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Old Jan 20, 2005 | 04:51 PM
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I have heard that the rear end swap (to a 4.10 or higher) is the best mod you can do for the auto. Now is a good time to swap as there are a few v8 swap rx7 guys looking for 3.9s.
you know iam wondering if this is really worth it... especially if persay someone liked to have fun on highways . now I know 3rd tops out at about Oooo 130-135 depending on how high you take it and then you hit that super tall fourth gear which is where the car your racing whoops your ***. So what iam wondering is would the 4.10's or 4.30's (whatever) have a better or worse effect on top end??? btw if I change gears wtf can I use adjust the speedo?

p.s. I make 310whp on my auto
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Old Jan 20, 2005 | 05:30 PM
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because most people have horribly mechanical luck with the auto tranny FDs come with.

there you go, the end. most people blow them up one after the other.



and ******* FYI, a 3000 STALL does NOT mean that the tranny doesn't see torque till 3k. same for any other stall speed. jesus, ******* newbs, welcome to how torque converters work.
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Old Jan 20, 2005 | 05:44 PM
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http://auto.howstuffworks.com/torque-converter.htm

Always, before you go flapping your lips about how something works make sure you know what you are talking about. RXASSASIN7, I recommend you start being a bit more careful with your posts before nobody on here takes you seriously any more. Would be a shame for you to lose such a valuable source of info.
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Old Jan 20, 2005 | 06:00 PM
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thaks for blowing it for me guys I could really use the dough! Do you even own an rx7? Look on page K-11 in the 1994 FSM. Stock stall is listed as 3000-3300 rpm. You can also look in the yamaguchi book on page 88, where it is listed as 3000. I wish I had the time and energy to scan it and spoon feed it to ya, but I 've wasted enough time already.
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Old Jan 20, 2005 | 06:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Ball joint
you know iam wondering if this is really worth it... especially if persay someone liked to have fun on highways . now I know 3rd tops out at about Oooo 130-135 depending on how high you take it and then you hit that super tall fourth gear which is where the car your racing whoops your ***. So what iam wondering is would the 4.10's or 4.30's (whatever) have a better or worse effect on top end??? btw if I change gears wtf can I use adjust the speedo?

p.s. I make 310whp on my auto
yeah the 4.10 or 4.33 would lower (in theory) your top speed. i think in reality top speeds are drag limited. you might enjoy this link (go about 5 posts down):

http://www.scuderiaciriani.com/rx7/differential.html
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Old Jan 20, 2005 | 06:53 PM
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Originally Posted by weaklink
yeah the 4.10 or 4.33 would lower (in theory) your top speed. i think in reality top speeds are drag limited. you might enjoy this link (go about 5 posts down):

http://www.scuderiaciriani.com/rx7/differential.html

no no what I mean is would it effect your acceleration lets say from ohhh..... 120-160 or so. I dont really care about my top TOP speed its my acceleration at high speeds that I care about.
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Old Jan 20, 2005 | 10:50 PM
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a) all rx7's have factory stall @ 2200rpm
b)if you dont know that you need to call Dacco and ask for the stall speed on a FM68 that is your torque converter code (fyi)
c)why don't you stop reading books and mags like a little ***** and work on them then you would know the converter code moron... newbie my *** ... wheres my money bitch ?????????
d)the stall has to do with how much fluid it takes to fill the converter and apply the impeller fans in order to boost the torque capacity of the transmission.
f)if you slam the gas to the floor you would not see full torque cap. until 3000rpm, which means as same as riding the clutch and dumping it at 3000rpms

god if im the newbie what the hell are you?

Always, before you go flapping your lips about how something works make sure you know what you are talking about. RXASSASIN7, I recommend you start being a bit more careful with your posts before nobody on here takes you seriously any more. Would be a shame for you to lose such a valuable source of info
what good is resources on here when they are incorrect? why am i the *** hole for disagreeing and fighting the conversation for truth?
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Old Jan 20, 2005 | 11:11 PM
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cant we all just get along?
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Old Jan 20, 2005 | 11:52 PM
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cant these guys just get it right?
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Old Jan 21, 2005 | 12:47 AM
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Originally Posted by weaklink
thaks for blowing it for me guys I could really use the dough! Do you even own an rx7? Look on page K-11 in the 1994 FSM. Stock stall is listed as 3000-3300 rpm. You can also look in the yamaguchi book on page 88, where it is listed as 3000. I wish I had the time and energy to scan it and spoon feed it to ya, but I 've wasted enough time already.
hey r...
Shame on you, dueling with an unarmed man. lmao.
Thanks for your post with this link - good info http://www.scuderiaciriani.com/rx7/differential.html
im really pleased with the 5% performance difference ive gotten from my recent switch from 3.9 to 4.1, but i not surprised after checking the comparative ratios and doing some math.
heres the bottom line: any way one chooses to perceive it, the FD in good running condition and in its many shapes, forms, and configurations, is one of the most exhilarating, kick in the ***, fun cars to drive, not to mention its beautifully sculpted appearance.

cant wait to hear you say: touche' en gard! ...............

chuck
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Old Jan 21, 2005 | 01:40 AM
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Originally Posted by RXASSASIN7

what good is resources on here when they are incorrect? why am i the *** hole for disagreeing and fighting the conversation for truth?
Sorry, I should have known. You are right and the rest of the world has no clue WTF they are talking about. Please forgive me for flapping my lips about something I have no clue about.
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Old Jan 21, 2005 | 05:45 AM
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Originally Posted by weaklink
yeah the 4.10 or 4.33 would lower (in theory) your top speed. i think in reality top speeds are drag limited. you might enjoy this link (go about 5 posts down):

http://www.scuderiaciriani.com/rx7/differential.html
Thanks weaklink for that link, i've looked through scuderiaciriani before but never stumbled upon that. I know what my next mod is
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Old Jan 21, 2005 | 07:32 AM
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Originally Posted by RXASSASIN7
a) all rx7's have factory stall @ 2200rpm
b)if you dont know that you need to call Dacco and ask for the stall speed on a FM68 that is your torque converter code (fyi)
c)why don't you stop reading books and mags like a little ***** and work on them then you would know the converter code moron... newbie my *** ... wheres my money bitch ?????????
d)the stall has to do with how much fluid it takes to fill the converter and apply the impeller fans in order to boost the torque capacity of the transmission.
f)if you slam the gas to the floor you would not see full torque cap. until 3000rpm, which means as same as riding the clutch and dumping it at 3000rpms

god if im the newbie what the hell are you?



what good is resources on here when they are incorrect? why am i the *** hole for disagreeing and fighting the conversation for truth?
It's clear to me that you have no clue what you are talking about, and worse, you're being an inflammatory *******. I referenced those two books because ONE is the FACTORY manual and I think Mazda knows more about their torque converter than Wacko. TWO the Yamaguchi book was written WITH the engineers who developed the 3rd gen and so I think they also know more about the torque converter than anyone else. However, these may be mute points as I'm beginning to think that you CAN'T read. THREE I drove around with a 3500 stall converter for 8K miles, so I know what it's like. The whole purpose of a torque converter is to help get the car into it's powerband, which on the rx7 is considerably higher than 2200 rpm.
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Old Jan 21, 2005 | 07:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Ball joint
no no what I mean is would it effect your acceleration lets say from ohhh..... 120-160 or so. I dont really care about my top TOP speed its my acceleration at high speeds that I care about.
yes it would improve your acceleration at those speeds.
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Old Jan 21, 2005 | 02:34 PM
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Originally Posted by RXASSASIN7
a) all rx7's have factory stall @ 2200rpm
b)if you dont know that you need to call Dacco and ask for the stall speed on a FM68 that is your torque converter code (fyi)
c)why don't you stop reading books and mags like a little ***** and work on them then you would know the converter code moron... newbie my *** ... wheres my money bitch ?????????
d)the stall has to do with how much fluid it takes to fill the converter and apply the impeller fans in order to boost the torque capacity of the transmission.
f)if you slam the gas to the floor you would not see full torque cap. until 3000rpm, which means as same as riding the clutch and dumping it at 3000rpms

god if im the newbie what the hell are you?



what good is resources on here when they are incorrect? why am i the *** hole for disagreeing and fighting the conversation for truth?


first you said that it wont see ANY torque till stall speed, now you are saying this ****? make up your mind, are you totally completely wrong, or just wrong a little bit?

i can't believe you don't know what the Yamaguchi book is.
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Old Jan 21, 2005 | 02:51 PM
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This reminds me of that line from the movie Top Secret: "There are no good white basketball players, my friend."
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Old Jan 21, 2005 | 03:08 PM
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Originally Posted by JConn2299
Most drivers over-rate their shifting ability, especially under stress. Anyone ever missed a shift when doing a little stoplight race? Most of us have. A foot to the floor is hard to screw up.
Very True
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Old Jan 21, 2005 | 03:33 PM
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Originally Posted by RXASSASIN7
correct me if i am wrong but i am pretty sure that trans-brakes are "useable" on any automatic transmission.
You're wrong.

A transbrake is a modified valve body that allows simultaneously engaging 1st and reverse while the button is depressed so that the output shaft does not spin. This puts load on the engine so that you can build higher rpm/boost on the line without pulling against the brakes. When the button is released, reverse disengages immediately and the car launches extremely hard as power is suddenly applied to the output shaft. Transbrakes are not a universal device that works on any transmission like a line-lock for brakes.
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Old Jan 21, 2005 | 03:35 PM
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Originally Posted by RXASSASIN7
d)the stall has to do with how much fluid it takes to fill the converter and apply the impeller fans in order to boost the torque capacity of the transmission.
Sorry to break it to you, but there's fluid being pumped into the torque converter whenever the engine is running, which in turn drives the trans. oil pump.

First of all there's only one impeller, not 2 or more as you seem to think. The torque converter has an impeller, stator, and turbine. Furthermore "stall" is when both impeller and turbine are spinning at nearly the same rate (the impeller will always be spinning slightly faster than the turbine, hence the poor mileage charactistics of the average automatic transmission). IIRC, technically "stall" is a condition when the stator begins freewheeling and no longer applies torque multiplication to the turbine.
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Old Apr 10, 2005 | 02:35 PM
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Originally Posted by RXASSASIN7
you had a 3500 stall converter?" wtf im gunna call bs on that one unless you had like slicks and pretty much a drag car. if you where crazy on the street the highest go with is a 2000 stall. and how the f%^ can factory be 3000? that would mean the car wouldnt even moving until you hit 3000prms then that means every stock auto rx7 when you hit the gas to go even under normal situations you would break you f$%^$ neck!
This isn't a flame, but we need to clear up your ignorance. The stall speed is the highest RPM you can achieve without the car moving not the lowest speed at which the torque converter transfers power. Stall speed varies directly with the input torque. This is why you see higher engine RPM with heavy throttle than light throttle. My 1972 Dodge Van has a factory torque converter that is about 11.75" in diameter and stalls at about 1700 RPM behind a stock 318. Does that mean the van doesn't move until 1700 RPM? Not at all.
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Old Apr 10, 2005 | 10:55 PM
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a good thing about the auto for dragracing is brakeboosting
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Old Apr 12, 2005 | 05:22 AM
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Good point up above. FD is not a 1/4mile car. It was built for tracks and corners.
Use it what it was meant for
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Old Apr 12, 2005 | 03:27 PM
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FD is not a 1/4mile car.
Tell Ari Yallon that.

No car comes from the factory built specifically for quarter mile use, but they can all be run at the drag strip just the same. The FD included.
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Old Apr 12, 2005 | 03:32 PM
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they probally do, they just arnt on this forum
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