are you joking? that article sucked ***... freaking waste of my time and money.

basically ended up that after all of these comparisons that they did. Never mattered because of the lower caliber tire that ls1 used. What a crock of ****, talk about dropping the ball. That article should had never been printed.

Edit-nevermind I should had read your response a little further down.

 

Here ya go. I'm sure this is what you actually meant.

 

No, they really do suck ***. Its a Mazda relabled as a Ford, on the same performance level as a Civic.

 

It's funny how most of this thread is discussing how the magazines are biased against the RX-7, and then the Probe bashing starts. Shows some real maturity there boy.

 

They actually have events for Probe owners? That's just amazing!

On a different note: I never understood the psychology behing SCC's ( or any other for that matter) articles. If you're going to do any article on something, keep it factual and give credit where credit is due, not the opinion of some fat slob with a pen in his hand.

Joe

 

actually, they have an enormous one at myrtle every year

http://www.myrtlemadness.net/

Probes don't suck, they are good FF sport compact cars, what's to complain about a car that weighs as much as an FD, has the same rim size as an FD, looks very similar to an FD...Take it for what it is, a nice, sporty FF sport compact V6(or turbo 4, depending on your flavor)

 

How this turned into a Probe thread, I'll never know. Originally the Probe was suppose to be the new Mustang, but the Mustang faithful wouldn't accept a FWD car.
I will say - the Datsun 510 Rally article in the same SCC magazine was amusing and well written. Reminiscent of a R&T article.

 

that's easy, I am a PGT fan and when goodfellas said that SCC hates rotaries, I corrected him and said that SCC hates mazdas, cause it pretty much seems like they do, sorry for the thread jack..

[/thread jack]

 

Looks similar to an FD??? Are you kidding me! I would never mistake a Probe for an FD!

 

All I can say is WHAT THE **** to the probe similar to FD statement.

Everything of what you claim the probe to be doesn't mean worth a ****. The probe is a ******' shittiest piece of **** out there.

Shouldn't even mention Probe and FD in the same sentence.

 

That's even more amazing

 

Like I said in the other thread about this same topic, why didn't they just swap the wheels? Do they not have a lug wrench or a jack?

And Probes suck.

 

Everyone who is bashing the Probe has probably never owned one, so that goes to show there are more biased hypercrites than most realize. I'm not saying it compares in any way to my FD, but for what it is, it is probably one of the best FWD of it's day. I can't count the number of people that said the RX 7 sucks, but it's cool because I know they've never owned one and only talk from hearsay... I guess most of you fall in that catagory as well.

 

I've owned one for 10 years, so please tell me something I don't know and the performance level is that of the Type R.

Here's some info for you, the 93 RX 7 and 93 PGT both received Motortrend car of the year (import and sport compact, respectively)

 

Alright fellas, why don't we stop the flame war before the thread gets locked and posts get deleted? Do we think we can accomplish that?

 

I have a question for the v-8 RX-7 owner since Duy is on here. In the SCC article, they dynoed it at 347rwhp, but in a new Max Power, it says it has 380. I didn't notice any parts difference so I was wondering where the difference comes in?

I'm with David in that since they printed my edited letters a few years ago, I haven't picked up but maybe 3 or 4 issues in that time span. Granted thats about how many issues had worthwhile rotary content. It all worked out in the end since Primedia, the parent company that owns SCC, Turbo, Superstreet and import tuner has been on the decline in recent years. SCC is half the page size now compared to the 300 paegs it was putting out with the Shiv's M2 powered RX-7 project car a few years ago.

I also have to go with Don on the PGT. Granted it's for sentimental reason in that it was my first sports coupe that I started modding. Sold it to a close friend so I could get my FD back in late 94. He in turn modded it some more, making it his own car. I really enjoyed that car.

Tim

 

I for one only lock threads that contain personal attacks, non-technical discussions, or threads that will no doubt attract that kind of response.

I don't see anything here out of line, except that this thread might not be quite 3rd gen specific.

 

Haven't seen either article, but if Max Power actually dynoed the car and it was done on a different dyno, that could easily explain the difference...
Not defending these magazines, but it's not really Primedia as much as it is the increased competition in the marketplace and tapering off of the import craze resulting in less ad pages. Any newsstand book's overall package size (number of pages/how thick it is) is dependent on the number of ad pages that are sold for the issue. All U.S. magazines depend on advertising sales for the vast majority of their revenue, and the ratio of ad to edit (actual stories) is usually 50/50 at best, with ads in the thicker magazines often outnumbering the edit pages by a 60/40 ratio.

I also think that some of these magazines are suffering the effects of catering toward the lowest common denominator in an effort to increase sales. Slamming out "cookie cutter" stories about any and all flashy custom cars draped with scantily-clad women and printing all manner of performance claims without any testing or research might appeal to a particular audience, but that audience often isn't that permanent.

That said, Primedia definitely has some serious boneheads in senior management who don't have the faintest idea about magazine publishing. Battling with their idiocy is a constant battle...

 

Power aside what I thought was amazing the fact the LS1 RX-7 had nearly the same weight on all four tires. With proper tuning that has to improve the handling.

LS1
Front L 688 R 678
Rear L 696 R 677
13B
Front L 711 R 595
Rear L 650 R 700

 

Very true about the growth of competition in the import magazine arena. Modified being a decent magazine, then throw in HCI and I'm sure others can add the name of a magazine they've enjoyed as well. You might be right for the hp descrepancy as well. Different dyno type might account for the number. Maybe Duy will chime in on it.

Anyone care to take a guess at the reason for the corner weights of the FD. I don't know if Calvin's car had a small battery or not or if it was moved to the rear bins.

Tim

 

Are you comparing a modified and tuned suspension on the ls1 fd to a stock suspension fd, because that would be silly to do.

 

Yeah, seriously. I see two suspensions, both with close to 50/50 balance. One is corner balanced, the other is not. If anything, it shows the LSx can match the FDs setup.

 

damn i know im late but that FD looks like a probe **** waz funny as hell...