3rd Generation Specific (1993-2002) 1993-2002 Discussion including performance modifications and Technical Support Sections.
Sponsored by:

What part of the engine breaks when it overheats??

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Feb 1, 2002 | 11:17 PM
  #1  
Tad's Avatar
Tad
Thread Starter
Senior Member
Tenured Member 10 Years
 
Joined: May 2001
Posts: 316
Likes: 0
From: bay area CA USA
What part of the engine breaks when it overheats??

Hi,
well i've been learnin up on my rotary engine info,
and I think i've got a pretty good understanding of how it works now(thanks to howstuffworks.com hehe)

Anyways, my engine blew on my FD a while ago(had to sell
it alittle while after ), there was somethin funky goin on with the coolant system, and it overheated badly.

So I'm wondering, what exactly is it that happens to the engine
when it overheats that causes it to break, or rather what part of it breaks?

THANKS!
Reply
Old Feb 2, 2002 | 12:05 AM
  #2  
artguy's Avatar
WTB** Very Low Miles 94-95
Tenured Member 10 Years
 
Joined: Jul 2001
Posts: 3,298
Likes: 0
From: Tejas
there are coolant seals that have a tendency to cook rather easily...not to mention warped rotor housings etc...

j
Reply
Old Feb 2, 2002 | 12:55 AM
  #3  
luneytune's Avatar
Senior Member
Tenured Member 10 Years
 
Joined: May 2001
Posts: 269
Likes: 0
From: Campbell River, BC, Canada
Re: What part of the engine breaks when it overheats??

Originally posted by Tad

So I'm wondering, what exactly is it that happens to the engine
when it overheats that causes it to break, or rather what part of it breaks?

THANKS!
The owners wallet! And maybe his heart?
Reply
Old Feb 2, 2002 | 12:59 AM
  #4  
Tad's Avatar
Tad
Thread Starter
Senior Member
Tenured Member 10 Years
 
Joined: May 2001
Posts: 316
Likes: 0
From: bay area CA USA
OOhhh, coolant seals,
i get that... too bad though, seems like something
mazda coulda fixed pretty easily, although I guess they would
have had to diagnose that at least by 94
Reply
Old Feb 2, 2002 | 01:16 AM
  #5  
cash money's Avatar
Old School Member
Tenured Member 15 Years
 
Joined: Feb 2001
Posts: 640
Likes: 0
From: Vancouver, Wa, USA
insuffiecent radiators are also a factor that causes overheating

when it overheats, temps. get real high and in the metal starts to warp, such as the rotor housings... like art said
Reply
Old Feb 2, 2002 | 01:22 AM
  #6  
luneytune's Avatar
Senior Member
Tenured Member 10 Years
 
Joined: May 2001
Posts: 269
Likes: 0
From: Campbell River, BC, Canada
Fixed easily?!?

Originally posted by Tad
OOhhh, coolant seals,
i get that... too bad though, seems like something
mazda coulda fixed pretty easily, although I guess they would
have had to diagnose that at least by 94
Mazda has been in the Rotary game since the 50's and ended up teaching the Germans how to build a Wankel engine they couldn't build themselves including NSU and Mercedes. The big problem Apex seals and Coolant seals - Mazda tried graphite and sintered alumnium apex seals and ended up with good old cast iron alloy and beat the Apex problem. Then came coolant seals - very long, around the whole rotor travel area - subjected to flames on one side and hot coolant on the other but only about 5mm thick - this is a very hard engineering feat to overcome. The first Mazda Rotaries failed because of apex and coolant seals and dumb owners that new nothing of the expansion of aluminum and Iron in close vicinity (didn't warm them up properly) with the RX-4 and Cosmo the Apex seals were licked but the coolant seal could go on for another 10 years before materials can be incorporated that can stand up to abuse of overheating.

Key is don't overheat your Rotary Engine
Reply
Old Feb 2, 2002 | 03:54 AM
  #7  
Tad's Avatar
Tad
Thread Starter
Senior Member
Tenured Member 10 Years
 
Joined: May 2001
Posts: 316
Likes: 0
From: bay area CA USA
Aaaah,
it's all so much more clear now!
so I guess the coolant seals kind of run between the different
pieces of the engine?(like rotor housings and such).
I do think it's suprizing apex seals hold up as well as they do though!
they are such small, thin, pieces of metal to contain the entire combustion process

"insuffiecent radiators are also a factor that causes overheating"

grr, next time one of the best rotary mechanics around
tells me he highly recommends having my radiator replaced...
i'd better listen... DOH!

I guess I'm too used to driving stuff like my 88 hundai,
lord knows when(if ever) the oil/coolant was changed on that car

Last edited by Tad; Feb 2, 2002 at 03:56 AM.
Reply
Old Feb 2, 2002 | 09:02 AM
  #8  
Tim McCreary's Avatar
Senior Member
Tenured Member 15 Years
 
Joined: Mar 2001
Posts: 524
Likes: 2
From: Roaring Spring, PA USA
Something that people tend to forget is that the engine is made of dissimilar metals. If all the parts were made of aluminum or another similar metal, the metals expand with the same properties and rates of expansion. The chances of having a seal failure would reduce.

When Aluminum heads were just beginning to become standard, everyone was having head gasket failures and cracked heads around 75K miles. This was due to the fact that head gasket would not allow the head to "float" when expanding at a different rate than the block. New technology with the head gaskets now allow this to happen. But remember that the head does not actually mate to the surface of the block. Rotary engines rotor housings and side plates mount against each other with a little O-Ring sealing the chambers.

There has been gains in O-Ring technology and there are better than factory alternatives now.

Tim McCreary
Reply
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
LMBTG
New Member RX-7 Technical
7
Aug 15, 2015 01:43 PM
ncds_fc
New Member RX-7 Technical
1
Aug 15, 2015 10:06 AM
KAL797
Test Area 51
0
Aug 11, 2015 03:47 PM




All times are GMT -5. The time now is 02:02 PM.