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Old Jan 13, 2005 | 02:18 PM
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It represents the upper limit of performance with stock twins. Anything over 120 mph is impressive, but nowhere near impossible to attain.
I guess, that's a big deal....

Can't believe the bickering on this forum over some things though, especially resulting to profanity and middle-school name calling.
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Old Jan 13, 2005 | 02:18 PM
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Because he deserves it?

A lot of people don't drag race for various reasons, including not wanting to embarrass themselves by bringing home a 13.xx (or worse) time slip with a fully modified car. For example, my friend above trapped 117.4 mph... on a 13.6x pass. He never wanted to drag race again.

Drag racing is not as easy as many people seem to think it is.
well he does deserve it..but what i was getting at is that it was an pretty good feat and worthy of being noticed.
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Old Jan 13, 2005 | 02:20 PM
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It represents the upper limit of performance with stock twins. Anything over 120 mph is impressive, but nowhere near impossible to attain.
from what i understand boostn7 has hours and hours of data logging in, tons iof runs, and modified stock twins to get his times.
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Old Jan 13, 2005 | 02:21 PM
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It represents the upper limit of performance with stock twins. Anything over 120 mph is impressive, but nowhere near impossible to attain.
from what i understand boostn7 has hours and hours of data logging in, tons iof runs, and modified stock twins to get his times. point is it isnt your run of the mill bolton rx7.
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Old Jan 13, 2005 | 02:21 PM
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i dont take my rx7 to the track....but i do run on the street....and recently beat a newer 996 turbo cabriolet from a dig 3 times in a row.....(good driver).....which usually trap in the 115-117mph range.......i am full bolt on and 1bar on stock twins....full weight(minus spare)
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Old Jan 13, 2005 | 02:28 PM
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I drag once in a blue moon, for two reasons... To me Straight is only fun once, turns can be taken a multitude of different ways. & It's hard on the car / Diff, Tranny, Clutch etc...
I do it once I have a bunch of mods that make me warrent going again to see if things improved....

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Old Jan 13, 2005 | 02:34 PM
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I did 118.5 on the stock twins and a cat. I ought to be able to get to 120 if I don't break something major.
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Old Jan 13, 2005 | 02:34 PM
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Originally Posted by PhoenixDownVII
I guess, that's a big deal....

Can't believe the bickering on this forum over some things though, especially resulting to profanity and middle-school name calling.
The door is open, you can leave whenever you want.
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Old Jan 13, 2005 | 02:35 PM
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Originally Posted by jimlab
Because he deserves it?

A lot of people don't drag race for various reasons, including not wanting to embarrass themselves by bringing home a 13.xx (or worse) time slip with a fully modified car. For example, my friend above trapped 117.4 mph... on a 13.6x pass. He never wanted to drag race again.

Drag racing is not as easy as many people seem to think it is.
no its not.... but it also shouldnt be the standard by which a "good driver" is compared against a "bad" one. i know plenty of people with modded cars that dont run as fast as ppl say the car is capable of. yet, they take it to a track and tear the track up (in a good way of course) they know the techniques of balance, control, etc... plus have sheer talent. i myself being one of them (though i have yet to "prove myself" on a drag strip).... not saying that im a driving god... but id certainly consider myself a cut above the "average" driver out there with a "fast" car....
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Old Jan 13, 2005 | 02:40 PM
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Originally Posted by matty
from what i understand boostn7 has hours and hours of data logging in, tons iof runs, and modified stock twins to get his times.
Key word: times. Not trap speed.

I'm sure he's got a fistfull of 120+ mph slips, but it takes time and practice to reduce your E.T. with any given configuration.
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Old Jan 13, 2005 | 02:43 PM
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no its not.... but it also shouldnt be the standard by which a "good driver" is compared against a "bad" one.
So you're saying that it isn't a valid comparison of one drag racer to another, or are you prefacing an eventual appearance at a drag strip with the excuse that you're really a good driver in other venues?
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Old Jan 13, 2005 | 03:02 PM
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Originally Posted by matty
right do the math then 356 rwhp and 2750 car..this is where the original debated stemmed from.

my car stock twin stock motor made 340 rwhp (also made 298 tq =high number)..that is definately avg. i trap 116mp every time at sea level at etown. now u are gonna tell me that this guys is gonna trap 4 more mph from 16 rwhp.
Wrong for the 3rd time.
1) You said stock twins don't trap 120 mph plus.
* You were 100% WRONG.

2) Yellow R-1's car doesn't weigh 2750 his car weighed 2620. His car weighed 160 lbs LESS than the car that trapped 120 mph. He made 356 RWHP on a heat soaked dyno with a SLIPPING clutch and ONLY 14 PSI. It is EASILY a 380 rwhp car.
Secondly, if it only made 356 rwhp he has a better power to weight ratio than the car that trapped 120 mph with 362 rwhp.
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Old Jan 13, 2005 | 03:04 PM
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Originally Posted by tcb100
I did 118.5 on the stock twins and a cat. I ought to be able to get to 120 if I don't break something major.
With a cat? Impressive Tom!
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Old Jan 13, 2005 | 03:12 PM
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Originally Posted by jimlab
Key word: times. Not trap speed.

I'm sure he's got a fistfull of 120+ mph slips, but it takes time and practice to reduce your E.T. with any given configuration.
right i completely understand with what u are saying...but his traps were impressive too.
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Originally Posted by DCrosby
I drag once in a blue moon, for two reasons... To me Straight is only fun once, turns can be taken a multitude of different ways. & It's hard on the car / Diff, Tranny, Clutch etc...
I do it once I have a bunch of mods that make me warrent going again to see if things improved....

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The outcome, was on K&N Filter and RB Inlet & 11 PSI of Boost
I think SPO Auto trapped 113 with intake, full exhaust, and PFC everything else stock.
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Old Jan 13, 2005 | 03:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Mr rx-7 tt
Wrong for the 3rd time.
1) You said stock twins don't trap 120 mph plus.
* You were 100% WRONG.

2) Yellow R-1's car doesn't weigh 2750 his car weighed 2620. His car weighed 160 lbs LESS than the car that trapped 120 mph. He made 356 RWHP on a heat soaked dyno with a SLIPPING clutch and ONLY 14 PSI. It is EASILY a 380 rwhp car.
Secondly, if it only made 356 rwhp he has a better power to weight ratio than the car that trapped 120 mph with 362 rwhp.
alright damn it....i will bet you money that he doesnt trap greater then 120 mph? do u except paypal?hehhe
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Old Jan 13, 2005 | 03:49 PM
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Trap speed

In March of 2001 I trapped 122 mph at 18-19 pounds of boost with stock twins/stock port/m2 medium/ rp fuel pump/ crane hi 6/ PFC and m2 intake. Injectors were....550/850 (for nine months) and then I switched to 550/1300's running at 100%. With the 550/850 combo I was on the ragged edge of detonation, however the engine lasted over 3 years. I ran that way for a few years and all was well.

I set up my buddies car with a similar homemade map. He has almost the same combo but a ported engine. Recently he hit 123 mph @ 15.5 pounds of boost.

We hope to run it at the track soon after we get the T2 LSD in it and some chrome axles. We'll probably need a different clutch too because once it hooks with that kind of power the centerforce probably wont hold.

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Old Jan 13, 2005 | 03:53 PM
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bottom line is that 120mph is attainable on stock twins but I've been embarrased when I'm at the track with other FDs in most cases. I usually see 14-16sec times and 13s are great! Heavily modified twin RX-7s here in town can't even hit 12s. I got 12.8@112mph on 12psi with the pettit ecu over and over once I put on the midpipe I never got out of the 12s again and this was with 2.2 60 times. I can imagine that my trap would be upper teens with a pfc and tuning along with 15psi. However, only with ~380rwhp with a single have I been able to make it into the 120s. I usually get 120-121 and my best is 122. I guess you could say that the turbo takes longer to spool up so that's why my trap is lower than a stock twin cars trap would be with the same hp? As far as I know these high traps on twins are done on **** non seq so that cant be the case because they get full boost after large singles do and coming out of the hole with a 1.8 60 time Id say the spool is there and im making more power at every rpm above 3000 any way than twins. You guys are talking about top of the notch setups with the twins to do that its proabably 10 ever that we are talking about out of how many who mod their twin cars and have been to the track!?? hundreds would be an understatement. I plan on trapping near 130 add or take a couple next time the track opens but it's certainly with a very worked car. I'd be very impressed and a bit jealous to have someone next to me with a bunch less money in thier car trapping 5mph less. It would be a good thing though to raise the bar and have someone to go against because I feel this is lacking with the FDs today and that they are on the way out because of the owners
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Old Jan 13, 2005 | 05:31 PM
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You're including modified stock twins? Well then I hit 125mph on non-seq worked stock turbos. I thought you meant stock turbos. The other guy who ran a ten did it on actual stock turbos I believe.

Surge, Nonsequential stock turbos with the same open exhaust will spool faster than a large single turbo, less rotating mass relative to distance from the shaft.

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Old Jan 13, 2005 | 06:35 PM
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So you're saying that it isn't a valid comparison of one drag racer to another, or are you prefacing an eventual appearance at a drag strip with the excuse that you're really a good driver in other venues?
not a valid comparison of one racer to another.... drag or otherwise....

and not saying i'll make an awesome run, not saying i wont, just saying that just because someone doesnt crack 13.1 in a car thats supposed to make a 13.1, yet finishes in, say, the top 5 at a track or autocross event, doesnt mean he sucks at driving or racing... but i guess there are alot of other variables as well
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Originally Posted by Jodeny
In March of 2001 I trapped 122 mph at 18-19 pounds of boost with stock twins/stock port/m2 medium/ rp fuel pump/ crane hi 6/ PFC and m2 intake. Injectors were....550/850 (for nine months) and then I switched to 550/1300's running at 100%. With the 550/850 combo I was on the ragged edge of detonation, however the engine lasted over 3 years. I ran that way for a few years and all was well.

I set up my buddies car with a similar homemade map. He has almost the same combo but a ported engine. Recently he hit 123 mph @ 15.5 pounds of boost.

We hope to run it at the track soon after we get the T2 LSD in it and some chrome axles. We'll probably need a different clutch too because once it hooks with that kind of power the centerforce probably wont hold.

John
You mean chromoly axles right . Before you order, shoot me a PM. I may be able to help ya out.

Also, what track are you guys getting all these kick-*** trap speeds at? Etown? Next time I would love to tag along. Best on my stock twins I could manage was ~114, this at a track with an uneven surface and right next to a river in Podunk TX......
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Old Jan 13, 2005 | 07:33 PM
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I'd like to see some slips of these amazing feats... and when you say stock... you mean just the turbos... not the ecu fuel rail etc... cause mine was stock stock... fuel, turbo etc... other than the listed changes.... which is again no big feat, but it's not exactly "Bad Driving" either....
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Old Jan 13, 2005 | 08:08 PM
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Yes, people are talking about cars with lots of other things done to the car, just retaining the stock turbo manifolds basically.

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Old Jan 13, 2005 | 08:29 PM
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not a valid comparison of one racer to another.... drag or otherwise....
Bullshit. You "run what you brung" at the dragstrip, and if you get your *** beat, it's either because you don't have enough car or you don't have enough skill.

just saying that just because someone doesnt crack 13.1 in a car thats supposed to make a 13.1, yet finishes in, say, the top 5 at a track or autocross event, doesnt mean he sucks at driving or racing...
Smells like excuses in here...
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Old Jan 13, 2005 | 08:38 PM
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Originally Posted by GoodfellaFD3S
You mean chromoly axles right . Before you order, shoot me a PM. I may be able to help ya out.
Maybe he's looking for chromemoly axles.

If you don't want to spend $840 for Rotary Performance's 300M axles, try The Driveshaft Shop. They have 300M axles for the FC & FD for only $550.

Also, what track are you guys getting all these kick-*** trap speeds at?
Seattle International Raceway.
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