn how to tune for myself and not rely on anyone.
I'm using the Apexi Power FC w/ Datalogit and FJO wideband. I was looking into the Pineapple Racing's Dual EGT guage which looks like a nice little package deal.
I'm using the Apexi Power FC w/ Datalogit and FJO wideband. I was looking into the Pineapple Racing's Dual EGT guage which looks like a nice little package deal.
11-16-06, 01:18 PM
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i imagine the pineapple egt is fine but it is analog. you need to be able to translate the egt sensor voltage digitally so you can log it in your datalogit. you are already halfway home since you have the PFC/DL. check out the thread on how to build it or buy the AEM translator unit.
howard
howard
