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Old 01-25-06, 01:18 AM
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Originally Posted by SuperColt
rammy how much hp u think iam pushing also does ray have a dyno
My guess at 16psi would be high 300's if the PFC is tuned right.
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man u too r kool as hell can i put your aims on my buddy list lmao iam still crackin up on thatt.."if someone comes up to you and says "Lets go drift" Slap the hell out of him and yell "Don't be an idoit" at the same time."<---best drift response ever
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hey guys were can i get new door and dash panels cuz mine r not lookin soo good
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supercolt not to offend but i know what kind of **** goes on with "first cars" (would you believe i had one too) and i think you may be getting into something thats more than a handful to deal with.
my advice: get a miata, not enough power? get a turbo'd miata, its a much more forgiving, cheaper, and more common car, what im saying in that is if you wreck it, which is a possibility with first cars, there'll ALWAYS be another miata, if you total an FD you'll have 74,620 (the number of people on this board) brand new worst enemies, thats just the mentality around here hehe.

EDIT: if you haven't already PLEASE read the faq at the top of the 3rd gen section, read everything and read some more. you'll be in a much better position to converse about FD's

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hey guys were can i get new door and dash panels cuz mine r not lookin soo good
You can call 888-533-3400
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Or look in the FS section of the forum. What side door pannel do you need? I have a passenger door pannel i'll sell you cheaper then it would cost from Ray.
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Originally Posted by SuperColt
rammy how much hp u think iam pushing also does ray have a dyno
I have a local friend who - with a ported motor and stage III BNRs - made 330 rwhp at 12 psi IIRC. And yes Ray has a dyno.

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hey guys were can i get new door and dash panels cuz mine r not lookin soo good
Which door do you need? I have a passenger side door... as for panels, check the 3rd gen parts for sale section of the forum (under the Classifieds section).

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Yes...please do. And did you read the links I posted?

And AGAIN, an FD for a first car is NOT smart or practical. Especially since you're going to be daily drivering it. You can believe me now, or you can tell me in a few weeks when it's too late I used to drive an '88 Chevy Nova, 4-speed, w/ a top speed of 85mph (which it could never do). And I almost killed myself w/ that car a ton of times as it is, including a few accidents.

I guess what I'm trying to say is, move up in steps, not in giant leaps. Check on the forum how many guys new to the FD wrecked their cars in the first MONTH... I won't even say year. It's real sad, because Mazda made an incredible sports car, but it's simply not a beast that's easy to control when pushed - and MANY a time you don't even realize you're pushing it, until it's too late... (like boosting around a turn on an on-ramp..)

That's my $0.02.
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idk guys i hate to say but i wanna prove u all worng i not getting the car to do 100+everyday plus i told u 1st car for me means i need to learn the car befor i go speeding also buying this car means the world to me ive been wanting a rx7 or supra befor i knew what they were they mean more to me then speed there a revaliton to the muscle car sure i could go buy a mustang but then iam like everyone else..idk i mean its not that much money kinda and iam willing to put some money and love into this but if i die will u guys come to my funerl
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I hope you do prove us wrong. But so far my money's on the statistics winning out here. Not to offend or flame, but it's easy to tell what's gonna happen when a person doesn't ask any of the right questions...or writes in a, um, certain style of what i like to call 'young-un'. I know it's a stereotype, but those of my friends who write in a similar fashion tend to have...trouble...with cars. (As in keeping them on the road or not damaged. )

I'm 24 and have gone through a good progression of cars to teach me how to drive. ('89 volvo - ~150hp, '93 volvo - ~160 hp, '96 Camaro - ~210hp...and then my lovely '69 Camaro @ ~650hp - wOOt!) I got myself in and out of some bad situations with that v6 camaro. Experience is everything. If you don't have it any car can turn around and bite you in the butt before you know it. Even at my age and with some limited track experience this car can still easily surpass my own abilities if i'm not on my toes. So please be careful. Sure we don't want you to get hurt, but if you wreck that car...well, i know a lot of people around here who won't be so nice.

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We're not trying to make you back out of buying this car but most of us are trying to warn you what you're getting yourself into. I hope that you've done a LOT of research about the FD before you jumped into buying it.

Like many had said before, this car is probably 300+ at the wheels and if this is your FIRST RWD car I suggest you either rethink about buying something else or really taking it easy with the car. I'm 23 and I had 7 cars so far, 5 Acura Integras (92-93), a 96 BMW M3 which was my first RWD car and with it I learned to control and respect RWD and then I got my RX-7 and that's a totally different beast compare to the BMW becuase is much lighter and then there's the boost. You could lose control on the 7 really quick and not know how to bring it back up to control.

I hate to see another FD wreck like many others by guys that don't know how to handle it But again, is your money but don't be **** when your engine blows and come posting here about how the FD sucks and you're going to blow it up or something because you'll be getting flame. Listen to Ramy and take his advice, if I was in your area I would've done the same thing he's doing, trying to help you out. Good luck
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I have a bad feeling about this.

1) You don't seem to have any knowledge about these cars. First, they don't make a good daily driver. Reliability, fuel usage, etc are major issues that make it less-than-convenient. See the FAQ thread at the top of this forum.

2) The FD is a race car in the sense that most systems on the car don't take abuse well, and after 12 years some parts are getting old and brittle. To buy one without losing your shorts, you've gotta rely on thorough inspection by a true expert and research.

To buy this car because it's cheaper than a Supra is plain crazy. The Supra will probably run for a long time without much more than oil changes and gas. It's not hard to buy an FD for $15k and turn around needing an engine rebuild for $5k that same year. Unless you've already owned it for years, there is no real way of knowing what the maintenance costs will be. If you're on a budget, the only reasonable way to do it is either accept that you can't drive when it's broken, or have a cheap daily driver so that you can deal with downtime.

3) I don't see any evidence that you have experience driving lightweight RWD sports cars. Trust me, they are different from a Mustang, different from any FWD or AWD sport compact. Speeding is not where drivers make mistakes with this car - it's stopping and turning. Just like a Ferrari, Viper, or Vette, this car will not magically recover if you take a corner too fast. Changes in the balance and attitude of the car come very, very quickly and it takes some experience to keep the car together at the brink.

4) You complain that you can't spell, but you write in 50+ word run-on sentences. Spelling is not the problem; it's the lack of sentences.

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once you get your FD checked out to see exactly what it has you might want to rethink daily driving it...how far from school do you live anyway? cause especiallly with those "mis-named" mods the car does not get good mileage at all unless it is extensively tuned. for highway mileage you're lookin at around 15-18mpg and city is somewhere around 10. and thats not a worse case scenario buddy. you should talk to the FD gurus aorund here. i mean i know some stuff about FD's but i know more about the '85 GSL-SE's than anything else. you bought an fd to put them civics in thier place? i pray for you that you dont wreck the car. my dads 310hp s/c VW is a handfull especially since its FWD. i've driven FD before but nothing that no more than 350hp. and that FD ran an 11.8 at 120mph on street slicks and BNR stage 3's at 18psi using 93 pump gas. dont make a mistake guy for the sake of you and your car. you wouldve been better off with a 240sx or an older model RX-7 than an fd cause once sumin breaks on ur fd you will most likely not be able get it fixed due to lack of knowledge on the car and since parts are very costly to replace if you cant DIY. im not tryin to put you out there im just trying to look out for noobs, since i knew a friend who's dad bought him a 94 fd 2 years ago that was immaculate, the night he got it some dude in a camaro challenged him to race and he ended up rolling car cause once he went to 2nd the tires spun and the car went sideways slightly and he didnt notice and the tires got grip and caught him off the road, spun the car back onto the road and then hit a curbed median and wrecked the car. he walked away with a concussion and a few cuts and bruises. please for your sake take it easy. the FD is not something to take lightly. BTW how old are you?
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get a turbo'd miata, very forgiving compared to an FD
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if i posted how old i was i get 100 more post on y i shouldnt get the car witch iam startin to think maybe not but i was hopein to talk to rammy again maybe he could show me how to drive it thats how my brother learnd to drive his zx-15 the guy who slold. it to0 him had a nother so he showed him how to take turns and stuff rammy if u read this dude ill throw some cash your way to take me out and show me how to do on ramps and stuff....
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dude iam 6'3 and 250 lb it almost like a heaven sent for the rx7 its like a perfect fit almost but i dont think ill look rite in a lil miata
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not really...i learned how to drive when i was 8, my dad and i took a trip to NY to break in my moms new car and on the trip he set the cruise control and sat me on his lap. then at 10 he took me to a lonely 4 lane road and told me to drive his manual rx-2. i drove it like a champ, he didnt tell me to do anything....so why would you be afraid of postin ur age? im 21...... i've owned 4 cars already and all were rx-7s. im just warning you dude, the learning curve on the fd can either be sharp and fast or slightly curved and take a while....take the latter. but as soon you gain more driving exp. then you will be more respected when driving your fd aorund
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welli know how to drive my brother has a 2004 c5 and my dad had cars up the butt so i know how to bring back a car from fish tailing off the start my bro lets me drivwe his some times but iam just scared about like rammy said boosting too soon and goin in to a wall or shifting and loosing control. also my school rite down the street like maybe a min and 30 secs away no joke
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you can fit somewhat comfortable....a friend of mine who owns 2 fd's and a turbo II whos 6' 4" and 280 is barely comfy in any of his cars. im 5' 7" and 160 and the car is just right, especially for road racing, (i road race a few of my buddies' FD's) for a hobby.remember the fd was designed to fit the japanese before they were designed for the U.S. people( larger bodies). i dont want this to start into somekind of argument, but im not going to give you the benefit of the doubt either.

All im saying is take it easy driving the car, should you feel like you want to open her up do it in an empty parking lot with nothing to hit then you can learn as much as your heart desires.
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Originally Posted by dgeesaman
Speeding is not where drivers make mistakes with this car - it's stopping and turning. Just like a Ferrari, Viper, or Vette, this car will not magically recover if you take a corner too fast. Changes in the balance and attitude of the car come very, very quickly and it takes some experience to keep the car together at the brink.
PERFECT. Really. Yea, sometimes you hear about the idiot who lost it at 140 in the rain on a bumpy bridge lol...but most of the time ppl lose control when they're going around turns or uneven surfaces.

Man...you put me in ANY FWD car, and I can PLOW through ANY turn on the gas, the whole way through...but w/ the FD, I'm literally feathering the throttle, cuz I gotta make sure I don't suddenly boost. But ppl simply don't realize how tailhappy the FD is...or they're overconfident in their skills.

And on the real Dave, it sure doesn't help that ppl my age have grown up on video games where you can plow into a wall at 120+, and it'll somehow just replace the car back on track...no damage, no harm, no foul...

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if i posted how old i was i get 100 more post on y i shouldnt get the car witch iam startin to think maybe not
There are two main issues here.

1) Your (and other ppl's) young age. No matter what the circumstances are, young drivers are inexperienced. Why? Because while you may be able to drive a car alone on a deserted road, it takes YEARS of experience in driving on populated streets to learn how to drive saftely amongst traffic. Really. I'm a little overconfident in my driving, which keeps me teetering between dangerous and reckless, but it's because I've been driving for so long (permit since I was 15 in VA...back in the good old days haha) that I can literally predict what the other idiots on the street are about to do, before they do it or signal. And even then, sometimes I'm wrong, and only from experience can you save yourself - and sometimes even that's not enough.

2) Your inexperience w/ a lightweight, peaky, high hp vehicle that is by it's nature tailhappy. I already elaborated on this point, and I hope you read the links I provided you w/ earlier. Really. So I won't repeat myself here about this point.

but i was hopein to talk to rammy again maybe he could show me how to drive it thats how my brother learnd to drive his zx-15 the guy who slold. it to0 him had a nother so he showed him how to take turns and stuff rammy if u read this dude ill throw some cash your way to take me out and show me how to do on ramps and stuff....
Dude I don't want your cash...I just don't want to be posting about selling parts from your wrecked car...or worse yet, telling ppl a young local FD owner died or was hospitalized I'd love to help out if I can. Heck, I'll take you out in the good old FB, and show you what romping on the throttle can do around a turn...I think you'll get my drift pretty quickly (no pun intended), and realize that how the FD can do that in optimum conditions if you're not aware.

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dude iam 6'3 and 250 lb it almost like a heaven sent for the rx7 its like a perfect fit almost but i dont think ill look rite in a lil miata
Although I still think your first car should be an 80's Honda or Toyota, if you REALLY want a modern sports car, I'd suggest something that handles, is fast, but is a lot safter...say an RX-8 or an S2K. Both - from my experience - simply don't have such peaky power to make them deathtraps around turns for the inexperienced. True, if you act dumb you can wreck anything, but those cars are pretty darn good. Or even an EVO or WRX/STi. The choices are endless. Heck, even a 2nd gen RX7 (FC) like a Turbo II will put Hondas in their place, while still helping you learn how to control a lightweight rwd car. Give it some serious thought man...

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i just dont want this to happen to me i mean i said some what of a fit i got to push the seat all the way back with a small tilt and then iam fine look at this vid and tell me do i need to be ready for this...http://videos.streetfire.net/Player....66828189E0&p=0
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PERFECT. Really. Yea, sometimes you hear about the idiot who lost it at 140 in the rain on a bumpy bridge lol...but most of the time ppl lose control when they're going around turns or uneven surfaces.

Man...you put me in ANY FWD car, and I can PLOW through ANY turn on the gas, the whole way through...but w/ the FD, I'm literally feathering the throttle, cuz I gotta make sure I don't suddenly boost. But ppl simply don't realize how tailhappy the FD is...or they're overconfident in their skills.

And on the real Dave, it sure doesn't help that ppl my age have grown up on video games where you can plow into a wall at 120+, and it'll somehow just replace the car back on track...no damage, no harm, no foul...

There are two main issues here.

1) Your (and other ppl's) young age. No matter what the circumstances are, young drivers are inexperienced. Why? Because while you may be able to drive a car alone on a deserted road, it takes YEARS of experience in driving on populated streets to learn how to drive saftely amongst traffic. Really. I'm a little overconfident in my driving, which keeps me teetering between dangerous and reckless, but it's because I've been driving for so long (permit since I was 15 in VA...back in the good old days haha) that I can literally predict what the other idiots on the street are about to do, before they do it or signal. And even then, sometimes I'm wrong, and only from experience can you save yourself - and sometimes even that's not enough.

2) Your inexperience w/ a lightweight, peaky, high hp vehicle that is by it's nature tailhappy. I already elaborated on this point, and I hope you read the links I provided you w/ earlier. Really. So I won't repeat myself here about this point.

Dude I don't want your cash...I just don't want to be posting about selling parts from your wrecked car...or worse yet, telling ppl a young local FD owner died or was hospitalized I'd love to help out if I can. Heck, I'll take you out in the good old FB, and show you what romping on the throttle can do around a turn...I think you'll get my drift pretty quickly (no pun intended), and realize that how the FD can do that in optimum conditions if you're not aware.

Although I still think your first car should be an 80's Honda or Toyota, if you REALLY want a modern sports car, I'd suggest something that handles, is fast, but is a lot safter...say an RX-8 or an S2K. Both - from my experience - simply don't have such peaky power to make them deathtraps around turns for the inexperienced. True, if you act dumb you can wreck anything, but those cars are pretty darn good. Or even an EVO or WRX/STi. The choices are endless. Heck, even a 2nd gen RX7 (FC) like a Turbo II will put Hondas in their place, while still helping you learn how to control a lightweight rwd car. Give it some serious thought man...

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I totally agree with you ramy
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Originally Posted by SuperColt
i just dont want this to happen to me i mean i said some what of a fit i got to push the seat all the way back with a small tilt and then iam fine look at this vid and tell me do i need to be ready for this...http://videos.streetfire.net/Player....66828189E0&p=0

...yes..every car handles different, those Vipers and vettes, even though they have 450+hp they still weigh over 3,000lbs, the vette does weigh that much even if the floor pan is made of lightweight balsa wood and the chassis and body panels made of aluminum. the viper is more steel than anything else. basically any american musle wieghs more than what you think. 2 weeks ago i saw a C6 vette with intake and full exhaust that made something like 460hp (tuned, i think by lingenfelter corvette) could only make a 1/4 pass at 12.8@125 on street slicks...an fd with that power can easily make a low 11 sec pass with some good street tires even a high 10, search for John duarte's vids, he made a 10.98 with a non-seq setup...once you find them you'll know what im talkin bout

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yep almost all of them u did post alot with iam thankfull for
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so here is what i have gathered from reading through this thread and monitoring it for the last few days. you're 16 (give or take), male, you want a fast import (who wouldn't), you've never been behind the wheel of ANY car for a long amount of time (months). and against the advice of some of the MOST RESPECTED members on this FD forum you are going to buy the FD. I know this because you have not even adressed what people have said about buying a different rear-wheel car to learn in. When i got my license i had the same mentality as you "**** a slow car i am ready and responsible enough to take on a sports car" well i got a 2.0L front wheel car and i ran into 2 things in it, within a week of eachother (mind you this is after 9 months of perfect driving so i was feeling pretty confident) Those two events crippled my driving manhood. I felt like an idiot, the first was jsut running off the road because i let off the throttle too fast and got snap oversteer and wasn't expecting it going into a turn in a FWD so after trying to correct my tires gave up and down an embankment i went, amazingly only minor dmg to the car. a week later i was one street away form the previous accident picking a girl up at 4:30 in the morning and a deer came out of nowhere as im cruising 40 down a halfmile long straight, where the F did that deer come from? donno. but i would like you to swallow your pride here and think about what you are getting into. its hard to contemplate that there may be cars out there that are beyond the abilities of a 16 year old who just got his license. please take something else to learn in, bang up a cheap dime-a-dozen car like a 2nd gen or a miata, or even a WRX if you have that kind of money. my dad use to say "when a teenage boy crashes his car it's god's fault for not suspending the laws of physics..." i find myself agreeing more and more...
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Well, I waited till I was 35 and had over 500k miles of driving under my belt before I bought my first "performance car". Which is of course my FD. Please consider the advice you've been given on the board by FDNewbie and the others. Not only do we not want to see another FD get trashed, but we absolutely do not want another dead driver.... In the end, the choice is yours. If you do decide to buy the FD, and who could blame you we all love our 7's, take time to learn how do drive her. THINK before you hit the throttle in any curve, on wet roads, at a stoplight, etc. In the end, it's the driver, not the car, that really determines how well things go on the road. You could mess up and get yourself killed on the road in an friggin' Yugo. But in an FD, it's alot easier to screw up......

EDIT: OMG, I said Yugo... How many people here actually remember Yugos.....


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