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Old Aug 11, 2006 | 06:18 AM
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Sport Compact Car Sept. issue

There is a pretty good article on the V-8 LS-1 powered RX-7.But Duy Le.He goes up against Calvin Wan's RX-7 and a Chevy Camaro SS.I'm going to read through it now.
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Old Aug 11, 2006 | 06:23 AM
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Sept. issure of Modified Mag is even better. It has a 5 page right up on a red 93 touring that isn't a bastard like the one in SCC.
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Old Aug 11, 2006 | 06:52 AM
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cool ill try to get a copy of that one.
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Old Aug 11, 2006 | 07:08 AM
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Yea, I sent SCC an email expressing my opinion on their statement in the last paragraph that they thought the LS1 would have won if it had better tires.
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Old Aug 11, 2006 | 07:25 AM
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And that would be what, exactly?
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Old Aug 11, 2006 | 07:32 AM
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And that would be what, exactly?
That the writers at scc are a bunch of buffoons who are unfairly biased against the rotary
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Old Aug 11, 2006 | 08:09 AM
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I actually enjoyed the article, but it didn't mean anything to me. You have two highly modified cars, and a potato, where's the challenge? There is no king of the hill in my book. How can you determine one is better than the other when there is no baseline to compare to?
Aside from the fact they charted out turn speeds and corner times, it was neat to see an RX-7 still being touted as a good platform for fun.

I think they should have had a perfect running condition bone stock FD out there to run as a base line. I think because The Streets of Willow is such a small and tight course that the stock turbos would have been right at home and could yield some nice times.
But where would they find a perfect running condition bone stock FD, does such a thing still exist?
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Old Aug 11, 2006 | 08:31 AM
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And that would be what, exactly?
You're a national car magazine and you are doing a test to try to prove one car over another. At the end of the test one of them is proven faster. It's pretty lame to say "well the other one WOULD have won if it had this or that." That's bullshit journalism.
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Old Aug 11, 2006 | 08:36 AM
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That the writers at scc are a bunch of buffoons who are unfairly biased against the rotary
What? Just because they blew up their project FD like a thousand times? Come on.
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Old Aug 11, 2006 | 08:38 AM
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Originally Posted by GoodfellaFD3S
That the writers at scc are a bunch of buffoons who are unfairly biased against the rotary
SCC is biased aginst Mazda in general. Have you ever seen some of the Probes and MX-6's they've had in there? They put this one Probe in a couple years ago that had a fart can exhaust, stock laser red body, bomex fire engine red front bumper cover and what looked to be a 2" lift kit...freaking horrendous saying that's the best the MX6/Probe community has to offer.
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Old Aug 11, 2006 | 09:02 AM
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SCC used to be a good mag...until about 2 years ago. Thats when things went down hill. But look on the bright side, at least it isnt Super Street.

As for that article, it would have been a good comparison had both cars been on a spec tire, which IMO should be manditory for ANY automotive comparison that takes handling into account.

I mean, a stock FD on R compound tires would beat an Enzo at any handling competition if the Enzo was on POS MasterCrafts or something similar. That does not mean the FD is a better handling car though.

Beyond that, common sense would say that yes, given all other variables being equal, the LS1 would have won. Same handling potential, same horse power, better torque curve.
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Old Aug 11, 2006 | 09:17 AM
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well put FORSAKEN

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As for that article, it would have been a good comparison had both cars been on a spec tire, which IMO should be manditory for ANY automotive comparison that takes handling into account.

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Old Aug 11, 2006 | 09:47 AM
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this is some good reading

http://www.sportcompactcarweb.com/projectcars/

also, where did you read that they blew up their project car "like a thousand times"
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Old Aug 11, 2006 | 10:18 AM
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taken from the link that 21K95RX7 posted:

"Is dumping over $20,000 worth of performance upgrades on a quirky, rotary-powered sports car a defining act of sheer stupidity? It certainly is if you're looking for a clever financial investment. However, if your only goal is to drive a car that can ignite the fuse on the back of your primitive, endorphin-producing cerebral lobe while out-performing nearly anything on the road or race track, your hard-earned money couldn't be better spent."

seems to me like they like our mazda there? :P
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Old Aug 11, 2006 | 10:23 AM
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I haven't thought much of them since they disrespected my boy Tim Benton many years ago. I remember the good old days when Turbo and SCC were the best of the best. Hands on rotary rebuilding, rotary powered muscle cars, not all the rice and fluff and filler crap with a 80% being ads like they are now.
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Old Aug 11, 2006 | 10:32 AM
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It's interesting how they make excuses for the v8 car but god forbid that rotary powerecd car would have been at a disadvantage - they would have bashed it.

If I recall correctly, they went through 2 or 3 rotary motors and never gave full write-ups. Not thousands.

It would be pretty hard to find a perfect running stock car of any kind that is 13-14 years old. Makes me laugh to think of a GM F-body car with 13-14 years under its belt.

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I haven't thought much of them since they disrespected my boy Tim Benton many years ago. I remember the good old days when Turbo and SCC were the best of the best. Hands on rotary rebuilding, rotary powered muscle cars, not all the rice and fluff and filler crap with a 80% being ads like they are now.
what did they do to Timmy? Many years back (2001?) they put my FD in readers rides and proceeded to list all of my mods, then make fun of me for having stock wheels. Looks like I got the last laugh, scc ********
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Old Aug 11, 2006 | 10:38 AM
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Originally Posted by 21K95RX7
this is some good reading

http://www.sportcompactcarweb.com/projectcars/

also, where did you read that they blew up their project car "like a thousand times"
in one issue they had a project car update where they rehashed how they blew an engine on the track when they drove it with less than 1/4 tank (fuel starvation they said) and then how it started eating coolant with the next engine. that was when they decided to visit pettit or rx7.com or someone for help. this was at least a couple years back.
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Old Aug 11, 2006 | 10:44 AM
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Originally Posted by 93VRTouring
SCC is biased aginst Mazda in general. Have you ever seen some of the Probes and MX-6's they've had in there? They put this one Probe in a couple years ago that had a fart can exhaust, stock laser red body, bomex fire engine red front bumper cover and what looked to be a 2" lift kit...freaking horrendous saying that's the best the MX6/Probe community has to offer.
Well they over-looked mine and hundreds more...
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Old Aug 11, 2006 | 11:03 AM
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I'd overlook all of them. Probes suck ***, for numerous reasons.
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Old Aug 11, 2006 | 11:08 AM
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i agree
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i agree
What are you doing out at Hood? I was stationed out there with 1st cav for many years, I used to terrorize all the shitty mustangs with my FD
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Old Aug 11, 2006 | 12:03 PM
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Originally Posted by the_glass_man
I haven't thought much of them since they disrespected my boy Tim Benton many years ago. I remember the good old days when Turbo and SCC were the best of the best. Hands on rotary rebuilding, rotary powered muscle cars, not all the rice and fluff and filler crap with a 80% being ads like they are now.
I definately agree that these mags have gone to the toilet. I used to collect SCC, Turbo, ect on a regular. I've since grown up and decided not to spend my hard earned money on **** mags with some cars in them. Besides, the articles suck *** and there are hardly any rotaries in these mags.
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Old Aug 11, 2006 | 12:07 PM
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The way they went about that test is a testament to their idiocy. I don't think they have much education under their belts, and it shows.
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Old Aug 11, 2006 | 12:21 PM
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i agree that the article writing isn't great. It seems that they pretty much follow a formula to writing a article, and fill it with cliche's hmmmm sounds like rap videos lots of half naked woman, liquor and fast cars
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