drunksheep

in the last 3 months i have encounted a massive amount of commodore ******* that dis rotarys. no matter what i say or prove how much rotary owns the **** out of v8 commodores they still call them rice burners. i even pulled out the harsh comment...you got beaten by a 1.3 LOL. but yet the contine to dis them. i even show them the impressive tuning potentials of rotarys but they continue to dis them calling them pieces of ****.

i really dont care that much about it as i no the rotary especially 13b owns the **** out of most v8's on the road.

but i was woundering if anybody has encounted this kind of publicity? perhaps its just the area of brisbane i live in :S

H4Inf

lol its their problem, they prolly burn more fuel than you and go slower in their droning bombs :P poor misinformed people lol.. limiting themselve to aussie crap that they think is the best lol.. absolute gold.

drunksheep

haha good comment, and its so true

drunksheep

ok...1 person has commented...

H4Inf

ya, hit ausrotary.com for aus discussion, not this forum

rx7club is a great resource, just the australian forum on here is only used by people who dont know about ausrotary, then when they find out they leave :P

drunksheep

yeah i found the site yesterday lol. its a great forum to learn new stuff and have a generall chat. i posted this same topic up if your interested.
http://ausrotary.dntinternet.com/for...389423#1389423

YOUWSH

Yeah you won't find much aussies on this site to be honest. Its got alot more info here than ausrotary btw which is why I prefer this site by far.

icemagic

Heres the thing that your rice box owners have no clue about. Yeh your rotory is quicker. For one its in a lighter car. Seconly when your rotory ***** it self and you need an engine rebuild at 120thousand ks on the clock while the v8 has about 500 thousand then we will see whos laughing.

Serously tho, japs make **** cars, commodores and falcons are far superior, maybe not in quater mile times but we make cars big stong solid and made to protect its ocupents on impact, made to last.

Get over yourself rotorys are good for 100 thousand ks. and any other rice box only goes quick because its light and has a **** poor body structure. plus yous use forced eduction.

Holden all the way. burn your rice box, maybe then you can have fried rice for dinner just like every other asian has every night.

WAS:12A

iTrader: (4)

^^^You'll learn when you get older just how "superior" Holden and Fords are, once you have owned a few....for now your too young to know better....but thanks for your input!

REVERE

Very diplomatic WAS:12A, I however am a little bored so will clear a few things up for ICEMAGIC
You must be tremendously insecure if you feel the need to troll the net and drag up a 2 year old thread to defend your car. All you have accomplished is reinforcing the validity of the OP’s post, while also making a fool of yourself.

You will like this
http://yahoo.drive.com.au/Editorial/...rticleID=49101 (full article)

Australia's first car-quality survey revealed (points out od 1000)
Mazda 780
Honda 775
Toyota 772
Industry average 762
Mitsubishi 757
Subaru 755
Nissan 751
Hyundai 750
Kia 744
Ford 743
Holden 736

Even the Korean manufacturers owned Holden (as did Ford)

Safety ratings are not much better. 97+ models are ok but pre-97 have varyingly bad results. For example, your VS (re-bagged VR) achieved only average results (the same as my significantly older FC Rx-7).
http://www.mynrma.com.au/cps/rde/xbc...768E2-467ABE2E

The Rx-8 has an 8 year 160,000 engine warrantee, what is the commodore warrantee again?
At least Ford has acknowledged the fact that a turbo-V6 is a better option, it seems Holden is prepared to go to their grave producing a prehistoric engine.

NB. It is not just the weight that leads to the rx-7 being faster- suspension, handling and breaking are far superior in the Mazda (to name just a few things).

“The new VE comodore features double-pivot MacPherson strut front suspension and a four-link independent rear suspension have been introduced to replace the previous simple MacPherson strut design front and much criticised semi-trailing arm rear suspension for dramatically improved ride and handling”
- Butler, Dowling, Hagon, Newton, p. 30

Welcome to the 90’s, ever heard of Double wishbone suspension?


PS.
Heres – Here’s or more correctly Here is
Seconly – Secondly
Yeh – Yeah
Rotory – Rotary
Whos – Who’s or more correctly, Who is
Serously – Seriously
Tho – Though
Japs – Japanese
Quater – Quarter or more correctly 400 meters
Stong - Strong
Ocupents – Occupants
Yous – yours
eduction – (Ironic) Induction

ICEMAGIC if you feel the need to respond back your claims up evidence to instill some credibility in your comments.

The Driver

iTrader: (4)

Tell them their driving the shittiest version of GM possible lmao. Why would you ever buy a holden lmao! I'm american and even I know not to buy US cars hahahaha...

They Fail!

Kain88

Well, of course the US-made GM cars are terrible, which is why they've started importing the Australian Holdens now

WAS:12A

iTrader: (4)

....lets not forget that one of the most popular Holden Commodore's (if not the MOST popular) ever made, was running a Nissan engine!!!!!!....

...we could be here for days pointing out the flaws in his comments....



zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz..........

icemagic

Umm that link on safety scores commodores scored high in them, Vr onwards scores a minimum of above average, wich is better than what any ricebox scores. As for the link about reliablity, did you realise that that includes barinas holden novas etc all the rebaged heaps of **** wich i myself are not a fan of. Im a fan of holden made cars wich is commodores and HSVs.

I know a guy who works for NRMA and he also told me about a problem commodores have, the part of the key wich strikes the ignition fails after time if you have other keys adding weight to your car key wich is a very minor problem. He also informed me that when NRMA did a servey on cars how many had call outs there were more for commodores than any other car, wich is bad for commos i know, but he also informed me that like 8 out of ten were about the ignition problem. and that minius this one problem, commodores would have come out as one of the top scores for this test.

So yes commodores scored bad in that test, but due to one minor avoidable problem.

As for you turbo lovers, atleast V8s dont sound like a bird taking a dump on the bonnet when they change gears, also no lag and v8s are also in a heavier stronger car than **** house ricebox turbos

As for your shithouse warrenty on your RX7 try actualy find a RX7 that lives past 250 thousand Ks? Then look for a commodore?

And bag the VE all you like but alfa romao are going to be useing the rear wheel drive platform in there new cars because its one of the best ones out, oh and whats that, we also pay a quater of the cost for a brand new VE.

Heres an idea why dont you rice lovers go **** yourselves, im sick of rice boys thinking there top **** cos there car sneezes every time it changes gears.

WAS:12A

iTrader: (4)

Mate come back when you have actually OWNED a ******* commodore and we'll talk about how GREAT they are then............................in the meantime you can just keep on loving how your V8 "sounds" while it converts fuel into noise without the byproduct of horsepower......

Havoc

Bahahah so true !!

The first time I got my car dyno'ed (about 10yrs back now) I was having to wait for this bogan and his 4 mates to finish tuning.

He had a WB ute with all the fruit, sounded great and span up 190ish rwhp, which I was really impressed with. My tuner at the time was laughing his head off and I didn't understand why.. just said watch and wait.

So backed up my S4 and pulled 270 rwhp first run.
The guy and mates where horrified and just left ... you could see their pain.

At that stage I realised I'm made the right choice in car and engines.

icemagic

http://www.importforums.com/carsinfo.htm
Notice how every car in that link are lighter than commodores. A lot are also less powerfull, nearly all of them have less torque, but run better quater mile times.

Get it through your head heavy cars arnt as quick, Heavy cars are saver tho, usualy have more boot space, usualy are structurly stronger, usualy have more cabin room.

Look at the soarer, it puts out more power than a v6 commo yet its slower, thats because its weight is very similar to a commos.

Bye the way a WB ute is OVER 20 years old, well and truely, get with the program. Id like to see how your early 80s jap crapers did back then?

You people are idiots, Commodores are a better quality more practicle car that any mazda nissan heap of ****. Serously you pay all the money for imports and for what? To look cool infront of the odd person who might be mildly impressed?

What gets more respect, super charged VE SS or a RX7 with neons???

peachykeenwight

I suppose it's a little odd for me to be posting in the Aussie forum, but I couldn't bite my tongue. It appears as if you guys suffer the same problem as many of us over here in America do--ignorant, stubborn V8 powered car owners. Let me start by saying that I feel your pain. =)

Don't get me wrong, I have nothing against a properly built V8. I have nothing against a properly built ANYTHING for that matter. Can I ask you a question though, icemagic? How many of us do you think give half a **** about how safe or practical our vehicles are when we're putting diesel-truck-sized turbos on them and trying to make 400+RWHP in a car that weighs less than 3000 pounds?

We care about how our cars perform: AND GUESS WHAT? They out-perform YOUR piece of **** Holden in every motorsport except for, MAYBE, drag racing.. even then, a properly built 13B can hold its own against most piston counterparts.

So, do us all a favor: go back to grade school, learn a thing or two about how to properly assert your ideas through words, then do some automotive research so you can utilize your new elementary school skills to have an educationally sound argument instead of making an *** of yourself.

Until then, shut the **** up and stop being a troll. You're an idiot, and the perfect example of why there is so much unnecessary tension amongst car owners. Who gives a **** where its built or who by? They're all cars; they're all hunks of metal with engines--and with enough skills (which, clearly, you lack), time and money, you can build whatever the hell you want.

*******.

PS: Nice comparison between a supercharged VE SS and an RX-7 with neons. How many people on the RX7Club have neons on their '7? And of those who do, how many of them get ANY respect from the community?
Try this instead: What gets more respect, a supercharged VE SS or a GT42R 20B powered FD? Personally, I'd say they're both awesome. But I think many other people (and not just in the RX7 community) would opt for the FD. Okay, now you can kindly shut the **** up.

REVERE

^ /tread
Might just add a few points from my area of expertise.

Weight has nothing to do with structural integrity or safety; in many cases, it will be have a negative impact.
Newton's 3rd law- To every action there is an equal and opposite reaction.
Therefore it takes more force to get going and more force to stop, be it under brakes or into a tree, pole or car.

an s4 rx-7 is over 20 years old

Show me one piece of evidence that testifies to the quality of the commodore and I will give you fifteen pieces that refute it.

Also since when have imports been expensive?

Neither, If you feel the need to get respect or attempt to pull chicks with you car then I feel sorry for you, because 98% of people could care less about what car you or I drive.

WAS:12A

iTrader: (4)

The funny thing is 98% of us wouldn't even keep a brand new top of the range Commodore if we were given one....Yet he still comes back here like we actually give a **** what he thinks!....******* trolling loser!

And he reckons heavy cars are safer??? He obviously has never had a heavy car on full lock and has been trying to pull nearly 2 tonnes of shitbox back onto the road and away from that tree while utilizing its "state of the art" suspension that most motorsports car manufactures stopped using decades ago!

Like i've said before...When you actually have OWNED a few of your beloved commodores and DRIVEN them to their limit (and walked away), come back and we will talk about how ****** SUPERIOR THEY ARE NOT!!!!!

Get a clue you ******* 12 year old troll, they suck! and handle like a ******* boat!............................................. ..............end rant.

icemagic

Guess what i saw last night? A v6 VS commodore with an exhaust towing a nissan silvia and a rx7. Maybe a tad above the recomended towing capacity for a commodore but still. Like to see a silvia or the rx7 even attemped to tow half that weight.

Im done with yous, no matter what i prove yous arnt gonna car, Have fun with your plasic turbo/rotory riceboxes.

WAS:12A

iTrader: (4)

Don't worry mate we will........................



You have fun with your dick in your hand..................

Slides

the scary thing is people like that can still get a license.

If your still reading this mate, can you point out 1 commodore v8 that has made 250,000 without needing a head taken off to do a gasket or replace something.

I'd love to see a commodore engine making 2 or 3 times factory power either atmo or force induced that used all the factory internals too

icemagic

Oh its been done many times. My mums old VC commodore, she got it at 100 thousand Ks. It lasted till nearly 400 thousand Ks untill the motor was fucked, inbetween that time the engine had no problems, heads didnt come off once. And my mum doesnt babey her cars either. Like to see a rice box even last 250 thousand Ks.

2ndly on the street commodores website they showed a Turbo 6cyl VS commodore. It produced 307kw they also menched they did very little engine work to acheive that.

Serously you guys need to get a life. Commodores are the top selling car in australia and have been for many years, yous are just jelouse that your **** house mazda rx7 isnt even in the top 20.

And yes i know that commodore is now currently number 2, toyota corolla is outselling it now, but thats because of fuel prices, all 4 cylender cars are gaining in there sales.

Slides

I dare say cam. valves, springs, pistons and head gaskets/spacers, if not rods as well.

Probably had the ramp rate set dodgy on the dyno for that run too, rotors with that power level build with secondhand internals will run for 150000km easy too, I bet the v6 needed tear down and replacement of a lot of **** after 15-20000km.

On a rotor to support that power level all you need is a turbo and bigger injectors, a die grinder will mean you can do it with less boost .

And i bet if your mum revved her VC 2000rpm past red line like a lot of rotor owners do it wouldn't have lasted 10 seconds (or made any power "up" there).


Sure is a amazing that a focused sports car is nowhere near the sales volume of a taxi . Guess what the honda air cooled postie bikes sell more than any other bike in Australia too mate, does that mean they are king ****

Have you ever driven a car that handles?? Or with enough power to break out with both wheels spinning in 2nd gear (VB/VC/VL/VN/VP commodores don't count they have absolutely no rear grip even with decent tyres, unless they have a custom diff centre and good shocks )

Once you drive a real car your opinion might change, i don't care if its a v12, v8 or 4 cyl turbo or what, but maby (and giving you the credit of having feel and car control seems very generous based on the amazing gramatical and spelling skills and the general reflection of your intelect from your arguments) once you have driven something with a decent chassis and suspension you might have a clue.

I have a mate working as a mechanic and considering how incredibly low the specific output of the v8s is, they sure have to do a lot of work to fix most of the stuff comming from holden and ford. When the ls1's came out nearly every one of them had oval bores and was piston slapping and burning heaps of oil from the factory , any engine of that era that was asked to make more than factory power was cracking blocks too

Your obviously here cos you know there is something better, just admit it.