Turblown

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We are going to be continuously uploading base maps to the Adaptronic forum from each car we have tuned. Here is the direct link;

ECU config files

So far there is;

A pump gas single turbo FD map with stock primaries, ID2000 secondaries, waste spark stock coils( MSD 6AL on leading), and stock trigger wheel.

A E85 single turbo FD with ID1000 primaries, ID2000 secondaries, AEM spark coils in direct fire and an FFE Rx-8/Subaru style Trigger Wheel.

A pump gas single turbo FC map, ID725/2200s with AEM coils in direct fire mode with stock CAS.

I will be adding another single turbo map with 4 ID2000s on pump, and E85 as soon as I get more time.

Turblown

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I have updated almost all of the above maps with better cold start enrichment, throttle response, timing maps, etc etc. I will be adding a dyno tuned S4 map( stock turbo, street-port etc) in a few weeks also.

For those of you guys who are not aware it is Extremely easy to setup and run one of these units. You really don't need a base map. Here is what I do to generate base maps;

A) Trigger setup; Is the car running wasted spark or direct fire? Is the car running the OEM CAS(FC3S/13BRE/20B), MAG triggers(FD3S/Rx-8), or FFE kits?

Under the TRIGGERING tab you can hit the CHOOSE ENGINE FOR TRIGGER SETTINGS button and it will guide you through this process( we are adding the FFE units in the next firmware, but all OEM rotary setups are there under MAZDA).

If you are using the stock coils leave the dwell time at 3000( which is 3 ms), if you are using the IGN-1A coils for a direct fire system set this to 4500. Dwell timing is setup under the TRIGGERING TAB also.

B)Corrections TAB If the car is using an external wideband check the CLOSED LOOP MODE to closed loop

Under DEAD TIME CORRECTIONS enter your injector lag settings. If you are using Injector Dynamics units simply hit the ID shortcuts and enter your base fuel pressure( base fuel pressure is engine running, with vacuum source to fuel pressure regulator disconnected).
P2 is only for Rx-8s, or Rx-7 owners running an Xcessive LIM with 3 sets of staging( 6+ injectors/etc).

Transient throttle map( throttle response) generally needs EXTRA SENSITIVE throttle setting checked( especially for those without secondary butterflies, throttle body porting, bigger throttle bodies etc)

Split timing, set to zero out of boost, and start with 10 degrees in positive pressure. This will interpolated between cells.

C) POWER CUT TAB setup the rev limiter and overboost cut. This can save your engine! The 1 second overboost is basically a pre-warning, and not as harsh of a boost cut. Set this usually 1 psi below your instant overboost power cut. Make sure these are within your MAXIMUM MAP settings( found in the TUNING MODES TAB) You cannot have your boost cut set to 31 psi, if your maximum map is set to 30psi or it won't turn on!

D) Target AFR TAB setup which is is pretty straight forward.
I usually set this up to idle at 12.5AFR, Cruise at 14.7 afr, 13.1 AFR at 0 PSI, 12.0 AFR @ 8psi, 11.5 AFR @ 15 psi, and 11.0 AFR above this.

E) TUNING MODES Set your maximum boost pressure in the MAXIMUM MAP box. Keep your goals realistic here as you lose map resolution setting this too high. Next TUNING MODES should be set to 1=MAP, 2 = unused. This means your main fuel and ignition map will be set to MAP 1, and will use a MAP sensor for main calculations. All of these ecus have dual maps, there is MAP 1 and MAP 2. Under the TUNING TAB you will see it has a box marked MAP, with fuel 1, fuel 2, ignition 1, ignition 2. Fuel/Ignition 1 are your primary map, and FUEL/Ignition 2 are your secondary map( which will be unused).

Next you need to enter your injector sizes. These values are for gasoline only! If you are using alcohol based fuel, like E85, reduce your injector size by 1/3.

F) TUNING TAB
Use fuel 1, and ignition 1 as your fuel and ignition maps.
A good rule of thumb is 0 to 10 degrees advance at idle, 34 degrees advance at the high vacuum setting( tapering up and down based on RPM), and 15 degrees advance at peak torque for 15psi. Again taper this up and down from low to high boost, and before and after peak torque.

Fuel map will probably need around 65 to 75 VE numbers for idle, 90s in the cruising, and 100ish areas in boost to start with.

rex7tuner

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Damn this is some really good info! thanks alot for this write up!

ksu-chewie

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Why do you run so rich at idle? Are you concerned about carbon buildup?

Turblown

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Those afrs are merely just starting points. Generally out of boost you run the engine as lean as possible without stalling. Generally the more ported an engine is the richer it will need to idle and possibly cruise too. Further more if you aren't running an idle control motor, or don't have a big batterty(relocation for example ) it may be harder to get a steady idle, especially if its set low in all idle conditons. Every engine is different.

silverTRD

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I'll be generating a base map for my new motor. It's a street port and I have ID2000 secondaries with a FFE trigger wheel running NS twins. Can I just modify the S6 base map in the ecu according to this guide? Change the trigger settings that Elliot said in another thread and the injectors basically and that should be all? THanks

silverTRD

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I reinstalled Ver13 on my PC and actually found the ecu manual. It's quite simple with the proper information. I'll mess with it more today after work.

whizzybang

Hello,
Sorry to dig out a thread this old but, since the adaptronic forum link is down, is there another place where i can find a map for an FD running on E85 like the one you posted in your first post ?
That would help a lot.
Thanks

t2ae

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I dont think there is anywhere to get them now

RGHTBrainDesign

I can post basemaps on here.

cr-rex

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please do

RGHTBrainDesign

Since it's taking my time to do this, I'd at least want to know where to start with some specifics on vehicle configuration.

The Adaptronic Basemap is pretty terrible for ignition timing, injector setup, any boost control, any closed loop controls, etc. There's quite a few issues which took a month of my time experimenting with a car every day to figure out trends of what works and what doesn't.

Point is, for anyone looking to use these, you should first understand how to calibrate an engine and some basics of EFI. I wouldn't run this map on a car for any real driving or expect it to be "safe". It's simply going to be there for you to build off of and learn from.

whizzybang

Hi,
Here is the setup :
13B REW, unknown porting although she doesn't brap.
Stock ignition.
Garrett GT35
No BC, only WG spring set to 15psi
1000cc primaries, 2000cc secondaries
Running on E85.

I have already done few piston engine tuning, as well as my very own 13b PP, but it was running with a much simpler system.

Is that enough ?

Thanks for your help.

t2ae

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Glad to see you helping the community every way possible. Btw this is colby from Facebook. Small world in the community of rx7s. Will vouch RGHTBrainDesign is a stand up guy and good at what he does