VMIC vs SMIC Challenge
09-22-05, 09:11 PM
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VMIC vs SMIC Challenge
Since Kevin T. Wyum (ASP/M2 IC maker) constantly posts false claims on VMIC and false statements regarding me and my company, we are going to do a VMIC vs SMIC chanllenge to show which one is the best and end it once for all.
First we will start with local customers (Bay Area, California) or you can drop off your car at the shop and have it here for at least a week.
If your car has a M2/ASP large with Koyo radiator, stock hood, stock bumper, and Power FC for data logging purpose, I will sell you the regular Vmount which has a smaller IC core than the M2/ASP large for $2150 installed. If you don't see any intake temp improvement or heat soak improvement over your ASP/M2 large and having equal water temp reading, I will give you full refund of $2150 and plus $500 cash in your pocket! Or I can convert your M2/ASP large and Koyo radiator into a Vmount setup for $1500 installed. If after conversion you don't see any improvement, full $1500 refund and I will convert it back to stock mount + $500 cash in your pocket for wasting your time.
My guarantee:
1. Your intake temp will be lower than ASP/M2 large under cruising or racing condition.
2. It takes longer for the IC to be heat soaked and your whole engine bay will be cooler than before.
3. Water temp will be equal as before or sometimes cooler.
If any of the above is not true, full refund + $500 cash!
Note we are not going to put on the Monster Vmount which has a larger core size than the ASP/M2 large. We are using a smaller IC core so if we beat the ASP/M2 large, no one will have anything to say. Starting out with disadvantage and beats the competitor is what I like to do.
If you are interested, either email me at rotaryextreme@aol.com or call the shop at 510-683-8850. You can also post in this thread. If you are local, drop by the shop at 42612 Christy St. Fremont, CA, 94538 and we can consult you in person.
After this is done, we will work with other shops throughout the US to really get the Vmounts out there. And we will do a monster VMIC vs FMIC challenge as well.
Chuck
First we will start with local customers (Bay Area, California) or you can drop off your car at the shop and have it here for at least a week.
If your car has a M2/ASP large with Koyo radiator, stock hood, stock bumper, and Power FC for data logging purpose, I will sell you the regular Vmount which has a smaller IC core than the M2/ASP large for $2150 installed. If you don't see any intake temp improvement or heat soak improvement over your ASP/M2 large and having equal water temp reading, I will give you full refund of $2150 and plus $500 cash in your pocket! Or I can convert your M2/ASP large and Koyo radiator into a Vmount setup for $1500 installed. If after conversion you don't see any improvement, full $1500 refund and I will convert it back to stock mount + $500 cash in your pocket for wasting your time.
My guarantee:
1. Your intake temp will be lower than ASP/M2 large under cruising or racing condition.
2. It takes longer for the IC to be heat soaked and your whole engine bay will be cooler than before.
3. Water temp will be equal as before or sometimes cooler.
If any of the above is not true, full refund + $500 cash!
Note we are not going to put on the Monster Vmount which has a larger core size than the ASP/M2 large. We are using a smaller IC core so if we beat the ASP/M2 large, no one will have anything to say. Starting out with disadvantage and beats the competitor is what I like to do.
If you are interested, either email me at rotaryextreme@aol.com or call the shop at 510-683-8850. You can also post in this thread. If you are local, drop by the shop at 42612 Christy St. Fremont, CA, 94538 and we can consult you in person.
After this is done, we will work with other shops throughout the US to really get the Vmounts out there. And we will do a monster VMIC vs FMIC challenge as well.
Chuck
09-22-05, 10:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Touge Monster
I have to give rotary extreme major props for putting their name/money/reputation on the line like this. I wish more shops had the ***** to do stuff like this 
09-22-05, 10:47 PM
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hahahahahahaha..... i was waiting for responses like that!!!
i think Chuck is great at what he does (btw, i got my sideskirts and they look grreat!!! thanks!!!) and if i had the money, i would no doubt get a v-mount from Chuck... and i really never liked the design of the SMIC. if you have no vented hood then your not doing much to improve because what you are doing is placing a huge peice of metal on top of the hot radiator. and when you stop what happens??? HEATSOAK!! i have a fmic and it doesnt heat soak at all and water temps are great too... but if you dont have good ducting, then it wont help you much at all.....
-Roman
i think Chuck is great at what he does (btw, i got my sideskirts and they look grreat!!! thanks!!!) and if i had the money, i would no doubt get a v-mount from Chuck... and i really never liked the design of the SMIC. if you have no vented hood then your not doing much to improve because what you are doing is placing a huge peice of metal on top of the hot radiator. and when you stop what happens??? HEATSOAK!! i have a fmic and it doesnt heat soak at all and water temps are great too... but if you dont have good ducting, then it wont help you much at all.....
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09-22-05, 11:05 PM
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How did you come up with $700 more? That clearly shows either your having no idea what vmount is consisted of or your lack of math skill. How can you do physics when you cannot even do simple math? I thought you are the physics master.
Let me lay it out for you since you have no idea.
AST large: $1500
Koyo Raditaotr: $350
total: $1850
My regular vmount comes with an IC AND a modified Koyo radiator for a total of $1750. YES, $100 Cheaper!! Labor is not for free. $400 to install an IC and radiator is not outrageous.
How much will you charge to put on a ASP large and a radiator? $400 is too much? Our living standard here is not cheap, ok?
And now you think it's going to cool better? I thought you said VMIC just does not work!. The coolant temp will drop too but if the water temp is at 85C with the SMIC, it's not going to drop much more. Water thermostat is controlling the water temp. Under racing condition, it's a different story. You will see lower water temp because it's a dual pass radiator and less restriction at the exit of the radiator.
Chuck
Let me lay it out for you since you have no idea.
AST large: $1500
Koyo Raditaotr: $350
total: $1850
My regular vmount comes with an IC AND a modified Koyo radiator for a total of $1750. YES, $100 Cheaper!! Labor is not for free. $400 to install an IC and radiator is not outrageous.
How much will you charge to put on a ASP large and a radiator? $400 is too much? Our living standard here is not cheap, ok?
And now you think it's going to cool better? I thought you said VMIC just does not work!. The coolant temp will drop too but if the water temp is at 85C with the SMIC, it's not going to drop much more. Water thermostat is controlling the water temp. Under racing condition, it's a different story. You will see lower water temp because it's a dual pass radiator and less restriction at the exit of the radiator.
Chuck
Originally Posted by Kevin T. Wyum
So for an extra $700 you'll get a few degree improvement in charge temp and no coolant temp improvement?
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09-22-05, 11:08 PM
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You should chill the **** out. My vmount looks nothing like Knight Sports. Are you saying any company coming out with Vmount just copying Knight Sports? How about RE Amemiya, R Magic, Panspeed, Dream Works, HKS, etc. They all came out their vmounts later than I did.
So I guess RE Amemiya, Knight Sports, and all the other companies coming out with a SMIC copied Mazda on the SMIC too.
Chuck
So I guess RE Amemiya, Knight Sports, and all the other companies coming out with a SMIC copied Mazda on the SMIC too.
Chuck
Originally Posted by neofreak
Sure, if it were his design and not just a Knightsports knockoff, lots of props.
09-22-05, 11:18 PM
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You are getting a great deal and with money back gurantee + $500 cash. Want it for free?
When you sent out those intake mods, did you give the first few people for free?
I don't need to prove a point. I already have a lot of people converting from SMIC to VMIC and from FMIC to VMIC. The point is Kevin is pissing me off and he keeps saying I am just making up those claims. Since his opinion is so important to me, this is what I am going to do.
Not interested? It's ok. You need to have a M2 large and big radiator to join anyway.
Chuck
When you sent out those intake mods, did you give the first few people for free?
I don't need to prove a point. I already have a lot of people converting from SMIC to VMIC and from FMIC to VMIC. The point is Kevin is pissing me off and he keeps saying I am just making up those claims. Since his opinion is so important to me, this is what I am going to do.
Not interested? It's ok. You need to have a M2 large and big radiator to join anyway.
Chuck
Originally Posted by adam c
Wow, for only $2150, I can get a v-mount to try and prove someone elses point. Should be free if it is that important to you.
09-22-05, 11:28 PM
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I guess you are representing the whole Bay Area community. Yeah, I have no local customer. 
I am unprofessional? When I slap you, will you slap me back? You are not even a customer so why the hell do I care? Just because you own a RX-7, I should be your slave? Are you kidding me?
Chuck
Yeah, I have no local customer. I am unprofessional? When I slap you, will you slap me back? You are not even a customer so why the hell do I care? Just because you own a RX-7, I should be your slave? Are you kidding me?
Chuck
Originally Posted by neofreak
Chill the **** out? That's awfully professional. No wonder the locals don't like you.
09-22-05, 11:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Touge Monster
I have to give rotary extreme major props for putting their name/money/reputation on the line like this. I wish more shops had the ***** to do stuff like this
i agree!!
09-22-05, 11:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Touge Monster
I have to give rotary extreme major props for putting their name/money/reputation on the line like this. I wish more shops had the ***** to do stuff like this
09-22-05, 11:40 PM
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When you sent out those intake mods, did you give the first few people for free?
Originally Posted by rotaryextreme
You are getting a great deal and with money back gurantee + $500 cash. Want it for free?
I don't need to prove a point. I already have a lot of people converting from SMIC to VMIC and from FMIC to VMIC. The point is Kevin is pissing me off and he keeps saying I am just making up those claims. Since his opinion is so important to me, this is what I am going to do.
Not interested? It's ok. You need to have a M2 large and big radiator to join anyway.
Chuck
I don't need to prove a point. I already have a lot of people converting from SMIC to VMIC and from FMIC to VMIC. The point is Kevin is pissing me off and he keeps saying I am just making up those claims. Since his opinion is so important to me, this is what I am going to do.
Not interested? It's ok. You need to have a M2 large and big radiator to join anyway.
Chuck
If you want to gain some respect (which it appears that you need), install it for free on an unbiased third party car, and get the results. If they like it, sell them the parts at cost, with no labor charges. You will have proven your point (which seems to be the point of this thread) and gained goodwill at the same time
09-22-05, 11:50 PM
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Originally Posted by rotaryextreme
After this is done, we will work with other shops throughout the US to really get the Vmounts out there. And we will do a monster VMIC vs FMIC challenge as well.
Anxiously awaiting both!
Its about time we see some data on the matter instead of just bickering!
09-22-05, 11:53 PM
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Yes!!
How much does it cost to make the shield? How can you compare an IC/Radiator set up with a piece of sheetmetal? It will not be a fair comparsion, don't you think?
You seem to be quite pissed off about whatever conflict you are having with Kevin. Now you have brought it here, and are making an *** of yourself. In addition, it looks like you are looking to make a profit while trying to prove your point. That makes you look really bad
Because Kevin seems to be following me around and like a monkey on my back. I just want to get rid of him once and for all. As for profit? I do not do charity work on business but I do give money to charity on the side. I am doing a GB right now on Vmounts. For those who want to join, they are actually getting a better deal without going through the vmount group buy and getting the vmounts at the cheapest price possible and cheaper labor. There are two sides to a sword. It depends on how you look at it. There are people here thinking I am doing a good thing, yeah?
If you want to gain some respect (which it appears that you need), install it for free on an unbiased third party car, and get the results. If they like it, sell them the parts at cost, with no labor charges. You will have proven your point (which seems to be the point of this thread) and gained goodwill at the same time
I am not looking to gain any respect throughout this. I am doing this to prove Kevin wrong about everything he said. As simple as that. So he can stop bringing out the same old bald statements every time there is a VMIC thread. If you have a lot of free time, go to any VMIC and you bet you will see him and see how he bashed my company. I am simply tired of his bull ****.
And put yourself in my shoes. If I don't even know you and I constantly follow you around when you tried to sell your intake shields and say it's a piece of crap but I have never tried it, wouldn't you do the same? His BS has been going on ever since 8 years ago. I have taken it for too long. Even a nice guy needs some venting once a while.
How much does it cost to make the shield? How can you compare an IC/Radiator set up with a piece of sheetmetal? It will not be a fair comparsion, don't you think?
You seem to be quite pissed off about whatever conflict you are having with Kevin. Now you have brought it here, and are making an *** of yourself. In addition, it looks like you are looking to make a profit while trying to prove your point. That makes you look really bad
Because Kevin seems to be following me around and like a monkey on my back. I just want to get rid of him once and for all. As for profit? I do not do charity work on business but I do give money to charity on the side.
I am doing a GB right now on Vmounts. For those who want to join, they are actually getting a better deal without going through the vmount group buy and getting the vmounts at the cheapest price possible and cheaper labor. There are two sides to a sword. It depends on how you look at it. There are people here thinking I am doing a good thing, yeah? If you want to gain some respect (which it appears that you need), install it for free on an unbiased third party car, and get the results. If they like it, sell them the parts at cost, with no labor charges. You will have proven your point (which seems to be the point of this thread) and gained goodwill at the same time
I am not looking to gain any respect throughout this. I am doing this to prove Kevin wrong about everything he said. As simple as that. So he can stop bringing out the same old bald statements every time there is a VMIC thread. If you have a lot of free time, go to any VMIC and you bet you will see him and see how he bashed my company. I am simply tired of his bull ****.
And put yourself in my shoes. If I don't even know you and I constantly follow you around when you tried to sell your intake shields and say it's a piece of crap but I have never tried it, wouldn't you do the same? His BS has been going on ever since 8 years ago. I have taken it for too long. Even a nice guy needs some venting once a while.
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09-23-05, 12:06 AM
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I already had data on FMIC vs VMIC and SMIC vs VMIC. But some people are just hard to please and need a hard lesson to learn.
I might even fly some of you down here and do a vmount shoot out at the shop.
Like I said, everyone is welcome, including Kevin. He needs to see it with his own eyes or he will be saying I am making false claims again.
Chuck
I might even fly some of you down here and do a vmount shoot out at the shop.
Like I said, everyone is welcome, including Kevin. He needs to see it with his own eyes or he will be saying I am making false claims again.
Chuck
Originally Posted by rotarypower101
Anxiously awaiting both!
Its about time we see some data on the matter instead of just bickering!
Its about time we see some data on the matter instead of just bickering!
09-23-05, 12:09 AM
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I must say Chuck does good business. I sent some money to him from Australia (one off delivery,non-traceable) to get the 99 spec bumper and he kept his words...it came here on time with a bit of suprise too! (Thanks Chuck for giving me the LED version )two thumbs *edit* UP for him.
)two thumbs *edit* UP for him.
09-23-05, 12:11 AM
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Originally Posted by rotaryextreme
You should chill the **** out. My vmount looks nothing like Knight Sports.
Chuck
Chuck
I'll be more than happy to show detailed pictures of both, and let others make their judgement. I'm 99% sure they'll agree.
Whatever problems you have with Kevin, I'd suggest keeping it between you and him, and knock this off. The only thing your accomplishing here is being an *******. Period. I think you'll find most people here in agreeance.
-Alex
09-23-05, 12:12 AM
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Originally Posted by rotaryextreme
If your car has a M2/ASP large with Koyo radiator, stock hood, stock bumper, and Power FC for data logging purpose...
Or I can convert your M2/ASP large and Koyo radiator into a Vmount setup for $1500 installed. If after conversion you don't see any improvement, full $1500 refund and I will convert it back to stock mount + $500 cash in your pocket for wasting your time.
Chuck
M2/ASP Large
Koyo (w/ Evans)
Stock Hood
Stock Bumper
PFC, Datalogit & WBO2
Sent you a PM!!!!
John
09-23-05, 12:20 AM
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I did not buy a Knight Sports VMIC and then copied it. It's a vmount, of course it's going to look simliar. Are the bends the same? Are the dimensions the same? Mounting brackets the same? I can guranteed you everything looks diffrerent because I made it from scratch.
Why should I knock this off? He is the one that keeps climbing onto my back. I figure this is the only way I can shut him off so I don't have to hear his BS comments anymore.
If you know people who have dealt with me, they should tell you I am a nice guy and I always look out for the customers. If I am this pissed, you can imagine why. I have my reasons and there is no stopping me. Even if the mods closed this thread, I am going to put this on my website.
Chuck
Why should I knock this off? He is the one that keeps climbing onto my back. I figure this is the only way I can shut him off so I don't have to hear his BS comments anymore.
If you know people who have dealt with me, they should tell you I am a nice guy and I always look out for the customers. If I am this pissed, you can imagine why. I have my reasons and there is no stopping me. Even if the mods closed this thread, I am going to put this on my website.
Chuck
Originally Posted by TT_Rex_7
Actually Chuck, your's is pretty much the same. Only diffrence is the intercooler and radiator brands.
I'll be more than happy to show detailed pictures of both, and let others make their judgement. I'm 99% sure they'll agree.
Whatever problems you have with Kevin, I'd suggest keeping it between you and him, and knock this off. The only thing your accomplishing here is being an *******. Period. I think you'll find most people here in agreeance.
-Alex
I'll be more than happy to show detailed pictures of both, and let others make their judgement. I'm 99% sure they'll agree.
Whatever problems you have with Kevin, I'd suggest keeping it between you and him, and knock this off. The only thing your accomplishing here is being an *******. Period. I think you'll find most people here in agreeance.
-Alex
09-23-05, 12:20 AM
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Originally Posted by TT_Rex_7
Whatever problems you have with Kevin, I'd suggest keeping it between you and him, and knock this off. The only thing your accomplishing here is being an *******. Period. I think you'll find most people here in agreeance.
-Alex
If you've met Chuck or done business with him before, then you're really quickly that Chuck is a friendly guy and always looks out for his customers. He'll go out of his way a little to help each individual. So don't start calling names if you have lack of experience with him.
As for knock-offs, I really don't know. But you see that everywhere. God knows how many catbacks are like the Apexi N1. Nearly all of them are the same. Maybe tilted a little more than the other. Hnager welded slightly different than the other? Who gives a ****. You still end up buying it anyways because its your money.