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Old 12-30-04, 03:05 PM
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Why would it be hitting fuel cut?

My car is hitting fuel cut out of 1st/2nd gear, it has a 3" exhaust (exept for 2.75 ID MP). I thought it would only boost creep to fuel cut with this set-up???


I also have apexi filters, and a PFC on the way, but I'm thinking I have another problem since it's still doing it, even after I rehooked the wastegate... I've heard people talking about "pills" Woule this affect the wastegate's operation? Or lead to fuel cut in anyways?


Also it won't go past .8 bar, which I think it normal??? And in 3rd gear, with a pull from 2500 RPM's it will fly to 100 MPH before I knew what was happening, and it didn't fuel cut! WTF????
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I would expect you to hit fuel cut in 3rd rather than 1st or 2nd. It sounds like you may have a different problem. .8 bar is around 12 psi (??) which is too high for the stock ecu with midpipe.
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That would tikle me pink if it's not fuel cut. (unless it's something worse )


EDIT: Just converted it, and .8 bar-11.6 PSI....

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Fuel cut depends on a few things, here's the basic map:

http://www.scuderiaciriani.com/rx7/fuel_cut_info.html
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OK, I now know that it's not boost replated! I capped the line that runs from the wastegate to the silinoid. And I'm now seeing intake manifold levels of .45 bar! Can't be fuel cut!


Maybe I put my boost guage in a bad place? It's a mechanical RE.... I put it on a vacume nipple on the upper intake manifold that was empty, had a vacume cap on it.... it is next to were one of the BOVs is. Bad place maybe? Even if it is, I can't believe it would be 50% off!
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Nope, that's a common location for a boost gauge vacuum line. Just FYI, I "Tee'd" mine off the MAP sensor line (IMO it better to see exactly what the MAP sensor is seeing).

So, are you saying the car is just losing power after a certain RPM range in 1st and 2nd gear but pulls just fine in 3rd?
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I don't want to T the pressure sensor, because then it will distort the reading that the ECU see's.... Or that is what I think.


And yeah, it seems to only do it in 1st/2nd. The car isn't street legal (got no title, tags, or a windshield with no holes!!!!) So the only place I drive it is around the neighborhood, and on roads with little/no traffic. I've never gotten into high RPM's in any other gear than third so I'm assuming it's only 1st/2nd. Someone said it might be because of fuel temp/pressure??? Or something like that. It happens right around 4500 RPM's. Even with low boost!

Also, yesterday it wasn't doing it with the higher boost. It was running great/pulling strong, but I thought the clutch was bad (even though it was only the pedal being misadjusted ) so I took it home, and stopped messing with it. But today, I lossen the pedal and let the PP clamp all the way, and now it just looks power again.

I'm lost....
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Originally Posted by Cory Simpson
I don't want to T the pressure sensor, because then it will distort the reading that the ECU see's.... Or that is what I think.
It won't cause a problem with the map sensor. I'm some cases, it has provided a slightly different reading than the other location (which has been noted in some threads here on the forum). I'd rather error on the side of the map sensor myself.


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And yeah, it seems to only do it in 1st/2nd. The car isn't street legal (got no title, tags, or a windshield with no holes!!!!) So the only place I drive it is around the neighborhood, and on roads with little/no traffic. I've never gotten into high RPM's in any other gear than third so I'm assuming it's only 1st/2nd. Someone said it might be because of fuel temp/pressure??? Or something like that. It happens right around 4500 RPM's. Even with low boost!
I would check two things (in no particular order):

1. TCA actuator/solenoids
2. Secondary injectors

You are probably going to need to find a large open/empty parking to do some testing so you can see what's happening for sure.
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Well.... I didn't want to, but I guess I have to pull the intake and check those.


Also is the TCA one of the large pods on the bottom side of the turbo's???
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OK, the FD intake is wayyyyyy worse to take off than an FC's!!!


Also due to not seeing a couple vacume lines 3 nipples got broken I'm going to go ahead and put block off plates on, and remove the airpump while I got the intake off. But what do the two siliniods bolted directly to the upper intake manifold go to??? Each one has 2 vacume nipple, and one lost both, the other lost one.... Can I just remove those, Or are they important?
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OK, if I'm not mistaken, the two silinoids I am refering to are the prespool/wastegate silinoids?


Damnit!
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I suggest that you take the car to a rotary shop in your area before you break anything else.
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Bahhh, three nipples. I'm going to remove all the emissions crap anyways. even though the only things I broke aren't emissions....


And there is no rotary shops in/around Aiken! And I'm to cheap to pay someone for **** I can do.


Also, I was searching and kept reading about the Wade Lanthum simplification. Does anyone have a link to this? All the links I found were password or some ****.
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The two solenoids bolted to the UIM are disconnected? Are you non-seq?

What are you using for boost/wastegate control?
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They were connected, but when I removed the UIM I didn't see the vacume lines, and the nipples broke off... Easy fix.


Also, I'm going to try and do this:

http://www.newwave.net/~flanham/wlan...urbosystem.jpg


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Originally Posted by Cory Simpson
They were connected, but when I removed the UIM I didn't see the vacume lines, and the nipples broke off... Easy fix.
Are they hooked up now or not?
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The intake is still off, but they will be rehooked. Seeing as how I believe they are needed.
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