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Old Dec 18, 2020 | 08:34 PM
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Upper ball joints (New Arms??)

As the title reads, my ball joint went bad on the front right side. Im looking for a replacement part but I cant find anything. Do I need to replace the entire arm? If so, should replace that arm alone or do a set?? Also, Im looking to stay as close to OEM as possible. Im looking at DOORMAN as the only brand that sells OEM style arms.

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Do I need to replace bottom as well???
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Old Dec 18, 2020 | 08:38 PM
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its just the boot..... replace the boot
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Old Dec 18, 2020 | 08:42 PM
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The car makes a clunk noise when turning far right/left and my alignment is off (throwing me left).
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Old Dec 18, 2020 | 08:50 PM
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if the ball joint failed, it wouldnt be attached to the arm anymore. remove the arm from the knuckle and move the joint by hand and verify. your alignment issues lies somewhere else. bad upper and lower ball joints wont cause the car to pull to any direction................. it will thrust it into the direction of least resistance only to be stopped by an object with more mass

the boots have to be replaced to pass jci anyway
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Old Dec 19, 2020 | 08:17 AM
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...and dont buy doorman, please!! These are performance cars. You cannot beat OE. Look at how well Mazda OE holds up, anyway.
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Old Dec 21, 2020 | 06:44 PM
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Originally Posted by cr-rex
if the ball joint failed, it wouldnt be attached to the arm anymore. remove the arm from the knuckle and move the joint by hand and verify. your alignment issues lies somewhere else. bad upper and lower ball joints wont cause the car to pull to any direction................. it will thrust it into the direction of least resistance only to be stopped by an object with more mass
Meh, I think it would depend on if it completely failed or is in the process of failing. A ball joint where the socket has play in/out may cause some funky stuff to happen.
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Old Dec 21, 2020 | 06:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Goblin413
As the title reads, my ball joint went bad on the front right side. Im looking for a replacement part but I cant find anything. Do I need to replace the entire arm? If so, should replace that arm alone or do a set?? Also, Im looking to stay as close to OEM as possible. Im looking at DOORMAN as the only brand that sells OEM style arms.

Front right upper.

Do I need to replace bottom as well???
As you noticed the ball joint is integrated into the upper and lower control arms. I don't think there is an easy DIY way to replace them. Replacing the arm is the standard approach that I'm aware of. That's what I did.

There was a thread recently on Dorman control arms. Might want to search for it. I don't remember if they were found to be good but it sounds like it could be an option.

All that said, the pic just shows that the boot is torn. you might be lucky and it's just the boot. however, the clunk on turning that you mentioned can point to a bad ball joint.
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Old Dec 22, 2020 | 12:15 PM
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Suspension is one of those things you don't want to cheap-out on. Brakes, steering, etc. are things you really dont want to be failing at speed.
Awhile back, i bought a used axle from the classifieds. I didn't know it was an aftermarket replacement, and it failed when my shop was testing / tuning. I replaced that with a Mazda OE used axle.
My point is that you never know what lack of engineering went into material selection, for example. Plenty of reason for me to only go with OE on something as crucial as suspension components.
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Old Dec 22, 2020 | 05:26 PM
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Originally Posted by quichedem
Awhile back, i bought a used axle from the classifieds. I didn't know it was an aftermarket replacement, and it failed when my shop was testing / tuning. I replaced that with a Mazda OE used axle.
My point is that you never know what lack of engineering went into material selection, for example. Plenty of reason for me to only go with OE on something as crucial as suspension components.
I generally prefer OEM parts but not all non-OEM parts are ****. Plus, with these cars being 25+ years old, we don't really have access to some OEM parts...

The USED axle you bought could have failed because it was already worn out by the seller - not solely because it was aftermarket. That doesn't mean all NEW aftermarket axles or <insert whatever part here> are going to fail.

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Old Dec 22, 2020 | 09:56 PM
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I think you can still get new OEM ones from Japan. I ordered mine from amayama.com a couple years back. Not cheap tho...

https://www.amayama.com/en/part/mazda/f13134200
https://www.amayama.com/en/part/mazda/f13134250

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Old Dec 22, 2020 | 11:17 PM
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Something is definitely messed up, the upper arm shouldn't rest on the shock body. Echo the opinion to buy good used or new OEM.
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Old Dec 23, 2020 | 11:28 AM
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Something is definitely messed up, the upper arm shouldn't rest on the shock body. Echo the opinion to buy good used or new OEM.
Agree that it shouldn't be resting against the shock body. However, it looks like the car is jacked up and the suspension in full droop so that might explain it. Especially if the diameter of the shock is larger than stock.
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Old Dec 23, 2020 | 11:39 AM
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Originally Posted by hadokenny
I think you can still get new OEM ones from Japan. I ordered mine from amayama.com a couple years back. Not cheap tho...

https://www.amayama.com/en/part/mazda/f13134200
https://www.amayama.com/en/part/mazda/f13134250
WOw, those prices are expensive... Mazdatrix sells them for ~350. I'm sure you can get them for less from Ray Crowe.
https://www.mazdatrix.com/vehicle-ye...t=control-arms
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Old Dec 23, 2020 | 11:43 AM
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Originally Posted by gracer7-rx7
I generally prefer OEM parts but not all non-OEM parts are ****. Plus, with these cars being 25+ years old, we don't really have access to some OEM parts...

The USED axle you bought could have failed because it was already worn out by the seller - not solely because it was aftermarket. That doesn't mean all NEW aftermarket axles or <insert whatever part here> are going to fail.
We'll have to agree to disagree, here. While OE used parts can fail, I would state that they fail with much less frequency than aftermarket used parts. Front UCA and LCAs are readily available from Ray, at the best prices you'll see online, so theres really no reason to purchase aftermarket at this time. Personally, I would purchase aftermarket performance arms before parts store stuff. I wouldnt trust the materials or manufacturing process of an aftermarket forged unit. Everyone else can do what they want, but I'm all about limiting variables.

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Old Dec 23, 2020 | 02:20 PM
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Ray's prices are 300 and 320
Still the best prices around
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Old Dec 24, 2020 | 09:29 PM
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The car was jacked up. And these are after market coilovers as well.
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