Adaptronic Adaptronic - Additional Modules and sensors?
07-17-19, 07:06 PM
#51
I gotchu Skeese, but these are a waste of your time.
I have yet to see them on ANY motorsports car in the history of EVER. They do get clogged and do fail.
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One proper solution is to run a damped (T1R or FFE) eMAP to one ECU MAP signal, and Barometric off of the other. Run an external MAP sensor for your primary MAP.
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I have yet to see them on ANY motorsports car in the history of EVER. They do get clogged and do fail.
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One proper solution is to run a damped (T1R or FFE) eMAP to one ECU MAP signal, and Barometric off of the other. Run an external MAP sensor for your primary MAP.
T1R EMAP Sensor Damper Kit
The emap canister setup is only going to be functional for positive pressure readings and will significantly dull the response in a vacuum application, especially on a heavily ported car that pulls extremely low vacuum at idle. its hard enough getting a useable map signal in vaccum on a big port car without diluting an already extremely weak vacuum signal.
Id simply thread a map sensor into a tapped port on my UIM and cut out the hose and moisture condensation risk to the ecu map sensor than spend all the money and adding all the emap stuff...
Just my .02c
Skeese
07-17-19, 07:16 PM
#52
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Mount an external MAP sensor above the vacuum source point. Problem solved. Apart from the contaminate issue, IMO external is also better from the perspective of having a short immediate run of hose to the sensor, minimising the risk of leaks or signal delay. I'd run an external MAP even if the ECU had it inbuilt. High end motorsport ECUs like Motec do not have inbuilt MAP sensors and this makes good sense for a number of reasons.
I also find the argument laughable that no other ECU manufacturers put out products with some features broken or not fully implemented. dguy pretty much nailed it in his comment.
Even taking the Haltech Elite series. We're looking at these through rose coloured products as this is now a very mature model line, having been released in 2014. These were unusable on rotaries when they were first released. For example, rotary and staged injection was not available until a firmware update in around mid-2015 and Renesis trigger didn't work and wasn't resolved until 2 further firmware versions later. Even after those basic support issues were addressed, I remember hearing about ignition or triggering issues. I can't remember the exact issue but at the time I was being advised to stay away from the Elite until those issues were resolved. Now, these are all ancient history of course and the Elite product is now considered very robust.
Issues with Adaptronic Select are being brought up but that's a very old product now. The E8/E11 and Platinum series had all sorts of hardware problems too and I know several people who had to have their units sent for board replacement (at their own cost, due to warranty expiry). I'm not pretending Adaptronic is perfect and I have no vested interest in any of these brands. I have an open mind and have actually considered both Haltech Elite and Adaptronic Modular for my own current project. In the end, I decided against both of them, which has absolutely nothing to do with reliability or support, and everything to do with Link G4+ offering WAY more bang for buck. Clearly Adaptronic have some issues with the Modular. For the most part there are many many rotaries running these ECUs successfully and without issue. The biggest issue is apparently communication, especially with the removal of discussion forum and the website apparently broken (all the tech pages seem to automatically redirect to the main page), but also if there are known hardware defects and customers aren't getting the service they ought to in order to resolve them. But in the process of discussing these issues, it's important not to exaggerate or whitewash competitor products as being perfect either.
I also find the argument laughable that no other ECU manufacturers put out products with some features broken or not fully implemented. dguy pretty much nailed it in his comment.
Even taking the Haltech Elite series. We're looking at these through rose coloured products as this is now a very mature model line, having been released in 2014. These were unusable on rotaries when they were first released. For example, rotary and staged injection was not available until a firmware update in around mid-2015 and Renesis trigger didn't work and wasn't resolved until 2 further firmware versions later. Even after those basic support issues were addressed, I remember hearing about ignition or triggering issues. I can't remember the exact issue but at the time I was being advised to stay away from the Elite until those issues were resolved. Now, these are all ancient history of course and the Elite product is now considered very robust.
Issues with Adaptronic Select are being brought up but that's a very old product now. The E8/E11 and Platinum series had all sorts of hardware problems too and I know several people who had to have their units sent for board replacement (at their own cost, due to warranty expiry). I'm not pretending Adaptronic is perfect and I have no vested interest in any of these brands. I have an open mind and have actually considered both Haltech Elite and Adaptronic Modular for my own current project. In the end, I decided against both of them, which has absolutely nothing to do with reliability or support, and everything to do with Link G4+ offering WAY more bang for buck. Clearly Adaptronic have some issues with the Modular. For the most part there are many many rotaries running these ECUs successfully and without issue. The biggest issue is apparently communication, especially with the removal of discussion forum and the website apparently broken (all the tech pages seem to automatically redirect to the main page), but also if there are known hardware defects and customers aren't getting the service they ought to in order to resolve them. But in the process of discussing these issues, it's important not to exaggerate or whitewash competitor products as being perfect either.
07-19-19, 09:35 AM
#53
I think you're letting some personal bias cloud the issue of general software buggyness. Software has bugs. Period. Haltech makes great products and is obviously far more reliable, tested, and supported than Adaptronic's pre-purchase releases but to say that they release updates/patches solely for upgrades and not bug fixes is naive IMHO. They're also (from what I've seen thus far) very transparent with their failures. Adaptronic is....not, so I get where you're coming from.
Mount an external MAP sensor above the vacuum source point. Problem solved. Apart from the contaminate issue, IMO external is also better from the perspective of having a short immediate run of hose to the sensor, minimising the risk of leaks or signal delay. I'd run an external MAP even if the ECU had it inbuilt. High end motorsport ECUs like Motec do not have inbuilt MAP sensors and this makes good sense for a number of reasons.
I also find the argument laughable that no other ECU manufacturers put out products with some features broken or not fully implemented. dguy pretty much nailed it in his comment.
Even taking the Haltech Elite series. We're looking at these through rose coloured products as this is now a very mature model line, having been released in 2014. These were unusable on rotaries when they were first released. For example, rotary and staged injection was not available until a firmware update in around mid-2015 and Renesis trigger didn't work and wasn't resolved until 2 further firmware versions later. Even after those basic support issues were addressed, I remember hearing about ignition or triggering issues. I can't remember the exact issue but at the time I was being advised to stay away from the Elite until those issues were resolved. Now, these are all ancient history of course and the Elite product is now considered very robust.
Issues with Adaptronic Select are being brought up but that's a very old product now. The E8/E11 and Platinum series had all sorts of hardware problems too and I know several people who had to have their units sent for board replacement (at their own cost, due to warranty expiry). I'm not pretending Adaptronic is perfect and I have no vested interest in any of these brands. I have an open mind and have actually considered both Haltech Elite and Adaptronic Modular for my own current project. In the end, I decided against both of them, which has absolutely nothing to do with reliability or support, and everything to do with Link G4+ offering WAY more bang for buck. Clearly Adaptronic have some issues with the Modular. For the most part there are many many rotaries running these ECUs successfully and without issue. The biggest issue is apparently communication, especially with the removal of discussion forum and the website apparently broken (all the tech pages seem to automatically redirect to the main page), but also if there are known hardware defects and customers aren't getting the service they ought to in order to resolve them. But in the process of discussing these issues, it's important not to exaggerate or whitewash competitor products as being perfect either.
I also find the argument laughable that no other ECU manufacturers put out products with some features broken or not fully implemented. dguy pretty much nailed it in his comment.
Even taking the Haltech Elite series. We're looking at these through rose coloured products as this is now a very mature model line, having been released in 2014. These were unusable on rotaries when they were first released. For example, rotary and staged injection was not available until a firmware update in around mid-2015 and Renesis trigger didn't work and wasn't resolved until 2 further firmware versions later. Even after those basic support issues were addressed, I remember hearing about ignition or triggering issues. I can't remember the exact issue but at the time I was being advised to stay away from the Elite until those issues were resolved. Now, these are all ancient history of course and the Elite product is now considered very robust.
Issues with Adaptronic Select are being brought up but that's a very old product now. The E8/E11 and Platinum series had all sorts of hardware problems too and I know several people who had to have their units sent for board replacement (at their own cost, due to warranty expiry). I'm not pretending Adaptronic is perfect and I have no vested interest in any of these brands. I have an open mind and have actually considered both Haltech Elite and Adaptronic Modular for my own current project. In the end, I decided against both of them, which has absolutely nothing to do with reliability or support, and everything to do with Link G4+ offering WAY more bang for buck. Clearly Adaptronic have some issues with the Modular. For the most part there are many many rotaries running these ECUs successfully and without issue. The biggest issue is apparently communication, especially with the removal of discussion forum and the website apparently broken (all the tech pages seem to automatically redirect to the main page), but also if there are known hardware defects and customers aren't getting the service they ought to in order to resolve them. But in the process of discussing these issues, it's important not to exaggerate or whitewash competitor products as being perfect either.
Again though, I never said the software had always been perfect. Its a mature product that has been proven on our platform. Aside from the PFC, you won't find another ECU with anywhere near as much online rotary support....its a known recipe. None can be said about the prior or current status of any of the adaptronic products, that whole show is a complete mess right now and until we see a more mature haltech-impacted version and what the haltech end game is with it I can't see why anyone would buy it. Maybe I'm missing something, but I really don't get it.
Skeese
07-19-19, 11:55 AM
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