So you trust your engine builder huh?
10-18-07, 12:02 PM
#54
Originally Posted by ptrhahn
It's this sort of thing that feeds the "FD's are unrealiable" hysteria. Reality is, they're not nearly as unrealiable as they are poorly built/cared for.... but the car, and good builders, all suffer from this sort of stuff.
Originally Posted by Jason
I find it hard to believe the motor would run 3k miles in that condition.
Originally Posted by cewrx7r1
an engine with over 35000 miles of making over 350+ WHP and still in great condition.
I tend to agree with the fact that if you have no solid proof that X shop is responsible putting a name out there is stupid. Who knows what happened to that engine or if that engine was truly built by that shop. It's just hearsay.
10-18-07, 01:25 PM
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I am more interested in how they responded when you gave them the chance to make things right. Every builder who does a volume of business has the opportunity to screw up and eventually will. This mistake seems pretty rediculous but maybe they learned their wife was cheating on them that day, or their kid contracted cancer, and really weren't paying any attention whatsoever. More likely, they let an apprentice do the assembly unsupervised. Who knows? Big mistake, small mistake...whatever. The mark of a good shop is that they are prepared to discuss the problem, accept that it is possible they made a mistake and offer to take care of it if that proves to be the case. There is still a lot of room for he-said-she-said stuff, but something like this seems pretty cut-and-dry. If they refuse to accept blame and can't give a reasonable explanation, then I think it is fair to say who it is. If they want to inspect it first, that's their perogative under most warrantees, but it's pretty hard to explain those missing bolts.
10-18-07, 04:24 PM
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10-18-07, 04:43 PM
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If the shop who made the mistake would own up to it and make it right, it would actually improve their image to me. Everyone makes mistakes, but not everyone will stand up for their work.
10-18-07, 08:53 PM
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Jonathan wants to post and answer some of these questions but he can't log in. Maybe he's suspended or banned. Can anyone (admin) let us know for sure?
10-19-07, 06:54 AM
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Also, this is another reason why I've started documenting rebuilds for customers of mine, as have a couple of other builders I know of. If there ever were a question of what the porting looked like, or what the parts condition or cleanliness was, it would be put down very quickly this way. It protects buoth parties, the customer AND the builder, from unnecessary bullshit.
10-19-07, 03:31 PM
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Can you tell me where the Everlasting Gobstoppers go in the engine? Also, what kind of performance increase do you see when they are installed? I don't think mine has them!
If your wondering what I'm talking about look at the pic below.
http://www.rotaryresurrection.com/kl...s/DSCF2858.JPG
If your wondering what I'm talking about look at the pic below.
http://www.rotaryresurrection.com/kl...s/DSCF2858.JPG
10-19-07, 06:20 PM
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We have a car in the shop right now from North Hills, CA, that we are rebuilding and shipping back.
The more I thought about this "mishap" the more disgusted I got. Leaving those 6 bolts out is just incredible. We lay out all the components for the build on carts and benches (as I figured most builders would), at the end on the build there are not any parts left over. Those six bolts cannot be mistaken for any other bolt on the engine. The builder should have seen the extra hardware and known immediately where they belong. I do not care if "his wife is cheating on him" this is inexcuseable.
The more I thought about this "mishap" the more disgusted I got. Leaving those 6 bolts out is just incredible. We lay out all the components for the build on carts and benches (as I figured most builders would), at the end on the build there are not any parts left over. Those six bolts cannot be mistaken for any other bolt on the engine. The builder should have seen the extra hardware and known immediately where they belong. I do not care if "his wife is cheating on him" this is inexcuseable.
10-19-07, 06:26 PM
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We have a car in the shop right now from North Hills, CA, that we are rebuilding and shipping back.
The more I thought about this "mishap" the more disgusted I got. Leaving those 6 bolts out is just incredible. We lay out all the components for the build on carts and benches (as I figured most builders would), at the end on the build there are not any parts left over. Those six bolts cannot be mistaken for any other bolt on the engine. The builder should have seen the extra hardware and known immediately where they belong. I do not care if "his wife is cheating on him" this is inexcuseable.
The more I thought about this "mishap" the more disgusted I got. Leaving those 6 bolts out is just incredible. We lay out all the components for the build on carts and benches (as I figured most builders would), at the end on the build there are not any parts left over. Those six bolts cannot be mistaken for any other bolt on the engine. The builder should have seen the extra hardware and known immediately where they belong. I do not care if "his wife is cheating on him" this is inexcuseable.
10-19-07, 07:44 PM
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We have a car in the shop right now from North Hills, CA, that we are rebuilding and shipping back.
The more I thought about this "mishap" the more disgusted I got. Leaving those 6 bolts out is just incredible. We lay out all the components for the build on carts and benches (as I figured most builders would), at the end on the build there are not any parts left over. Those six bolts cannot be mistaken for any other bolt on the engine. The builder should have seen the extra hardware and known immediately where they belong. I do not care if "his wife is cheating on him" this is inexcuseable.
The more I thought about this "mishap" the more disgusted I got. Leaving those 6 bolts out is just incredible. We lay out all the components for the build on carts and benches (as I figured most builders would), at the end on the build there are not any parts left over. Those six bolts cannot be mistaken for any other bolt on the engine. The builder should have seen the extra hardware and known immediately where they belong. I do not care if "his wife is cheating on him" this is inexcuseable.
Yes it was a dumb mistake, but if this was done by a shop that does a lot of builds then **** will happen.
10-19-07, 10:25 PM
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well to answer this post I'll tell you I bought the car from a guy 1200mi, flew there drove the car back home and then drove it for another 1500mi around town before it let go....
10-20-07, 04:57 AM
#74
Banzai Racing
Leaving parts out of an engine is incompetence, not a mistake. It does not matter how many engines a company builds, you have a procedure. The more engines you build the less any mistakes should happen. A first time DIY builder might leave these bolts out as a mistake, however "one of the most well known rotary company's in the USA" should know how to assemble a shortblock without leaving any parts out, if not then they should not be building engines.
It is called Quality Control.
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10-20-07, 10:25 AM
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Alot of the big engine builders do have mistakes here and there but the fact that there getting your money & your service. so they should be making sure you get there moneys worth. if not then there robbing your business
I had the same problem with a engine builder in canada (wont say either) on a half bridge, the motor was with used parts, the car lasted 2 weeks after the tune.
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