S5 Hybrid Turbo Conversion on FD
07-19-13, 01:36 PM
#1
S5 Hybrid Turbo Conversion on FD
Hello Fellow members,
First off I want to say that I'm not in my right mind. But Its ok at least I have paperwork that shows I'm a little crazy. I rather have documents to prove I'm crazy then going around my business never knowing. While society is laughing right behind my back.
Well I feel better! Now back to the conversion... I've been using my FD as a daily driver for the last 5 months and I love my car. But hate when the car loses boost and the heat those twins produce. I've been doing a lot of research on single turbo conversions and from every angle you look at it, its expensive. But Thankfully I found a way that I can do it on a budget (Not Cheap). I got a hella deal on a S5 turbo hybrid with ported waste gate and custom manifold not factory! Started this project about 2 weeks ago and having great progress as we speak. Since my Car was completely stock I wanted to upgrade all around for HP purposes. Keep in mind I want simplicity with No boost issues. These are parts that I purchased for my small project.
-S5 Turbo Hybrid with ported waste gate (12.5)psi Turbo Blanket
-Custom turbo manifold
-Custom Downpipe 3" Heat wrap
-PFS Exhaust 3"
-3" SS mid pipe
-Pettit 2 Intercooler with Duct SMIC Older style
-50 MM Tial BOV
-Rare Micro tech LT8 Plug and play ECU
-LM-2 Wideband
-KOYO N FLOW
-Mishimoto silicone hoses
-BLOCK OFF PLATES
Now my question is the fuel system As I stated this car was bone stock. I'm not sure which way I should approach it that will be simple and support up to 350hp. I hear the 1300cc secondary are not reliable due to being modified. If I change my rail then Ill need 1600cc injectors ,Rail, FPR, fittings. Regardless I do need a better fuel pump which I haven't decided which one to use.
Has anyone done this swap on a fd?
What Fuel pump do you recommend?
What Should I do about Rail Injectors and FPR?
Just need opinions and thoughts................thanks in advance
First off I want to say that I'm not in my right mind. But Its ok at least I have paperwork that shows I'm a little crazy. I rather have documents to prove I'm crazy then going around my business never knowing. While society is laughing right behind my back.
Well I feel better! Now back to the conversion... I've been using my FD as a daily driver for the last 5 months and I love my car. But hate when the car loses boost and the heat those twins produce. I've been doing a lot of research on single turbo conversions and from every angle you look at it, its expensive. But Thankfully I found a way that I can do it on a budget (Not Cheap). I got a hella deal on a S5 turbo hybrid with ported waste gate and custom manifold not factory! Started this project about 2 weeks ago and having great progress as we speak. Since my Car was completely stock I wanted to upgrade all around for HP purposes. Keep in mind I want simplicity with No boost issues. These are parts that I purchased for my small project.-S5 Turbo Hybrid with ported waste gate (12.5)psi Turbo Blanket
-Custom turbo manifold
-Custom Downpipe 3" Heat wrap
-PFS Exhaust 3"
-3" SS mid pipe
-Pettit 2 Intercooler with Duct SMIC Older style
-50 MM Tial BOV
-Rare Micro tech LT8 Plug and play ECU
-LM-2 Wideband
-KOYO N FLOW
-Mishimoto silicone hoses
-BLOCK OFF PLATES
Now my question is the fuel system As I stated this car was bone stock. I'm not sure which way I should approach it that will be simple and support up to 350hp. I hear the 1300cc secondary are not reliable due to being modified. If I change my rail then Ill need 1600cc injectors ,Rail, FPR, fittings. Regardless I do need a better fuel pump which I haven't decided which one to use.
Has anyone done this swap on a fd?
What Fuel pump do you recommend?
What Should I do about Rail Injectors and FPR?
Just need opinions and thoughts................thanks in advance
07-19-13, 03:01 PM
#2
RX-7 Bad Ass
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First off, you need to get some pics up of that setup. And, I'm interested to hear what numbers you end up with!
1300cc secondaries are a good way to go. I run them and many others do, for what you're doing and the HP level you're looking at that will be fine. Pair that with a good fuel pump and a fuel pump rewire and you'll have all the fuel you need.
Dale
1300cc secondaries are a good way to go. I run them and many others do, for what you're doing and the HP level you're looking at that will be fine. Pair that with a good fuel pump and a fuel pump rewire and you'll have all the fuel you need.
Dale
07-19-13, 03:26 PM
#3
First off, you need to get some pics up of that setup. And, I'm interested to hear what numbers you end up with!
1300cc secondaries are a good way to go. I run them and many others do, for what you're doing and the HP level you're looking at that will be fine. Pair that with a good fuel pump and a fuel pump rewire and you'll have all the fuel you need.
Dale
1300cc secondaries are a good way to go. I run them and many others do, for what you're doing and the HP level you're looking at that will be fine. Pair that with a good fuel pump and a fuel pump rewire and you'll have all the fuel you need.
Dale
Dale,
I'll work on those picture. There is really not much write-ups on this subject which surprises me. But on a second thought people usually take the twins off for bigger and better stuff. Not just simplicity!
-1300cc secondary's
-Good In tank Fuel Pump
-Fuel pump Rewire
If the 1300cc are as good as you say I might have to go this route. I'm leaning to a Walbro 255 as for pump but really like the Aeromotive Stealth but looks like a overkill for my setup. The supras are good but twice as much as the Walbro. I really just want to buy what I need nothing to overkill if that make sense. When all said and done I will be taking the car to do fine tuning myself.
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07-20-13, 12:32 AM
#10
talking head
looks like a very decent highflow,, wondering if you have pics of the rear or some specs// its a big ask for 350 out of any highflow but some of the 60-1 versions can get close if attention is paid to the turbine wheel and wastegate selections as to minimise the backpressure issues
// i think you may have to eventually go external gate on this manifold to get best control out of the turbo
i do expect it may have a fair bit more through the spot where twins crossover but be marginally flatter down low than fully optimised twin setups
// though is infinitely simpler and that is a very good thing
// i think you may have to eventually go external gate on this manifold to get best control out of the turbo
i do expect it may have a fair bit more through the spot where twins crossover but be marginally flatter down low than fully optimised twin setups
// though is infinitely simpler and that is a very good thing
07-20-13, 01:27 AM
#11
looks like a very decent highflow,, wondering if you have pics of the rear or some specs// its a big ask for 350 out of any highflow but some of the 60-1 versions can get close if attention is paid to the turbine wheel and wastegate selections as to minimise the backpressure issues
// i think you may have to eventually go external gate on this manifold to get best control out of the turbo
i do expect it may have a fair bit more through the spot where twins crossover but be marginally flatter down low than fully optimised twin setups
// though is infinitely simpler and that is a very good thing
// i think you may have to eventually go external gate on this manifold to get best control out of the turbo
i do expect it may have a fair bit more through the spot where twins crossover but be marginally flatter down low than fully optimised twin setups
// though is infinitely simpler and that is a very good thing
Last edited by Samito Built; 07-20-13 at 01:29 AM.
07-20-13, 06:20 AM
#12
It seems like the sweet spot for S5 hybrids is sort of 'medium sized' ones. A typical FC with stock S5 turbo does around 230-250rwhp max. The really small upgrades, like the old Knightsports and BNR stage 1, seem to do high 200s to the wheels, maybe 300 max. The biggest ones push the S5 turbine housing to the limit and tend to be pretty laggy, but have been achieving high 300s. I think mid 300s is possible, but I'm not sure whether OP's combination of wheels will work to meet that goal.
07-20-13, 09:36 AM
#14
It seems like the sweet spot for S5 hybrids is sort of 'medium sized' ones. A typical FC with stock S5 turbo does around 230-250rwhp max. The really small upgrades, like the old Knightsports and BNR stage 1, seem to do high 200s to the wheels, maybe 300 max. The biggest ones push the S5 turbine housing to the limit and tend to be pretty laggy, but have been achieving high 300s. I think mid 300s is possible, but I'm not sure whether OP's combination of wheels will work to meet that goal.
07-22-13, 11:50 AM
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I doubt the s5 turbo will make more hp then the twins or be more responsive. There was a guy I met at forged a couple years ago he had done this conversion and made around 240hp. Not sure what boost or type of s5 turbo though.
I ran 1300cc injectors in my twin fd and was hitting 90% injector duty cycle on 14#s on stock twins, but the injectors never gave me issues. I would run the supra pump it is the exact same as the stock but just flows more. If you want it cheap run a walbaro with the fd kit.
I ran 1300cc injectors in my twin fd and was hitting 90% injector duty cycle on 14#s on stock twins, but the injectors never gave me issues. I would run the supra pump it is the exact same as the stock but just flows more. If you want it cheap run a walbaro with the fd kit.
07-24-13, 12:44 AM
#18
I doubt the s5 turbo will make more hp then the twins or be more responsive. There was a guy I met at forged a couple years ago he had done this conversion and made around 240hp. Not sure what boost or type of s5 turbo though.
I ran 1300cc injectors in my twin fd and was hitting 90% injector duty cycle on 14#s on stock twins, but the injectors never gave me issues. I would run the supra pump it is the exact same as the stock but just flows more. If you want it cheap run a walbaro with the fd kit.
I ran 1300cc injectors in my twin fd and was hitting 90% injector duty cycle on 14#s on stock twins, but the injectors never gave me issues. I would run the supra pump it is the exact same as the stock but just flows more. If you want it cheap run a walbaro with the fd kit.
