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bogan v8 commodore drivers dissing rotary power
in the last 3 months i have encounted a massive amount of commodore fuckers that dis rotarys. no matter what i say or prove how much rotary owns the fuck out of v8 commodores they still call them rice burners. i even pulled out the harsh comment...you got beaten by a 1.3 LOL. but yet the contine to dis them. i even show them the impressive tuning potentials of rotarys but they continue to dis them calling them pieces of shit.
i really dont care that much about it as i no the rotary especially 13b owns the shit out of most v8's on the road. but i was woundering if anybody has encounted this kind of publicity? perhaps its just the area of brisbane i live in :S |
lol its their problem, they prolly burn more fuel than you and go slower in their droning bombs :P poor misinformed people lol.. limiting themselve to aussie crap that they think is the best lol.. absolute gold.
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haha good comment, and its so true
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ok...1 person has commented...
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ya, hit ausrotary.com for aus discussion, not this forum :)
rx7club is a great resource, just the australian forum on here is only used by people who dont know about ausrotary, then when they find out they leave :P |
yeah i found the site yesterday lol. its a great forum to learn new stuff and have a generall chat. i posted this same topic up if your interested.
http://ausrotary.dntinternet.com/for...389423#1389423 |
Yeah you won't find much aussies on this site to be honest. Its got alot more info here than ausrotary btw which is why I prefer this site by far.
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Heres the thing that your rice box owners have no clue about. Yeh your rotory is quicker. For one its in a lighter car. Seconly when your rotory shits it self and you need an engine rebuild at 120thousand ks on the clock while the v8 has about 500 thousand then we will see whos laughing.
Serously tho, japs make shit cars, commodores and falcons are far superior, maybe not in quater mile times but we make cars big stong solid and made to protect its ocupents on impact, made to last. Get over yourself rotorys are good for 100 thousand ks. and any other rice box only goes quick because its light and has a piss poor body structure. plus yous use forced eduction. Holden all the way. burn your rice box, maybe then you can have fried rice for dinner just like every other asian has every night. |
^^^You'll learn when you get older just how "superior" Holden and Fords are, once you have owned a few....for now your too young to know better....but thanks for your input!
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Very diplomatic WAS:12A, I however am a little bored so will clear a few things up for ICEMAGIC
Originally Posted by icemagic
(Post 8264526)
Heres the thing that your rice box owners have no clue about. Yeh your rotory is quicker. For one its in a lighter car. Seconly when your rotory shits it self and you need an engine rebuild at 120thousand ks on the clock while the v8 has about 500 thousand then we will see whos laughing.
Serously tho, japs make shit cars, commodores and falcons are far superior, maybe not in quater mile times but we make cars big stong solid and made to protect its ocupents on impact, made to last. Get over yourself rotorys are good for 100 thousand ks. and any other rice box only goes quick because its light and has a piss poor body structure. plus yous use forced eduction. Holden all the way. burn your rice box, maybe then you can have fried rice for dinner just like every other asian has every night. You will like this http://yahoo.drive.com.au/Editorial/...rticleID=49101 (full article) Australia's first car-quality survey revealed (points out od 1000) Mazda 780 Honda 775 Toyota 772 Industry average 762 Mitsubishi 757 Subaru 755 Nissan 751 Hyundai 750 Kia 744 Ford 743 Holden 736 Even the Korean manufacturers owned Holden (as did Ford) Safety ratings are not much better. 97+ models are ok but pre-97 have varyingly bad results. For example, your VS (re-bagged VR) achieved only average results (the same as my significantly older FC Rx-7). http://www.mynrma.com.au/cps/rde/xbc...768E2-467ABE2E The Rx-8 has an 8 year 160,000 engine warrantee, what is the commodore warrantee again? At least Ford has acknowledged the fact that a turbo-V6 is a better option, it seems Holden is prepared to go to their grave producing a prehistoric engine. NB. It is not just the weight that leads to the rx-7 being faster- suspension, handling and breaking are far superior in the Mazda (to name just a few things). “The new VE comodore features double-pivot MacPherson strut front suspension and a four-link independent rear suspension have been introduced to replace the previous simple MacPherson strut design front and much criticised semi-trailing arm rear suspension for dramatically improved ride and handling” - Butler, Dowling, Hagon, Newton, p. 30 Welcome to the 90’s, ever heard of Double wishbone suspension? PS. Heres – Here’s or more correctly Here is Seconly – Secondly Yeh – Yeah Rotory – Rotary Whos – Who’s or more correctly, Who is Serously – Seriously Tho – Though Japs – Japanese Quater – Quarter or more correctly 400 meters Stong - Strong Ocupents – Occupants Yous – yours eduction – (Ironic) Induction ICEMAGIC if you feel the need to respond back your claims up evidence to instill some credibility in your comments. |
Tell them their driving the shittiest version of GM possible lmao. Why would you ever buy a holden lmao! I'm american and even I know not to buy US cars hahahaha...
They Fail! :lol: |
Well, of course the US-made GM cars are terrible, which is why they've started importing the Australian Holdens now:lol:
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....lets not forget that one of the most popular Holden Commodore's (if not the MOST popular) ever made, was running a Nissan engine!!!!!!....
...we could be here for days pointing out the flaws in his comments.... zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.......... |
Originally Posted by REVERE
(Post 8266595)
Very diplomatic WAS:12A, I however am a little bored so will clear a few things up for ICEMAGIC
You must be tremendously insecure if you feel the need to troll the net and drag up a 2 year old thread to defend your car. All you have accomplished is reinforcing the validity of the OP’s post, while also making a fool of yourself. You will like this http://yahoo.drive.com.au/Editorial/...rticleID=49101 (full article) Australia's first car-quality survey revealed (points out od 1000) Mazda 780 Honda 775 Toyota 772 Industry average 762 Mitsubishi 757 Subaru 755 Nissan 751 Hyundai 750 Kia 744 Ford 743 Holden 736 Even the Korean manufacturers owned Holden (as did Ford) Safety ratings are not much better. 97+ models are ok but pre-97 have varyingly bad results. For example, your VS (re-bagged VR) achieved only average results (the same as my significantly older FC Rx-7). http://www.mynrma.com.au/cps/rde/xbc...768E2-467ABE2E The Rx-8 has an 8 year 160,000 engine warrantee, what is the commodore warrantee again? At least Ford has acknowledged the fact that a turbo-V6 is a better option, it seems Holden is prepared to go to their grave producing a prehistoric engine. NB. It is not just the weight that leads to the rx-7 being faster- suspension, handling and breaking are far superior in the Mazda (to name just a few things). “The new VE comodore features double-pivot MacPherson strut front suspension and a four-link independent rear suspension have been introduced to replace the previous simple MacPherson strut design front and much criticised semi-trailing arm rear suspension for dramatically improved ride and handling” - Butler, Dowling, Hagon, Newton, p. 30 Welcome to the 90’s, ever heard of Double wishbone suspension? PS. Heres – Here’s or more correctly Here is Seconly – Secondly Yeh – Yeah Rotory – Rotary Whos – Who’s or more correctly, Who is Serously – Seriously Tho – Though Japs – Japanese Quater – Quarter or more correctly 400 meters Stong - Strong Ocupents – Occupants Yous – yours eduction – (Ironic) Induction ICEMAGIC if you feel the need to respond back your claims up evidence to instill some credibility in your comments. I know a guy who works for NRMA and he also told me about a problem commodores have, the part of the key wich strikes the ignition fails after time if you have other keys adding weight to your car key wich is a very minor problem. He also informed me that when NRMA did a servey on cars how many had call outs there were more for commodores than any other car, wich is bad for commos i know, but he also informed me that like 8 out of ten were about the ignition problem. and that minius this one problem, commodores would have come out as one of the top scores for this test. So yes commodores scored bad in that test, but due to one minor avoidable problem. As for you turbo lovers, atleast V8s dont sound like a bird taking a dump on the bonnet when they change gears, also no lag and v8s are also in a heavier stronger car than shit house ricebox turbos As for your shithouse warrenty on your RX7 try actualy find a RX7 that lives past 250 thousand Ks? Then look for a commodore? And bag the VE all you like but alfa romao are going to be useing the rear wheel drive platform in there new cars because its one of the best ones out, oh and whats that, we also pay a quater of the cost for a brand new VE. Heres an idea why dont you rice lovers go fuck yourselves, im sick of rice boys thinking there top shit cos there car sneezes every time it changes gears. |
Mate come back when you have actually OWNED a fucking commodore and we'll talk about how GREAT they are then............................in the meantime you can just keep on loving how your V8 "sounds" while it converts fuel into noise without the byproduct of horsepower......
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Originally Posted by WAS:12A
(Post 8291448)
while it converts fuel into noise without the byproduct of horsepower......
The first time I got my car dyno'ed (about 10yrs back now) I was having to wait for this bogan and his 4 mates to finish tuning. He had a WB ute with all the fruit, sounded great and span up 190ish rwhp, which I was really impressed with. My tuner at the time was laughing his head off and I didn't understand why.. just said watch and wait. So backed up my S4 and pulled 270 rwhp first run. The guy and mates where horrified and just left ... you could see their pain. At that stage I realised I'm made the right choice in car and engines. |
Originally Posted by Havoc
(Post 8297919)
Bahahah so true !!
The first time I got my car dyno'ed (about 10yrs back now) I was having to wait for this bogan and his 4 mates to finish tuning. He had a WB ute with all the fruit, sounded great and span up 190ish rwhp, which I was really impressed with. My tuner at the time was laughing his head off and I didn't understand why.. just said watch and wait. So backed up my S4 and pulled 270 rwhp first run. The guy and mates where horrified and just left ... you could see their pain. At that stage I realised I'm made the right choice in car and engines. Notice how every car in that link are lighter than commodores. A lot are also less powerfull, nearly all of them have less torque, but run better quater mile times. Get it through your head heavy cars arnt as quick, Heavy cars are saver tho, usualy have more boot space, usualy are structurly stronger, usualy have more cabin room. Look at the soarer, it puts out more power than a v6 commo yet its slower, thats because its weight is very similar to a commos. Bye the way a WB ute is OVER 20 years old, well and truely, get with the program. Id like to see how your early 80s jap crapers did back then? You people are idiots, Commodores are a better quality more practicle car that any mazda nissan heap of shit. Serously you pay all the money for imports and for what? To look cool infront of the odd person who might be mildly impressed? What gets more respect, super charged VE SS or a RX7 with neons??? |
Originally Posted by icemagic
(Post 8301334)
http://www.importforums.com/carsinfo.htm
Notice how every car in that link are lighter than commodores. A lot are also less powerfull, nearly all of them have less torque, but run better quater mile times. Get it through your head heavy cars arnt as quick, Heavy cars are saver tho, usualy have more boot space, usualy are structurly stronger, usualy have more cabin room. Look at the soarer, it puts out more power than a v6 commo yet its slower, thats because its weight is very similar to a commos. Bye the way a WB ute is OVER 20 years old, well and truely, get with the program. Id like to see how your early 80s jap crapers did back then? You people are idiots, Commodores are a better quality more practicle car that any mazda nissan heap of shit. Serously you pay all the money for imports and for what? To look cool infront of the odd person who might be mildly impressed? What gets more respect, super charged VE SS or a RX7 with neons??? Don't get me wrong, I have nothing against a properly built V8. I have nothing against a properly built ANYTHING for that matter. Can I ask you a question though, icemagic? How many of us do you think give half a shit about how safe or practical our vehicles are when we're putting diesel-truck-sized turbos on them and trying to make 400+RWHP in a car that weighs less than 3000 pounds? We care about how our cars perform: AND GUESS WHAT? They out-perform YOUR piece of shit Holden in every motorsport except for, MAYBE, drag racing.. even then, a properly built 13B can hold its own against most piston counterparts. So, do us all a favor: go back to grade school, learn a thing or two about how to properly assert your ideas through words, then do some automotive research so you can utilize your new elementary school skills to have an educationally sound argument instead of making an ass of yourself. Until then, shut the fuck up and stop being a troll. You're an idiot, and the perfect example of why there is so much unnecessary tension amongst car owners. Who gives a shit where its built or who by? They're all cars; they're all hunks of metal with engines--and with enough skills (which, clearly, you lack), time and money, you can build whatever the hell you want. Asshole. PS: Nice comparison between a supercharged VE SS and an RX-7 with neons. How many people on the RX7Club have neons on their '7? And of those who do, how many of them get ANY respect from the community? Try this instead: What gets more respect, a supercharged VE SS or a GT42R 20B powered FD? Personally, I'd say they're both awesome. But I think many other people (and not just in the RX7 community) would opt for the FD. Okay, now you can kindly shut the fuck up. |
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Might just add a few points from my area of expertise.
Originally Posted by icemagic
(Post 8301334)
http://www.importforums.com/carsinfo.htm
Notice how every car in that link are lighter than commodores. A lot are also less powerfull, nearly all of them have less torque, but run better quater mile times. Get it through your head heavy cars arnt as quick, Heavy cars are saver tho, usualy have more boot space, usualy are structurly stronger, usualy have more cabin room. Newton's 3rd law- To every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. Therefore it takes more force to get going and more force to stop, be it under brakes or into a tree, pole or car.
Originally Posted by icemagic
(Post 8301334)
Bye the way a WB ute is OVER 20 years old, well and truely, get with the program. Id like to see how your early 80s jap crapers did back then?
Originally Posted by icemagic
(Post 8301334)
You people are idiots, Commodores are a better quality more practicle car that any mazda nissan heap of shit. Serously you pay all the money for imports and for what? To look cool infront of the odd person who might be mildly impressed?
Also since when have imports been expensive?
Originally Posted by icemagic
(Post 8301334)
What gets more respect, super charged VE SS or a RX7 with neons???
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The funny thing is 98% of us wouldn't even keep a brand new top of the range Commodore if we were given one....Yet he still comes back here like we actually give a fuck what he thinks!....fucking trolling loser!
And he reckons heavy cars are safer??? He obviously has never had a heavy car on full lock and has been trying to pull nearly 2 tonnes of shitbox back onto the road and away from that tree while utilizing its "state of the art" suspension that most motorsports car manufactures stopped using decades ago! Like i've said before...When you actually have OWNED a few of your beloved commodores and DRIVEN them to their limit (and walked away), come back and we will talk about how FUCKIN SUPERIOR THEY ARE NOT!!!!! Get a clue you fucking 12 year old troll, they suck! and handle like a fucking boat!............................................. ..............end rant. |
Guess what i saw last night? A v6 VS commodore with an exhaust towing a nissan silvia and a rx7. Maybe a tad above the recomended towing capacity for a commodore but still. Like to see a silvia or the rx7 even attemped to tow half that weight.
Im done with yous, no matter what i prove yous arnt gonna car, Have fun with your plasic turbo/rotory riceboxes. |
Don't worry mate we will........................
You have fun with your dick in your hand.................. :lol: |
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the scary thing is people like that can still get a license. If your still reading this mate, can you point out 1 commodore v8 that has made 250,000 without needing a head taken off to do a gasket or replace something. I'd love to see a commodore engine making 2 or 3 times factory power either atmo or force induced that used all the factory internals too :hahaha: |
Originally Posted by Slides
(Post 8304700)
:lol:
the scary thing is people like that can still get a license. If your still reading this mate, can you point out 1 commodore v8 that has made 250,000 without needing a head taken off to do a gasket or replace something. I'd love to see a commodore engine making 2 or 3 times factory power either atmo or force induced that used all the factory internals too :hahaha: 2ndly on the street commodores website they showed a Turbo 6cyl VS commodore. It produced 307kw they also menched they did very little engine work to acheive that. Serously you guys need to get a life. Commodores are the top selling car in australia and have been for many years, yous are just jelouse that your shit house mazda rx7 isnt even in the top 20. And yes i know that commodore is now currently number 2, toyota corolla is outselling it now, but thats because of fuel prices, all 4 cylender cars are gaining in there sales. |
Originally Posted by Cocksmoker
2ndly on the street commodores website they showed a Turbo 6cyl VS commodore. It produced 307kw they also menched they did very little engine work to acheive that.
Probably had the ramp rate set dodgy on the dyno for that run too, rotors with that power level build with secondhand internals will run for 150000km easy too, I bet the v6 needed tear down and replacement of a lot of shit after 15-20000km. On a rotor to support that power level all you need is a turbo and bigger injectors, a die grinder will mean you can do it with less boost :lol: . And i bet if your mum revved her VC 2000rpm past red line like a lot of rotor owners do it wouldn't have lasted 10 seconds (or made any power "up" there). Sure is a amazing that a focused sports car is nowhere near the sales volume of a taxi :lol: . Guess what the honda air cooled postie bikes sell more than any other bike in Australia too mate, does that mean they are king shit :biggrin: Have you ever driven a car that handles?? Or with enough power to break out with both wheels spinning in 2nd gear (VB/VC/VL/VN/VP commodores don't count they have absolutely no rear grip even with decent tyres, unless they have a custom diff centre and good shocks :wallbash: ) Once you drive a real car your opinion might change, i don't care if its a v12, v8 or 4 cyl turbo or what, but maby (and giving you the credit of having feel and car control seems very generous based on the amazing gramatical and spelling skills and the general reflection of your intelect from your arguments) once you have driven something with a decent chassis and suspension you might have a clue. I have a mate working as a mechanic and considering how incredibly low the specific output of the v8s is, they sure have to do a lot of work to fix most of the stuff comming from holden and ford. When the ls1's came out nearly every one of them had oval bores and was piston slapping and burning heaps of oil from the factory :icon_no2: , any engine of that era that was asked to make more than factory power was cracking blocks too :lol: Your obviously here cos you know there is something better, just admit it. |
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