SR20DET'd RX7 vs. VOSKO
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SR20DET'd RX7 vs. VOSKO
I think the debate has ended.
vosko ran a best of 13.1 @ 111mph on April 6th
According to my calculation that is about 320hp@wheels.
So we can see that the track is the true test of power and not the dyno. The dyno should be used for tuning purposes ONLY and all results gained are only relative to the starting #s the dyno showed.
My Car made 365hp@wheels with an automatic, but yet it ran 11.2@130mph on Nitto drag radials with a crap 1.9 60ft. Vosko, I am not ******* you, but please quit flaming when you don't have a leg to stand on.
BTW, nice attempt at trying to hide your results in the NE RX7 Club forum. We are watching you!
vosko ran a best of 13.1 @ 111mph on April 6th
According to my calculation that is about 320hp@wheels.
So we can see that the track is the true test of power and not the dyno. The dyno should be used for tuning purposes ONLY and all results gained are only relative to the starting #s the dyno showed.
My Car made 365hp@wheels with an automatic, but yet it ran 11.2@130mph on Nitto drag radials with a crap 1.9 60ft. Vosko, I am not ******* you, but please quit flaming when you don't have a leg to stand on.
BTW, nice attempt at trying to hide your results in the NE RX7 Club forum. We are watching you!
Last edited by 240Z TwinTurbo; Apr 7, 2003 at 03:06 PM.
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Re: SR20DET'd RX7 vs. VOSKO
Originally posted by 240Z TwinTurbo
I think the debate has ended.
vosko ran a best of 13.1 @ 111mph on April 6th
According to my calculation that is about 320hp@wheels.
So we can see that the track is the true test of power and not the dyno. The dyno should be used for tuning purposes ONLY and all results gained are only relative to the starting #s the dyno showed.
My Car made 365hp@wheels with an automatic, but yet it ran 11.2@130mph on Nitto drag radials with a crap 1.9 60ft. Vosko, I am not ******* you, but please quit flaming when you don't have a leg to stand on.
BTW, nice attempt at trying to hide your results in the NE RX7 Club forum. We are watching you!
I think the debate has ended.
vosko ran a best of 13.1 @ 111mph on April 6th
According to my calculation that is about 320hp@wheels.
So we can see that the track is the true test of power and not the dyno. The dyno should be used for tuning purposes ONLY and all results gained are only relative to the starting #s the dyno showed.
My Car made 365hp@wheels with an automatic, but yet it ran 11.2@130mph on Nitto drag radials with a crap 1.9 60ft. Vosko, I am not ******* you, but please quit flaming when you don't have a leg to stand on.
BTW, nice attempt at trying to hide your results in the NE RX7 Club forum. We are watching you!
what i see a need for is these useless people to be banned. last time i checked you are not allowed to post a members name in the title. woops maybe you guys should read the rules. i admit i didn't do nearly was well as i had hoped. the car has run 12.0 @ 118 i have video and timeslips to prove it. anytime you guys want to come to NJ and try and race me that is fine 
this was the first time my car has been at the track since november. it has an entire new race clutch setup. i will be back at the track soon when my car is 100%
this was the first time my car has been at the track since november. it has an entire new race clutch setup. i will be back at the track soon when my car is 100%
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Originally posted by vosko
what i see a need for is these useless people to be banned. last time i checked you are not allowed to post a members name in the title. woops maybe you guys should read the rules. i admit i didn't do nearly was well as i had hoped. the car has run 12.0 @ 118 i have video and timeslips to prove it. anytime you guys want to come to NJ and try and race me that is fine
this was the first time my car has been at the track since november. it has an entire new race clutch setup. i will be back at the track soon when my car is 100%
what i see a need for is these useless people to be banned. last time i checked you are not allowed to post a members name in the title. woops maybe you guys should read the rules. i admit i didn't do nearly was well as i had hoped. the car has run 12.0 @ 118 i have video and timeslips to prove it. anytime you guys want to come to NJ and try and race me that is fine
this was the first time my car has been at the track since november. it has an entire new race clutch setup. i will be back at the track soon when my car is 100%
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Originally posted by SERIES7
At the end of the day, some poeple will say that a V8 FD is not an FD and some will say that an FD with an SR20DETT is not an FD, personally, I think I don't care.
We're banded together with one love, fast cars and women, or in some cases, men. We are a community of information sharing brothers and sisters. That's all that matters.
At the end of the day, some poeple will say that a V8 FD is not an FD and some will say that an FD with an SR20DETT is not an FD, personally, I think I don't care.
We're banded together with one love, fast cars and women, or in some cases, men. We are a community of information sharing brothers and sisters. That's all that matters.
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Originally posted by SERIES7
At the end of the day, some poeple will say that a V8 FD is not an FD and some will say that an FD with an SR20DETT is not an FD, personally, I think I don't care.
We're banded together with one love, fast cars and women, or in some cases, men. We are a community of information sharing brothers and sisters. That's all that matters.
At the end of the day, some poeple will say that a V8 FD is not an FD and some will say that an FD with an SR20DETT is not an FD, personally, I think I don't care.
We're banded together with one love, fast cars and women, or in some cases, men. We are a community of information sharing brothers and sisters. That's all that matters.
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If you don't want people on a open, public forum giving their negative opinions on your swap, go to torquecentralk.com. They'll think your car is hot ****. You'll also find guys blowing your "real world" times out of the water for a fraction of what you spent.
Originally posted by tbielobockie
No we won't. I only see a marginal improvement using a tiny piston engine coupled with a turbo over a tiny rotary using a turbo. The tiny piston motor will be more reliable for sure which is my #1 bitch with the rotary. But.... A tiny engine with a big turbo just doesn't belong in a sports car with fast reflexes. It ruins it.
The car has perfect reflexes with razor sharp handling and brakes coupled with an engine that has zero throttle response and a power delivery curve that makes the thing undrivable in any situation that isn't a straight line. Great for a drag racer, not so great for an all around performance car.
Further with the large N/A engines we can run a stock factory powerplant with full emissions and the reliability of a factory car when you guys are running your setups on the edge of disaster.
No we won't. I only see a marginal improvement using a tiny piston engine coupled with a turbo over a tiny rotary using a turbo. The tiny piston motor will be more reliable for sure which is my #1 bitch with the rotary. But.... A tiny engine with a big turbo just doesn't belong in a sports car with fast reflexes. It ruins it.
The car has perfect reflexes with razor sharp handling and brakes coupled with an engine that has zero throttle response and a power delivery curve that makes the thing undrivable in any situation that isn't a straight line. Great for a drag racer, not so great for an all around performance car.
Further with the large N/A engines we can run a stock factory powerplant with full emissions and the reliability of a factory car when you guys are running your setups on the edge of disaster.
you forgot to say what a v8 will do to an rx7
v8 in a rx7, sports car? i think NOT
apparently my car is on the verge of disaster because you say so
if you give a moron a V8 and they don't take care of it or modify it incorrectly they can also destroy that engine. almost all of the cars around here have approx 100k miles. yeah most have had a new engine installed but you need to remember another engine is only $2000 for a fresh reman. this isn't a supra that when you blow the engine the its costs $10k( i am probably wrong on that price, don't quote but its expensive) just because one a few people have had bad luck doesn't mean the engine is doomed forever. i had a friend with a FAST talon TSI guess what it blew only like 4 engines before he sold it. luck is what you make of it
i drove my friends basically stock FD with 94k miles on it(lets just say its been a VERY VERY VERY long time since i have been behind the wheel of a stock FD ).... i can say it is VERY fun to drive handles nice has plenty of power no turbo lag pulls nice, very controllable, also his car is very reliable he drives it everyday and enjoys the car.
i agree a big N/A V8 is great for certain things. i love the one my blazer its good for pulling stuff around it is all original and still going but it is under tuned from the factory and has a 4k rpm redline you need to compare apples to apples instead of apples to pineapple
if you give a moron a V8 and they don't take care of it or modify it incorrectly they can also destroy that engine. almost all of the cars around here have approx 100k miles. yeah most have had a new engine installed but you need to remember another engine is only $2000 for a fresh reman. this isn't a supra that when you blow the engine the its costs $10k( i am probably wrong on that price, don't quote but its expensive) just because one a few people have had bad luck doesn't mean the engine is doomed forever. i had a friend with a FAST talon TSI guess what it blew only like 4 engines before he sold it. luck is what you make of it
i drove my friends basically stock FD with 94k miles on it(lets just say its been a VERY VERY VERY long time since i have been behind the wheel of a stock FD
).... i can say it is VERY fun to drive handles nice has plenty of power no turbo lag pulls nice, very controllable, also his car is very reliable he drives it everyday and enjoys the car. i agree a big N/A V8 is great for certain things. i love the one my blazer its good for pulling stuff around
it is all original and still going but it is under tuned from the factory and has a 4k rpm redline you need to compare apples to apples instead of apples to pineapple
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Originally posted by Kahren
you forgot to say what a v8 will do to an rx7
v8 in a rx7, sports car? i think NOT
you forgot to say what a v8 will do to an rx7
v8 in a rx7, sports car? i think NOT
why would it not be a sports car?
- weight? only ~50lbs heavier than the 13B-REW
- performance? tons more torque, similar top end power
- balance? with weight within 50 lbs, the balance of the car is not upset enough to make a difference
- reliability? no need to even go into this one.
- economy? NA V8 will get better gas milage than a bone stock 13B-REW
... hmm yeah, I don't see anything that qualifies your statement. now you give it a try.
on the thread topic: I think the results of the Nissan motor are pretty interesting and impressive, but I agree with the turbo-lag argument & that a super laggy engine shouldn't be in a well rounded sports car. That said, is this particular SR20 very laggy? Any power below 3500 rpm?
Last edited by BrianK; Apr 7, 2003 at 05:07 PM.
Originally posted by vosko
apparently my car is on the verge of disaster because you say so
if you give a moron a V8 and they don't take care of it or modify it incorrectly they can also destroy that engine. almost all of the cars around here have approx 100k miles. yeah most have had a new engine installed but you need to remember another engine is only $2000 for a fresh reman. this isn't a supra that when you blow the engine the its costs $10k( i am probably wrong on that price, don't quote but its expensive) just because one a few people have had bad luck doesn't mean the engine is doomed forever. i had a friend with a FAST talon TSI guess what it blew only like 4 engines before he sold it. luck is what you make of it
i drove my friends basically stock FD with 94k miles on it(lets just say its been a VERY VERY VERY long time since i have been behind the wheel of a stock FD ).... i can say it is VERY fun to drive handles nice has plenty of power no turbo lag pulls nice, very controllable, also his car is very reliable he drives it everyday and enjoys the car.
i agree a big N/A V8 is great for certain things. i love the one my blazer its good for pulling stuff around it is all original and still going but it is under tuned from the factory and has a 4k rpm redline you need to compare apples to apples instead of apples to pineapple
apparently my car is on the verge of disaster because you say so
if you give a moron a V8 and they don't take care of it or modify it incorrectly they can also destroy that engine. almost all of the cars around here have approx 100k miles. yeah most have had a new engine installed but you need to remember another engine is only $2000 for a fresh reman. this isn't a supra that when you blow the engine the its costs $10k( i am probably wrong on that price, don't quote but its expensive) just because one a few people have had bad luck doesn't mean the engine is doomed forever. i had a friend with a FAST talon TSI guess what it blew only like 4 engines before he sold it. luck is what you make of it
i drove my friends basically stock FD with 94k miles on it(lets just say its been a VERY VERY VERY long time since i have been behind the wheel of a stock FD
).... i can say it is VERY fun to drive handles nice has plenty of power no turbo lag pulls nice, very controllable, also his car is very reliable he drives it everyday and enjoys the car. i agree a big N/A V8 is great for certain things. i love the one my blazer its good for pulling stuff around
it is all original and still going but it is under tuned from the factory and has a 4k rpm redline you need to compare apples to apples instead of apples to pineapple
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You may be quite surprised at the torque potential of the little piston popper, especially with a 4.10 gear. I am impressed with the amount of low end torque and extreme driveability of a H23 honda with an FMAX T3/T4 turbo system that I have. Power by 2500 rpm. Compare it to the street ported 13b non sequential rotary that I have, it feels like a freight train below the rotarys 4000 rpm burst. Now on the other hand the 2 LS1 RX7s (one TII and one FD) are by far the easiest and friendly to drive. No clutch slipping or power band, just good even power, from a stock engine. Every car is fun in itself, although I worry more about hurting the 13b than any other engine, even though it has 3mm seals. 12.0 @130 is moving for anything. Dont knock the 4cyl under boost till you try it, it can make some great low end torque.
the stock sequntial system rx7 has plently of power down low, with a few mods the heat issue can be adressed and the car can be made more realible, only because 90% of the people here donno how a rotary works and cant tune it doesnt mean u have to go get a v8. i mean why not just buy a vette, its cheaper, and it already comes with a nice v8 and its still a FAST car? and u havent even doen anythign to it
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I am sorry I posted your name in the title and was not trying to break any rules. I saw the last thread was locked and I apologize for comparing you to a Dukes of Hazard character, hence name calling. However, I hope the moderator will agree that if flaming of our setup is allowed then rebutting your claims of 450+hp@wheels is also allowed. There should be no double standards especially since the car in question is an RX7. As far as the contribution there are several. The viability of swapping an SR20DET into an RX7 and results obtained. Also, Ari's 300M axles rock as well as the KaaZ LSD coupled with ET streets which netted us a best of a 1.6 60ft. I don't see why you think we(TNTand I) should be banned for calling you out when your 450+wheel hp car ran 111mph and 118mph. The 118 run shows about 355hp@wheels. At the end of the day Vosko I always have a smile on my face and do not take this to heart, nor should you.
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Originally posted by Kahren
the stock sequntial system rx7 has plently of power down low, with a few mods the heat issue can be adressed and the car can be made more realible, only because 90% of the people here donno how a rotary works and cant tune it doesnt mean u have to go get a v8. i mean why not just buy a vette, its cheaper, and it already comes with a nice v8 and its still a FAST car? and u havent even doen anythign to it
the stock sequntial system rx7 has plently of power down low, with a few mods the heat issue can be adressed and the car can be made more realible, only because 90% of the people here donno how a rotary works and cant tune it doesnt mean u have to go get a v8. i mean why not just buy a vette, its cheaper, and it already comes with a nice v8 and its still a FAST car? and u havent even doen anythign to it
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thats it, swap the damn 13B motor. its a piece of **** we all know that. put in a 20B get *** loads of TQ(compared to a 13B) and have fun. v8/sr20/2jz never in my car. then again, i dont drag race i like twisties. even if they are about the same weight, it takes away from what an RX7 is. hell why hasnt mazda thought about a v8 in an rx7. we should all right a letter to them. maybe even a tag team between mazda and nissan. we can mold the Z32 in with the FD. now that would be nice AND UGLY
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get *** loads of TQ(compared to a 13B) and have fun. v8/sr20/2jz never in my car. then again, i dont drag race i like twisties. even if they are about the same weight, it takes away from what an RX7 is. hell why hasnt mazda thought about a v8 in an rx7. we should all right a letter to them. maybe even a tag team between mazda and nissan. we can mold the Z32 in with the FD. now that would be nice AND UGLYkris
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