stock FD, 15 g's to spend...
My way to make 11s in the quarter, better gearing, less stress on the motor. With the stock ratios you have a VERY high top speed potential, much higher than you need for street or drag strip.
Get 4.77 diff gear, shoot for 350rwhp or so and you'll be into the 11s (not the low 11s). Even with the stock 4.10 gears on a FD you'll have to shift into 4th to finish your quarter in the 11s so you aren't adding an extra shift (4.77 gear on stock tire size gives you theoretical 116.4mph top speed in 4th). This also still leaves you a 161mph top speed in 5th which even at most tracks is plenty fast (though if I was going to do a lot of 130-160 mph track driving I'd probably opt for 4.30 gear).
With the money you save not having to try and get some insane HP numbers you can buy proper safety items for having a car that fast so the track will actually let you come back a second time
(Like a fire ext system, at least a 4 point cage, a harness bar, some 5pt harnesses and a nice helmet).
My suggestions to make the HP you need....
Re-man, 3mm seals, street port - $3000
Re-man, stock twins - $1000
Pettit Unlimited ECU - $450 (Buy one off Classified here)
Fuel System (Pump, reg, injectors) - $1000
AVC-R or HKS EVC Boost Controller (Let the shop you choose pick which they like better) - $450
4.70-4.77 Diff Gear - $650
LSD - $750
Cage, harness bar - $850
Corbeau Seats - $500
Harnesses - $300
Helmet - $350
Intercooler - $1000
Piping - $450
Air Intake - $350
Exhaust (downpipe, midpipe, catback) - $500
Labor - ???? Talk to a shop, if you do all of the work with one shop at one time you may be able to get a pretty good deal.
This doesn't get you a new radiator, oil cooler, gauges, suspension, wheels, or paint, diff bushings, torque brace, etc, etc, etc....it all adds up fast.
You'll start to see quickly why some others recommended buying an already modified car from somebody else and fixing what you need.
If your turbos are strong you can dump the $1000 for the re-man on them.
Get 4.77 diff gear, shoot for 350rwhp or so and you'll be into the 11s (not the low 11s). Even with the stock 4.10 gears on a FD you'll have to shift into 4th to finish your quarter in the 11s so you aren't adding an extra shift (4.77 gear on stock tire size gives you theoretical 116.4mph top speed in 4th). This also still leaves you a 161mph top speed in 5th which even at most tracks is plenty fast (though if I was going to do a lot of 130-160 mph track driving I'd probably opt for 4.30 gear).
With the money you save not having to try and get some insane HP numbers you can buy proper safety items for having a car that fast so the track will actually let you come back a second time
(Like a fire ext system, at least a 4 point cage, a harness bar, some 5pt harnesses and a nice helmet).My suggestions to make the HP you need....
Re-man, 3mm seals, street port - $3000
Re-man, stock twins - $1000
Pettit Unlimited ECU - $450 (Buy one off Classified here)
Fuel System (Pump, reg, injectors) - $1000
AVC-R or HKS EVC Boost Controller (Let the shop you choose pick which they like better) - $450
4.70-4.77 Diff Gear - $650
LSD - $750
Cage, harness bar - $850
Corbeau Seats - $500
Harnesses - $300
Helmet - $350
Intercooler - $1000
Piping - $450
Air Intake - $350
Exhaust (downpipe, midpipe, catback) - $500
Labor - ???? Talk to a shop, if you do all of the work with one shop at one time you may be able to get a pretty good deal.
This doesn't get you a new radiator, oil cooler, gauges, suspension, wheels, or paint, diff bushings, torque brace, etc, etc, etc....it all adds up fast.
You'll start to see quickly why some others recommended buying an already modified car from somebody else and fixing what you need.
If your turbos are strong you can dump the $1000 for the re-man on them.
Frankly guys, if you read through the thread it's clear that madboost doesn't deserve anyone's help. I have to underscore what Ferrari550 noted; its painfully obvious that "lucky" was intended to mean fortunate. No reasonable person could interpret this as derogatory. So Madboost, get the chip off your shoulder before you ask for more advice.
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wow, this went off the deep end pretty quickly.
1. Totally agree - think he meant lucky, as in, being lucky that things have worked out, even with the hard work. I've worked hard for what i have, but I consider myself very lucky for a lot of things. For being born with a brain. For living in a country with so many opportunities. Lucky for many many things... all my hard work would have gotten me 20 dollars a month if i was born in a third world country.
2. Madboost, there are tons of paths. If you really love your car, not just the factg that its an rx7, but really love your car - then by all means contact one of the rotary shopped mentioned earlier, like gotham and have them give you a quote for exactly what you are looking for - hp, reliability, etc.
3. If you care about $$s and want to stick with an rx7, sell, buy a modded one. While you may feel like you are spending more... look at it this way. If you follow your current path, assuming $30k original cost, $30k + $20k to mod. You'd have a 11s rx7 for $50. If you sold your car, and bought one for $20, that's $30 - $13 (that you get back) + $20 (you would spend), costing you $37k, for an 11 second rx7. Its all a preference. I love my rx7. Not just any rx7, but my rx7. and I have enjoyed every step with it. So for me, my rx7, which I know inside and out now, is the one i stay with.
4. Finally, when I have garage space, and tons of time, I would love to try an LT1 or LS1 rx7. From what I understand, they are not all that expensive to do. I spoke with the guys at hinsen supercars (think that was it), and they quoted something around the ballpark of $15k or something.
So you have a lot of choices. Think it through, and don't take things too seriously. The folks here are amzing. I mean, we all share a common love.. right?
I know I owuld have never made it through so far without the folks here at rx7club.
1. Totally agree - think he meant lucky, as in, being lucky that things have worked out, even with the hard work. I've worked hard for what i have, but I consider myself very lucky for a lot of things. For being born with a brain. For living in a country with so many opportunities. Lucky for many many things... all my hard work would have gotten me 20 dollars a month if i was born in a third world country.
2. Madboost, there are tons of paths. If you really love your car, not just the factg that its an rx7, but really love your car - then by all means contact one of the rotary shopped mentioned earlier, like gotham and have them give you a quote for exactly what you are looking for - hp, reliability, etc.
3. If you care about $$s and want to stick with an rx7, sell, buy a modded one. While you may feel like you are spending more... look at it this way. If you follow your current path, assuming $30k original cost, $30k + $20k to mod. You'd have a 11s rx7 for $50. If you sold your car, and bought one for $20, that's $30 - $13 (that you get back) + $20 (you would spend), costing you $37k, for an 11 second rx7. Its all a preference. I love my rx7. Not just any rx7, but my rx7. and I have enjoyed every step with it. So for me, my rx7, which I know inside and out now, is the one i stay with.
4. Finally, when I have garage space, and tons of time, I would love to try an LT1 or LS1 rx7. From what I understand, they are not all that expensive to do. I spoke with the guys at hinsen supercars (think that was it), and they quoted something around the ballpark of $15k or something.
So you have a lot of choices. Think it through, and don't take things too seriously. The folks here are amzing. I mean, we all share a common love.. right?
I know I owuld have never made it through so far without the folks here at rx7club.
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ok... found my pm from when I was talking with Hinson Supercars... here is what they said: Its a bit old, so i have no clue if its cheaper or more expensive or what, but these costs are including the cost of the car:
"The LS1 engine is the way to go with these conversions. Using an LT1 will disturb the balance of the vehicle, and the stock HP level is much lower than the LS1.
The base cost to get in one these cars is estimated at $15,500. We recommend people to budget $17-18K in order to do the conversion the "right" way.
Let us know if you have any more questions or concerns.
Brian Hinson
HinsonSuperCars.com
brian@hinsonsupercars.com
205.887.5161
"The LS1 engine is the way to go with these conversions. Using an LT1 will disturb the balance of the vehicle, and the stock HP level is much lower than the LS1.
The base cost to get in one these cars is estimated at $15,500. We recommend people to budget $17-18K in order to do the conversion the "right" way.
Let us know if you have any more questions or concerns.
Brian Hinson
HinsonSuperCars.com
brian@hinsonsupercars.com
205.887.5161
Originally Posted by nycrx7
"The LS1 engine is the way to go with these conversions. Using an LT1 will disturb the balance of the vehicle, and the stock HP level is much lower than the LS1."
Originally Posted by artguy
take the fd and sell it. put the cash for the fd and your 15k toward a z06. You are going to be spending another twenty grand over the next few years on your fd (new motors and everything else you can imagine breaking when you push the car that hard)...on top of that fifteen grand....so you might as well get a car that will be on the road for a while if you are going to blow your wad.
If I had my way to do it over again, I would.....oh what the hell..I love the fd too...talk to steve at gotham...he will set you up right.
If I had my way to do it over again, I would.....oh what the hell..I love the fd too...talk to steve at gotham...he will set you up right.
i agree 100%. having a "rare" car is nice and all, but having one that is pretty much all around faster, more reliable, and easier to live with is nice too.
but if you are dead set on the FD, call gotham or rx7store, whatever is closer.
Originally Posted by artguy
take the fd and sell it. put the cash for the fd and your 15k toward a z06. You are going to be spending another twenty grand over the next few years on your fd (new motors and everything else you can imagine breaking when you push the car that hard)...on top of that fifteen grand....so you might as well get a car that will be on the road for a while if you are going to blow your wad.
If I had my way to do it over again, I would.....oh what the hell..I love the fd too...talk to steve at gotham...he will set you up right.
I think the key with FDs is don't go nuts with the mods....these little engines can crank out 300-350 hp (with all the bolt ons) fairly reliably, but start cramming more air through them at higher pressure to hit 400+ and you increase your risk of failure dramatically....a great number of case histories on this forum substantiate this assessment
take the fd and sell it. put the cash for the fd and your 15k toward a z06. You are going to be spending another twenty grand over the next few years on your fd (new motors and everything else you can imagine breaking when you push the car that hard)...on top of that fifteen grand....so you might as well get a car that will be on the road for a while if you are going to blow your wad.
If I had my way to do it over again, I would.....oh what the hell..I love the fd too...talk to steve at gotham...he will set you up right.
I think the key with FDs is don't go nuts with the mods....these little engines can crank out 300-350 hp (with all the bolt ons) fairly reliably, but start cramming more air through them at higher pressure to hit 400+ and you increase your risk of failure dramatically....a great number of case histories on this forum substantiate this assessment
wddup guys, i was busy helping with my boi's grand opeing all day from 9 am to midnight, that sh_t was poppin, it couldnt have been any better. Our buddy B rad recently became an intern at the loacal hiphop radio station called B96 doin stupid sh_t every 6 to 10pm. he had to do all kinds of stupid jackass type of sh_t to get the internship, like having some1 spit a loogey directly in his mouth, but thats a whole nother story. anywayz he got the plug to have b96 broadcast and promote our friends grand opening and car show from 5 to 9 at the shop. about every 20 or 30 minutes the dj Big Time would broadcast again telling every1 to come down. so there was way, way more ppl than expected. Every1 thinks their gonna bank at this rich kid city location in apple valley.
After all the feedback im not so sure i want to soup up this particular car, i just thought it was an oppotunity to get everything i ever needed for my car at a wholesale price.
1st of all, at 15 stacks thats not even half my equity. 2nd i know its not a good plan financially, if you had read what i said. its just something ive always wanted to do, i think thats why a lot of FD owners spend so much on their cars.3rd im not exactly sure what im gonna do yet, thats why i posted here for suggestions and opinions. 4th dont post just to start an argument or talk sh_t.
i dont give a dam what you decide to believe, i happen to have a lot of young friends who own homes, buisnesses and ballin *** cars, and most of them are HS dropouts, i have 7 young friends who are mortgage brokers, 2 of them are actually senior brokers and 6 out of the 7 are HS dropouts too, 1 of those friends of mine actually wrote me the loan for low interest and no closing costs. you guys are ignorant, you dont know that in MN its a common thing for ppl to buy houses at an early age with assistance from family, or friends buying houses together.in the last 10 years or so appreciation of value of MN homes were at record highs, not that the usual 8 years to double value is bad, but it was better than 8 for a short period, that combined with the record lows of mortgage rates at 4% fixed and 1.1% variable a few years back, now their up to like 7% or more and still goin up btw. So there has been a strong sense of urgency in MN in the past 10 years to buy land and as much of it as possible.so believe what you like, my life is the same either way.
After all the feedback im not so sure i want to soup up this particular car, i just thought it was an oppotunity to get everything i ever needed for my car at a wholesale price.
Originally Posted by jimlab
So basically you're going to trade your equity for a loan to modify a car that's more than likely going to break at the power levels you're looking for? Good plan. 

1st of all, at 15 stacks thats not even half my equity. 2nd i know its not a good plan financially, if you had read what i said. its just something ive always wanted to do, i think thats why a lot of FD owners spend so much on their cars.3rd im not exactly sure what im gonna do yet, thats why i posted here for suggestions and opinions. 4th dont post just to start an argument or talk sh_t.
Originally Posted by turbojeff
Right now I find it hard to believe you have a house that you want to pull a bunch of equity out of and toss it out the window on a FD...
Last edited by MADBOOST; Aug 1, 2004 at 05:09 AM.
Originally Posted by jimlab
Riiiiight. 

hey jim...have you driven a v8 rx7? when's that car gonna be done anyhow?
speaking of lots of money into a project...man it is whatever makes you happy. I shelled out 14 last year on my fd. It was what I wanted to do...though right now Id rather have the extra cash and dump it into my art studio at my house instead. a 14k sound and lighting system would do this place wonders.

J
hey i really do appreciate everybody's information and suggestions, they really do help a lot, and if any1 knows of anybody selling a heavily modded FD, please let me know....
yeah i realize it wasnt right for me to snap like that over the "lucky" thing, it was early in the morn, right b4 sleep, much like right now, except no coronas today. i was a lot grumpier than usual. i still feel just a little bit offended by the ignorant remark, but at any other time i really wouldnt have made such a big deal out of it. i just tend to start **** a little bit more when im drinking
and as for your mathamatical equations, it was a little confusing, but i think i get the jist of it. but see i payd 18 for my car, if i sell it i will lose 4 or 5 stacks. and i get your point i just dont know how much i would save, kuzz i dont know yet how much it i will need to spend to have a reliable 11 sec car.1nce i fugure out exactly what i would need, then i gotta find out pricing for wholesale and compare to how much i would expect to pay for a modded FD+ the extra $$ i need to spend to make it run right.like a new motor probably.
Mpls, black, why?
err... do rx7's with v8's handle shatty? the idea always sounded appetizing to me, but only as a 2nd rx7 in an fc shell maybe. i would still want a turbo rotory motor in my nicest rx7, its just a big part of what the rx7 is, like it or not
Quote:
Originally Posted by MADBOOST
"kuzz... payd... gonna..."
at this point in my life school would only slow down my career and cash flow. Like i proved a few posts ago with examples, a college education is not necessary to be successfull in life. it doesnt make much of a difference in buisiness and mortgage whether you have a college education or not as long as your ambitious and learn some marketing strategies. and those are the 2 carreer paths im interested in, so dont worry bout me bruh
and your the idiot if you cant figure out what kuzz, payd, and gonna means. i obviously know how to speak like white ppl too. but i use abbreviations and AOL slang kuzz its way faster and im used to it from years of AOL. as long as the person im trying to communicate with understands the point, im not tryin to impress no1 or get a good grade, im just trying to get my point accorss as fast as i can type, kuzz believe it or not some ppl actually have lives and are busy, you're the real loser kuzz you just read threads and post to try to point out things to make ppl look stupid. or you think that somehow your better than me kuzz you have a college education that hasnt done much for you, or kuzz im not white and i grew up in the ghetto where the general population speaks a little differently than you.
^that paragraph can also go for the loser who wrote this:
no, its actually sad there are so many losers who really dont have anything better to do than to look for threads where they can talk sh_t or start an argument. stfu and change your name or buy a f ing ferrari you poser
and stop poluting ppls threads
Originally Posted by nycrx7
wow, this went off the deep end pretty quickly.
1. Totally agree - think he meant lucky, as in, being lucky that things have worked out, even with the hard work. I've worked hard for what i have, but I consider myself very lucky for a lot of things. For being born with a brain. For living in a country with so many opportunities. Lucky for many many things... all my hard work would have gotten me 20 dollars a month if i was born in a third world country.
2. Madboost, there are tons of paths. If you really love your car, not just the factg that its an rx7, but really love your car - then by all means contact one of the rotary shopped mentioned earlier, like gotham and have them give you a quote for exactly what you are looking for - hp, reliability, etc.
3. If you care about $$s and want to stick with an rx7, sell, buy a modded one. While you may feel like you are spending more... look at it this way. If you follow your current path, assuming $30k original cost, $30k + $20k to mod. You'd have a 11s rx7 for $50. If you sold your car, and bought one for $20, that's $30 - $13 (that you get back) + $20 (you would spend), costing you $37k, for an 11 second rx7. Its all a preference. I love my rx7. Not just any rx7, but my rx7. and I have enjoyed every step with it. So for me, my rx7, which I know inside and out now, is the one i stay with.
4. Finally, when I have garage space, and tons of time, I would love to try an LT1 or LS1 rx7. From what I understand, they are not all that expensive to do. I spoke with the guys at hinsen supercars (think that was it), and they quoted something around the ballpark of $15k or something.
So you have a lot of choices. Think it through, and don't take things too seriously. The folks here are amzing. I mean, we all share a common love.. right?
I know I owuld have never made it through so far without the folks here at rx7club.
1. Totally agree - think he meant lucky, as in, being lucky that things have worked out, even with the hard work. I've worked hard for what i have, but I consider myself very lucky for a lot of things. For being born with a brain. For living in a country with so many opportunities. Lucky for many many things... all my hard work would have gotten me 20 dollars a month if i was born in a third world country.
2. Madboost, there are tons of paths. If you really love your car, not just the factg that its an rx7, but really love your car - then by all means contact one of the rotary shopped mentioned earlier, like gotham and have them give you a quote for exactly what you are looking for - hp, reliability, etc.
3. If you care about $$s and want to stick with an rx7, sell, buy a modded one. While you may feel like you are spending more... look at it this way. If you follow your current path, assuming $30k original cost, $30k + $20k to mod. You'd have a 11s rx7 for $50. If you sold your car, and bought one for $20, that's $30 - $13 (that you get back) + $20 (you would spend), costing you $37k, for an 11 second rx7. Its all a preference. I love my rx7. Not just any rx7, but my rx7. and I have enjoyed every step with it. So for me, my rx7, which I know inside and out now, is the one i stay with.
4. Finally, when I have garage space, and tons of time, I would love to try an LT1 or LS1 rx7. From what I understand, they are not all that expensive to do. I spoke with the guys at hinsen supercars (think that was it), and they quoted something around the ballpark of $15k or something.
So you have a lot of choices. Think it through, and don't take things too seriously. The folks here are amzing. I mean, we all share a common love.. right?
I know I owuld have never made it through so far without the folks here at rx7club.and as for your mathamatical equations, it was a little confusing, but i think i get the jist of it. but see i payd 18 for my car, if i sell it i will lose 4 or 5 stacks. and i get your point i just dont know how much i would save, kuzz i dont know yet how much it i will need to spend to have a reliable 11 sec car.1nce i fugure out exactly what i would need, then i gotta find out pricing for wholesale and compare to how much i would expect to pay for a modded FD+ the extra $$ i need to spend to make it run right.like a new motor probably.
Originally Posted by Garoad
where in minnesota are you? what colors your FD?
Originally Posted by nycrx7
ok... found my pm from when I was talking with Hinson Supercars... here is what they said: Its a bit old, so i have no clue if its cheaper or more expensive or what, but these costs are including the cost of the car:
"The LS1 engine is the way to go with these conversions. Using an LT1 will disturb the balance of the vehicle, and the stock HP level is much lower than the LS1.
The base cost to get in one these cars is estimated at $15,500. We recommend people to budget $17-18K in order to do the conversion the "right" way.
Let us know if you have any more questions or concerns.
Brian Hinson
HinsonSuperCars.com
brian@hinsonsupercars.com
205.887.5161
"The LS1 engine is the way to go with these conversions. Using an LT1 will disturb the balance of the vehicle, and the stock HP level is much lower than the LS1.
The base cost to get in one these cars is estimated at $15,500. We recommend people to budget $17-18K in order to do the conversion the "right" way.
Let us know if you have any more questions or concerns.
Brian Hinson
HinsonSuperCars.com
brian@hinsonsupercars.com
205.887.5161
Quote:
Originally Posted by MADBOOST
"kuzz... payd... gonna..."
Originally Posted by Beny
Why dont you take some of that money, and go to school!
and your the idiot if you cant figure out what kuzz, payd, and gonna means. i obviously know how to speak like white ppl too. but i use abbreviations and AOL slang kuzz its way faster and im used to it from years of AOL. as long as the person im trying to communicate with understands the point, im not tryin to impress no1 or get a good grade, im just trying to get my point accorss as fast as i can type, kuzz believe it or not some ppl actually have lives and are busy, you're the real loser kuzz you just read threads and post to try to point out things to make ppl look stupid. or you think that somehow your better than me kuzz you have a college education that hasnt done much for you, or kuzz im not white and i grew up in the ghetto where the general population speaks a little differently than you.
^that paragraph can also go for the loser who wrote this:
Originally Posted by Ferrari550
Also, learn how to type. I think it is sad that you own your own house, yet you don't even know how to put together a coherant sentence that contains more that 2 words...
and stop poluting ppls threads
Last edited by MADBOOST; Aug 1, 2004 at 08:24 AM.
Originally Posted by artguy
hey jim...have you driven a v8 rx7? when's that car gonna be done anyhow?
speaking of lots of money into a project...man it is whatever makes you happy. I shelled out 14 last year on my fd. It was what I wanted to do...though right now Id rather have the extra cash and dump it into my art studio at my house instead. a 14k sound and lighting system would do this place wonders.

J
speaking of lots of money into a project...man it is whatever makes you happy. I shelled out 14 last year on my fd. It was what I wanted to do...though right now Id rather have the extra cash and dump it into my art studio at my house instead. a 14k sound and lighting system would do this place wonders.

J
Originally Posted by MADBOOST
1st of all, at 15 stacks thats not even half my equity.

2nd i know its not a good plan financially, if you had read what i said. its just something ive always wanted to do, i think thats why a lot of FD owners spend so much on their cars.
3rd im not exactly sure what im gonna do yet, thats why i posted here for suggestions and opinions.
4th dont post just to start an argument or talk sh_t.
Originally Posted by artguy
hey jim...have you driven a v8 rx7? when's that car gonna be done anyhow?
speaking of lots of money into a project...man it is whatever makes you happy.


