NissanConvert

iTrader: (1)

enjoy your ban, troll. I can understand buying products that don't have moving parts for the reasons mentioned. I wouldn't trust a wastegate or turbo though.

grimple1

iTrader: (1)

I have no problem paying a higher price for a better quality product that has significant R&D implimented. The problem, as I see it, is that it's designs that we've seen in traditional products with larger than required price tags. There's only a few ways to make an intercooler or an exhaust. Therefore, the "R&D" of these products are next to nothing, YET their prices do not drop -- in fact increase due to name recognition ONLY.

I know I'll probably get flamed for this but it's the aftermarket companies that charge 600+ for an exhaust or 1K+ for an intercooler that has had R&D done well over 15 years ago fault for not staying competative in an open global market. AND to top it off, they're probably not even the ones that did the initial R&D in the first place.


I buy products that I know 1) work 2) have a reputation for working and/or 3) are from "car specific stores" that are reputable for working within a car community. Whether it's a "knock off" of something else doesn't even enter into my mind. Nor should it.

Miata_mx5

People that make proper parts and do Research and development want to get paid for it. People that do not value their time, nor do they care about their customers, will rip you off.

It is a question of quality control more than anything else. Supposedly the XS power, SS Autochrome, E-Bay w/e parts are just as good. Then how does an ebay KA24DE - Turbo Stainless steel exhaust manifold rust? Why does the japanese aluminum weigh much less than the chinese w/e aluminum? Anyone can say their stuff is the best, when there is no governing or quality control body. It costs $2000- $2500 dollars for a good quality robotic TIG Welded Titanium exhaust. I have seen Ebay "Ti exhausts" weigh twice as much as a real autoselect titanium exhaust. How can that be...if it was all the same in a "global market"?

Where is the quality control? There are bad apples in every bunch. The lowest greddy intercoolers are bar and plate too, that is why you do not buy them. Picking and choosing is key to building a fast, reliable, quality car.

Sure, joe schmoe can go to seibon or vis to buy a knockoff SCOOT hood that fits for crap or is made with Carbon overlayed Fiberglass. A real SCOOT hood costs a ton more, but it provides much better benefits, and for one is wind-tunnel tested. No one has yet, 100 percent, copied a Scoot hood...why? Because research and dev. cannot be beaten

It is not a question of buying expensive JDM parts: Companies like OHLINS, ARAGOSTA, BREMBO, COMPTECH, FULL RACE whether european, american or japanese CHARGE $$$$ for quality parts. Can a name brand part fail? Sure! No one is perfect. But, no body is going to ditch their Lexus LS430 for a stupid, made in china shitbox because its about 40,000 dollars cheaper JUST BECAUSE IT DOES THE JOB.

That is the difference between a made in china ROTORA brake kit that has the rotors crack vs an AP Racing brake kit. If someone has to complain that real parts are too expensive and they cannot afford it, obviously they are in the wrong car or the wrong hobby.

http://datruthcometh.blogspot.com/index.html (WW) Scroll down.

For all the XS power lovers: http://jdm-insider.com/Blogs/Eric/?p=684

finnicky7

Well put Miata MX-5.

Just to add Tial is American made, might as well help out our shitty economy where you can.

jamie_supra

people say that XS power stuff isnt very good. I have run XS power stuff and i have not had a problem! there seems to be a lot of 'snobbery' when it comes to aftermarket products and not everyone can / wants to pay for items that just arent good value for money. in the Uk it can cost £3000 for an HKS turbo while we can import an XS power one for £150. they both make similar boost etc and the power curves on the dyno are not dissimilar. If the oil seals go after a few thousand miles............ so what.... buy a new one. at those kind of savings you can afford to!!!

Miata_mx5

Not saying it will happen, if you want to risk the fins on the turbo snapping and flying off playing pinball in your engine, thats well over "3000 pounds" of damage. But as long as you understand that, its fine. It has happened to people i know that have run glued together XS turbo "turbo kits". You can piece together a turbo kit with a garrett turbo for a lot less than 3000 pounds. Real turbos are not that $$$ anymore.

finnicky7

Have at it! You want to run a POS turbo that WILL FAIL be my guest, but don't expect any of us who actually build cars to support your idiocy. Oh, and when turbos fail they tend to take engines with them. But if you want be the next newbie crying about blowing your engine with ebay special-ed parts, have at it.

XxMerlinxX

iTrader: (2)

A turbo is definitely on the top of the DO NOT BUY list from XS Power. There are tons of horror stories relating to turbos exploding, splitting open, leaking, etc. etc. Intercoolers and exhausts are one thing, but engine critical parts like wastegates and turbos are something else.

Miata_mx5

Some of these people either need to own different cars are or in the wrong field/hobby

Certain companies are $$$, and have a good name FOR A REASON. There is a reason why manufacturers use turbos like IHI, and Garrett. If it was so cheap, everyone should run XS POWER.

Sammy Built

iTrader: (18)

ive used xs power 50 mm wastegate and was impressed with the results but dont really trust the blowoff valves but can personally vouch for the maniflods too!!!!

stonehac

****ers here is your proof!!!

Chinese Made Turbo, wastegate and intercooler Dyno run. 450hp.

http://internetisseriousbusiness.com/yea!!!

NissanConvert

iTrader: (1)

I guess you think we're new. Up your game next time and put it in a tinyurl. To all others, this gentleman is trying to rickroll you and give you a popup tornado. Unless you ctrl+alt+del and end your browser process you will have to click every_single_one before you regain control of your browser.

Used properly- it's humorous, here- just stupid.

grimple1

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I find it amusingly ironic that this guy's website has ads all over it and has the nerve to complain about people being cheap.

practice what you preach and pony up the money for a site not hosted by geocities.





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Miata_mx5

Looks like this loser got his *** kicked on Freshalloy, and he is going to keep trolling around preaching his garbage "trying to share his experiences" on forum to forum untill someone bored gives him attention.

Eric Hsu owns XS ENGINEERING.

www.xs-engineering.com.

That was just his personal blog. I use photobucket for my business too. What point does that prove?

stony

I joined this website a while ago because it was pretty cool and I enjoy rx-7s in general. What I don’t like and cant stand are mother fockers that dog and talk **** to people because they aren’t in line with your particular way of thinking.

So for those of you who didn’t jump on the band wagon with these **** thanks. For those of you who felt it necessary to talk **** that’s cool to. I know your just trying to protect your over priced hi end product that is made in the same fuking part of the country that the Lo end knockoff **** is. See ya at the track!!!

prrex4ever

iTrader: (3)

You buy cheap you get cheap. There is a good reason why they don't cost as much and it's not because of a name brand. Cut corners if you like, for my FD only the best I can afford. It's something I don't have to worry about. Maybe if I had a Honda it would be different!

Scrub

iTrader: (25)

Nice language. This forum/community is going down hill. Miata, since Rx-7s are dropping in price these young kids buy them with the little money they scrape together....then they can't afford quality parts and buy cheap crap. You know I agree with everything you post, we've talked about it before.