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Old 01-04-13, 10:44 AM
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This morning I legitimately registered my FD as a HISTORIC vehicle in the state of Maryland.

Could this be the first?




FWIW the build date on my car is April 1992 and MD law states any car 20 years or older may be registered as a historic vehicle. There are fairly restrictive driveability limitations and a mileage limitation (that I won't even come close to hitting) but it also means it is also now exempt from biannial emissions tailpipe testing testing.

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Old 01-04-13, 10:50 AM
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Thats good.


In NY any car 1995 (pre-OBDII) or older is exempt from emissions testing.


What is the mileage limit?
Old 01-04-13, 11:10 AM
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You may be the first... It's actually pretty cool Congrats!
Old 01-04-13, 11:14 AM
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an FD that's SMOG exempt! WOW!

Congrats! Time to move to MD.
Old 01-04-13, 11:23 AM
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Just checked out CA DMV:

Vehicles of Historic Value
5004. (a) Notwithstanding any other provision of this code, any owner of a vehicle described in paragraph (1), (2), or (3) which is operated or moved over the highway primarily for the purpose of historical exhibition or other similar purpose shall, upon application in the manner and at the time prescribed by the department, be issued special identification plates for the vehicle:
(1) A motor vehicle with an engine of 16 or more cylinders manufactured prior to 1965.

(2) A motor vehicle manufactured in the year 1922 or prior thereto.

(3) A vehicle which was manufactured after 1922, is at least 25 years old, and is of historic interest.

(b) The special identification plates assigned to motor vehicles with an engine of 16 or more cylinders manufactured prior to 1965 and to any motor vehicle manufactured in the year 1922 and prior thereto shall run in a separate numerical series, commencing with "Horseless Carriage No. 1".

The special identification plates assigned to vehicles specified in paragraph (3) of subdivision (a) shall run in a separate numerical series, commencing with "Historical Vehicle No. 1".

Each series of plates shall have different and distinguishing colors.

(c) A fee of twenty-five dollars ($25) shall be charged for the initial issuance of the special identification plates. Such plates shall be permanent and shall not be required to be replaced. If such special identification plates become damaged or unserviceable in any manner, replacement for the plates may be obtained from the department upon proper application and upon payment of such fee as is provided for in Section 9265.

(d) All funds received by the department in payment for such identification plates or the replacement thereof shall be deposited in the California Environmental License Plate Fund.

(e) These vehicles shall not be exempt from the equipment provisions of Sections 26709, 27150, and 27600.

(f) As used in this section, a vehicle is of historic interest if it is collected, restored, maintained, and operated by a collector or hobbyist principally for purposes of exhibition and historic vehicle club activities.
So in california the car must only be driven to shows, parades, ect. Can't be going to the bank or something (and the car must be 25 years old). Yep not interested ...

Edit-- CA really sucks as this is form Maryland's DMV:

To be registered as a historic vehicle (class L), your vehicle must be a passenger vehicle, motorcycle or truck (with a GVWR of 10,000 pounds or less): be 20 calendar years old or older and must not have been substantially altered, remodeled or remanufactured from the manufacturers original design.

A vehicle registered as historic cannot be used for general daily transportation, or primarily for the transportation of passengers or property on highways. It can only be used in exhibitions, club activities, parades, tours, occasional transportation and similar uses. A trailer does not qualify for historic registration.

A historic registration may also be issued to a truck with a GVWR in excess of 10,000 pounds, a tractor or a motor home as long as the vehicle is 25 calendar years old or older. The vehicle cannot be substantially altered, remodeled or remanufactured from its original design. Vehicles issued historic tags under these criteria cannot be used for occasional transportation, or for any commercial transportation of passengers or property on highways. A historic vehicle in this category must be insured by a Historic Vehicle, Show Vehicle, or Antique Vehicle insurance policy.

If your historic vehicle is 60 years old or older, you may obtain a permanent, non-transferable registration for a one-time fee. Note: A historic motor vehicle 60 years old or older do not qualify for a special registration plates since they require an annual registration fee.

You can apply to register your vehicle as a historic vehicle in person at any of the MVA’s full service branch offices. You also can mail the required documents to the MVA’s Mail in Registration Unit in the Glen Burnie office, or go to an MVA licensed tag and title service where they will assist you in applying. Licensed tag and title services will charge a fee for this service.

The registration application documents include:

Application form – When your vehicle has a Maryland title and you are registering and titling it at the same time, the title can be used as the application form for both transactions. If the vehicle’s title was issued by another state, use the Application for Certificate of Title to apply. If you have already titled the vehicle in Maryland and now want to register it, you will need to complete the Application for New Plates/Stickers & Transfer of Plates or Non-Title Trailers.
Application for Historic or Street Rod Registration
Under certain circumstances, additional information and/or forms may be required:

Application for the Use of Vintage Registration Plates – If you possess vintage (old) license plates that are dated the same year as your vehicle’s model year, you may apply to display these vintage license plates on the vehicle, in place of the historic tags that are usually displayed. The vehicle must be 25 years old or older to display vintage license plates. The historic tags will still be issued, the renewal fees must be paid, and the plates must be carried in the vehicle at all times. There is a one-time fee for the use of vintage tags.
Specialty license plate application form – Historic vehicles are also eligible to display personalized message (vanity) plates. If you choose to request these plates, see Registration – Specialty License Plates for details. Historic vehicles 60 years or older, with permanent registration, do not qualify for special registration plates.
Note: A Maryland Safety Inspection Certificate is not required to register this vehicle.
So basically in Maryland you can use it for the occasional pleasure driving... Boo on CA but hey at least our weather is sunny today with an expect high of 66F ... yep anything to make myself feel better lol...

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Old 01-04-13, 11:25 AM
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I'm so jealous ...

CA info:
California Historical Vehicle Plates...finally got them - Pelican Parts Technical BBS

V C Section 5004 Vehicles of Historic Value

https://www.rx7club.com/1st-gen-non-...plates-800264/
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beat me to it Montego ...
Old 01-04-13, 11:46 AM
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Very cool! Again, to bad CA doesn't care about automotive enthusiasts.
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Crispy beat me to it. Nevada only has two smog counties, washoe and clark basically Reno and Vegas, and they have a similar exception. Any car 25 years and older is considered a classic but you can only drive it 5000 miles a year I believe and they also have an exception for 20 years and older "hot rods" also 5000 miles restriction. I will be trying tomorrow to become a hot rod. I hope this work as I will not only enjoy not dealing with smog anymore but also I only have to pay $10 to renew my registration every year.
Old 01-04-13, 12:53 PM
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I just sent in my application for Historic tags, you beat me to it Crispy!
Old 01-04-13, 12:59 PM
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Arizona's eligibility requirements for historic vehicles are 15 years or older, so I've been in their program for quite a few years now.

Same here, vehicles in our classic car program are exempt from emissions testing. AZ also issues tags in 1 year increments up to 5 years with NO vehicle inspections, so you only need to contact DMV for tags once every 5 years if you can afford to take that route. Must have Classic Car Insurance through a limited use carrier like Grundy, Haggerty, etc., i.e., 3K to 5K use miles per year, and can not be your primary vehicle.

The Classic Car that you're trying to ensure can also NOT be newer than your primary vehicle (not sure why they have that clause).
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Originally Posted by Rotary13B1
an FD that's SMOG exempt! WOW!

Congrats! Time to move to MD.
Just register your cars in Quartzite AZ Andy. Only 3 hours from LA bro!
Old 01-04-13, 02:38 PM
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So jealous. It's 25 years here a few miles away in NoVA
Old 01-04-13, 02:48 PM
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Originally Posted by RCCAZ 1
Just register your cars in Quartzite AZ Andy. Only 3 hours from LA bro!

Do you have a vacation home address I can use???

3hours, no problem! Easier than dealing with CA Smog for sure!!
Old 01-04-13, 10:49 PM
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My March 92 FD has to wait to be 25 years old in Texas to be either a Classic or Antique.

Classic only gets a yearly safety inspection with unlimited miles. Antique has no testing at all but only may be driven in events.
Old 01-05-13, 08:15 AM
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I like your vents in the place of the rear reflectors...To allow trapped air out of the bumper I assume .
Old 01-05-13, 08:43 AM
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Nice!

VA is 25 years so I'll have to wait on the antique plate.

Crispy,
On AVG how many miles a year do you drive it and what's the mileage limit for historic vehicles in MD?
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Too bad you couldn't get '777' or '007' for your plate

In NJ, regardless of vehicle age if you prove that the car was made in limited quantities you qualify for NJ Collector Vehicle Registration...... no emissions requirements and no noise restrictions. Has a 6000 mile every two year limit however.

While I'm at it, everyone should contact American Collectors Insurance for a quote. How has a full policy with $20k agreed on coverage for $450 annually sound ?
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Originally Posted by Ceylon
I like your vents in the place of the rear reflectors...To allow trapped air out of the bumper I assume .
More details here:
Triple-R: Vented Rear Marker Lights

Originally Posted by Fritz Flynn
Crispy,
On AVG how many miles a year do you drive it and what's the mileage limit for historic vehicles in MD?
Fritz,
Around a couple of thousand per year. My Car has about 42k miles on it currently and I bought it with 20k on it in 1997 so you do the math. For insurance purposes (as a recreational 2nd vehicle)there is a 4k limit per year. I wasn't entirely correct...I don't beleive the MD MVA has a specified limit.

Originally Posted by GoodfellaFD3S
Too bad you couldn't get '777' or '007' for your plate

In NJ, regardless of vehicle age if you prove that the car was made in limited quantities you qualify for NJ Collector Vehicle Registration...... no emissions requirements and no noise restrictions. Has a 6000 mile every two year limit however.

While I'm at it, everyone should contact American Collectors Insurance for a quote. How has a full policy with $20k agreed on coverage for $450 annually sound ?
Rich,
MD has rediculously expensive vanity plate fees but maybe just maybe I'll get one.

6000 miles per year is a lot for an FD IMHO

Great price on the collector car coverage however $20k wouldn't come close to covering my car. Now that I've got the Tags taken care of I'll be pursuing actual cash value insurance through Hagarty, which is owned by Allstate BTW (who is my current carrier so no worries with "switching" insurance). I'll let you know what I come up with.

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American Collectors will also write you up for Agreed Value, and in my experience were MUCH MUCH MUCH better to deal with than Hagerty.

Also, it's 6000 every two years, so 3000 miles per year for the NJ Collector Registration.

The American Collectors Insurance allows 5000 miles per year however.
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I've had insurance with both Hagerty and Grundy, and neither of them asked or cared what kind of tags/registration the cars had. Neither company had a mileage limit, but I don't drive any one car very much anyway. I can't comment on difficulty of claims dealings (fortunately).

By the way, Crispy do you mind if I stop by and say hello at your office some time?
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i wish i could do it and still drive it on the roads in california
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Crispy motivated me to get me act together and I said goodbye to smog yippie!!!!!! I don't know how I feel about the classic rod part but o well



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Old 01-11-13, 08:35 PM
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Nice, luckily no smog in IL for OBD-1.
Old 01-12-13, 03:27 AM
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Come to TX.... no smogging... as long as you stay out of Williamson and Travis counties, you're A-OK.

Or Florida, where you can be driving something that most would consider unsafe to drive.


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