RE Amemiya V-Mount?
01-22-03, 11:50 PM
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What chuck has just said makes a lot of sense. I would have to agree that V-mount intercoolers are more efficient than SMIC. lot of japanese cars are using them now, even panspeed and other japanese tuners are creatng their own V-mount set up for racing so that they can get more airflow to both the radiator and the intercooler.
01-22-03, 11:58 PM
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Originally posted by rotaryextreme
Hello Kevin, I guess you are done moving. How do you like the new house? =)
Anyway, The core I am using for my V-mount is a Spearco new tube and fin core. It flows 935 CFM at 1.5 psi pressure drop. I understand the intercooler concept. It can flow more but the pressure drop will be higher. All the testing data on the Spearco intercoolers are referenced with the 1.5 psi pressure drop. I have the new Spearco catalog. If you don't know the exact flow rate at 1.5 pressure drop of your core, I can look it up for you. I can scan the flow chart and post it for you too. My core is the 3-101.
V mount IC works better than the stock mount IC with the stock size duct simply because it has more air exposure. Why does FMIC performs better than a SMIC on cooling? Simply because it has more air exposure. It's the same idea.
You can still use the underpanel with the V mount. I will find time to take a pic of it sometime this week.
V mount IC will work better with a vented hood because the vent is right above it. On the stock mount IC, the hot air will disperse in all directions. The hot air going out of the vent will be less for sure.
Another advantage of the v mount is that the hot air from the radiator is blowing to the bottom of the car, not directly toward the IC. The IC should be heat soaked less.
The V mount is a compromise between the stock mount IC and a FMIC. While stock mount IC has more air going through the radiator, the air going through the IC is limited by the opening of the intercooler duct. While FMIC has full air blowing through the IC, the radiator is getting the heated air from it. The amount of air flowing through the nose is limited by the opening of it. You will have to distribute the air between that going through the radiator and that going through the intercooler. The intercooler should take less air to achieve the cooling effect simply because air has much smaller heat capacity coefficient than water. So how we distribute the air flow determines the best set up. If you can prove that more air flowing through the SMIC will not increase the cooling effect of it, a V Mount will not be necessary even though it gets more air flow. If that's the case, a FMIC will not cool better than a SMIC either, even though FMIC gets more air through the IC. It has been proven by the users that a FMIC does cool better than a SMIC so that VMIC that gets more air flow through the IC should cool better as well, assuming the size of the IC is the same on all of them.
Chuck Huang
Hello Kevin, I guess you are done moving. How do you like the new house? =)
Anyway, The core I am using for my V-mount is a Spearco new tube and fin core. It flows 935 CFM at 1.5 psi pressure drop. I understand the intercooler concept. It can flow more but the pressure drop will be higher. All the testing data on the Spearco intercoolers are referenced with the 1.5 psi pressure drop. I have the new Spearco catalog. If you don't know the exact flow rate at 1.5 pressure drop of your core, I can look it up for you. I can scan the flow chart and post it for you too. My core is the 3-101.
V mount IC works better than the stock mount IC with the stock size duct simply because it has more air exposure. Why does FMIC performs better than a SMIC on cooling? Simply because it has more air exposure. It's the same idea.
You can still use the underpanel with the V mount. I will find time to take a pic of it sometime this week.
V mount IC will work better with a vented hood because the vent is right above it. On the stock mount IC, the hot air will disperse in all directions. The hot air going out of the vent will be less for sure.
Another advantage of the v mount is that the hot air from the radiator is blowing to the bottom of the car, not directly toward the IC. The IC should be heat soaked less.
The V mount is a compromise between the stock mount IC and a FMIC. While stock mount IC has more air going through the radiator, the air going through the IC is limited by the opening of the intercooler duct. While FMIC has full air blowing through the IC, the radiator is getting the heated air from it. The amount of air flowing through the nose is limited by the opening of it. You will have to distribute the air between that going through the radiator and that going through the intercooler. The intercooler should take less air to achieve the cooling effect simply because air has much smaller heat capacity coefficient than water. So how we distribute the air flow determines the best set up. If you can prove that more air flowing through the SMIC will not increase the cooling effect of it, a V Mount will not be necessary even though it gets more air flow. If that's the case, a FMIC will not cool better than a SMIC either, even though FMIC gets more air through the IC. It has been proven by the users that a FMIC does cool better than a SMIC so that VMIC that gets more air flow through the IC should cool better as well, assuming the size of the IC is the same on all of them.
Chuck Huang
I wish I would have known you were going to post this I would of stopped quoting.
01-23-03, 08:49 AM
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Originally posted by Kevin T. Wyum
Who decided the V mount was the best working IC out there? This seems like a pretty large unfounded leap to have this conclusion. As for a vented hood, well think about it, it would help an SMIC just as much as a V-mount. If you're including a new vented hood into the equation you better start assuming both the SMIC and Vmount car have the vented hood.
Who decided the V mount was the best working IC out there? This seems like a pretty large unfounded leap to have this conclusion. As for a vented hood, well think about it, it would help an SMIC just as much as a V-mount. If you're including a new vented hood into the equation you better start assuming both the SMIC and Vmount car have the vented hood.
Originally posted by Kevin T. Wyum
"First of all, the Rotary Extreme (Not RE Amemiya :P) V-mount IC system flows 935cfm as opposed to 750 from the next highest flowing unit, the M2 Large. ..."
That would have been true to say a few years ago but the large IC uses different cores now and has for a while. You should also mention the flow numbers you're posting are only relative to pressure drop. Do you know what pressure drop the 935cfm is measured at? If so I can give you an approximate on the new cores flow at the same drop.
"First of all, the Rotary Extreme (Not RE Amemiya :P) V-mount IC system flows 935cfm as opposed to 750 from the next highest flowing unit, the M2 Large. ..."
That would have been true to say a few years ago but the large IC uses different cores now and has for a while. You should also mention the flow numbers you're posting are only relative to pressure drop. Do you know what pressure drop the 935cfm is measured at? If so I can give you an approximate on the new cores flow at the same drop.
Originally posted by Kevin T. Wyum
"...So it's going to flow better with or without a vented hood since the SMIC system doesn't have any venting...."
Huh? What venting?
"...So it's going to flow better with or without a vented hood since the SMIC system doesn't have any venting...."
Huh? What venting?
Originally posted by Kevin T. Wyum
"...The reason for this is it uses newer intercooler technology that yeilds more flow per volume. "
Well since you apparently don't know which core is used now I'll assume this statement is false or at the very least unknown at this time.
"...The reason for this is it uses newer intercooler technology that yeilds more flow per volume. "
Well since you apparently don't know which core is used now I'll assume this statement is false or at the very least unknown at this time.
Originally posted by Kevin T. Wyum
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Originally posted by FD3S_RS
I would think that the V-mount would be similar to a stock mount like the M2 Med & M2 large. Both rams air from the front by their ducting, not directly like FMIC.Then again, at least it is not blocking the radiator.Just a thought. I might be wrong
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"Second, while you're right about the M2 Large or Med SMIC vs a FMIC, the same isn't nessassarily true with a V-mount system. The reason for this is the VMIC expells the air out of the engine bay so there's nothing left to push back against incoming air. ..."
(Boggle) You lost me here. How does a V-mount expel air any differently out of the engine bay? I hope you're not talking about a vented hood again. BTW the post you quoted above was right. From everything I've seen of these V-mounts once a vented hood is added an SMIC and a V mount should behave just the same in general.
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Originally posted by FD3S_RS
I would think that the V-mount would be similar to a stock mount like the M2 Med & M2 large. Both rams air from the front by their ducting, not directly like FMIC.Then again, at least it is not blocking the radiator.Just a thought. I might be wrong
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"Second, while you're right about the M2 Large or Med SMIC vs a FMIC, the same isn't nessassarily true with a V-mount system. The reason for this is the VMIC expells the air out of the engine bay so there's nothing left to push back against incoming air. ..."
(Boggle) You lost me here. How does a V-mount expel air any differently out of the engine bay? I hope you're not talking about a vented hood again. BTW the post you quoted above was right. From everything I've seen of these V-mounts once a vented hood is added an SMIC and a V mount should behave just the same in general.
Originally posted by Kevin T. Wyum
"In fact, if you think about it, the FMIC would theoretically actually have more pressure pushing against it than the VMIC because once the air goes through it's "trapped" in the engine bay and has to find some way out (same as the SMIC), this would create more pressure in the engine bay and be harder for air to enter in the IC...."
None of this is making any sense at all unless you're simply talking about a car with a vented hood as opposed to one without. If that's the case why is the Vmount even being mentioned? You're talking about hoods, not intercoolers.
"In fact, if you think about it, the FMIC would theoretically actually have more pressure pushing against it than the VMIC because once the air goes through it's "trapped" in the engine bay and has to find some way out (same as the SMIC), this would create more pressure in the engine bay and be harder for air to enter in the IC...."
None of this is making any sense at all unless you're simply talking about a car with a vented hood as opposed to one without. If that's the case why is the Vmount even being mentioned? You're talking about hoods, not intercoolers.
Originally posted by Kevin T. Wyum
(snipped some FMIC talk)
"...This will also happen with the air flowing under the car for the radiator...."
Wouldn't this cause turbulent airflow under the car which is a big no no? All those flat plastic panels are there for a reason. Ever seen the bottom of an F1 car?
(snipped some FMIC talk)
"...This will also happen with the air flowing under the car for the radiator...."
Wouldn't this cause turbulent airflow under the car which is a big no no? All those flat plastic panels are there for a reason. Ever seen the bottom of an F1 car?
Originally posted by Kevin T. Wyum
"For maximum efficiancy (which no one will EVER need) a vent connecting to the top of the IC and to the vents in the hood would yeild %100 air evacuation and at the same time distribute %100 of the vacuum effect created by the air rushing over the hood directly to the IC. "
That's actually the right way to do it. Although the part about distributing 100% of the vacuum effect of the hood isn't true. It would only apply to the surface area of the vent opening.
"For maximum efficiancy (which no one will EVER need) a vent connecting to the top of the IC and to the vents in the hood would yeild %100 air evacuation and at the same time distribute %100 of the vacuum effect created by the air rushing over the hood directly to the IC. "
That's actually the right way to do it. Although the part about distributing 100% of the vacuum effect of the hood isn't true. It would only apply to the surface area of the vent opening.
Originally posted by Kevin T. Wyum
I think you're making a large number of unsubstantiated assumptions about things in your post and actually some of the assumptions are outright false. Let me know on the pressure drop numbers btw and I'll give you some real flow numbers.
I think you're making a large number of unsubstantiated assumptions about things in your post and actually some of the assumptions are outright false. Let me know on the pressure drop numbers btw and I'll give you some real flow numbers.
01-23-03, 09:01 AM
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My main point in this thread is that the VMIC system creates a direct tract for air to flow which neither the SMIC or FMIC does. This direct tract (in the nose, out the hood) is also pretty straight for the most part except where it's curved up to enter the IC. When un-ducted air enters from the nose into the engine bay it has no place to go so it bounces all over the place and creates increased pressure in the engine bay, making it harder for new air to enter through the nose.
This is not nessassarily the greatest aspect of the VMIC system (I'd say keeping the IC tract and radiator tract seperate is) but it was the main point in my post. I hope you understand better what I was trying to say now...
Edit: the vacuum effect created by the air rushing over the hood is also an added bonus that helps "pull" air through the tract.
This is not nessassarily the greatest aspect of the VMIC system (I'd say keeping the IC tract and radiator tract seperate is) but it was the main point in my post. I hope you understand better what I was trying to say now...
Edit: the vacuum effect created by the air rushing over the hood is also an added bonus that helps "pull" air through the tract.
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01-23-03, 09:49 AM
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Theres a whole lot of speculation going on in this forum about how air will bend here, won't bend there, bounces around, creates pressure, and flows this way and that, from shade-tree aerodynamacists. Those are some extremely complex problems that only lab or wind-tunnel testing would really answer.
Since only X amount of air will come in through the opening in the front of the car at a given speed though, you can only slice it up but so many ways.... if you "give" extra air to one heat exchanger, you effectively "take" it from another.
I'm still very interested in how Jap tuners or chuck will get a VMIC setup to work with an A/C system. Any pics of the installations?
Since only X amount of air will come in through the opening in the front of the car at a given speed though, you can only slice it up but so many ways.... if you "give" extra air to one heat exchanger, you effectively "take" it from another.
I'm still very interested in how Jap tuners or chuck will get a VMIC setup to work with an A/C system. Any pics of the installations?
01-23-03, 01:11 PM
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The A/C condensor will be sitting on top of the radiator. There is going to be bracket welding on the radiator for you to bolt on the A/C condesor.
As for the lines, one of the AC line from the dryer is too long so you will have to bend a loop to reduce the length. I don't have the pic with me right now but I will get that uploaded here tonight.
Chuck
As for the lines, one of the AC line from the dryer is too long so you will have to bend a loop to reduce the length. I don't have the pic with me right now but I will get that uploaded here tonight.
Chuck
Originally posted by ptrhahn
Theres a whole lot of speculation going on in this forum about how air will bend here, won't bend there, bounces around, creates pressure, and flows this way and that, from shade-tree aerodynamacists. Those are some extremely complex problems that only lab or wind-tunnel testing would really answer.
Since only X amount of air will come in through the opening in the front of the car at a given speed though, you can only slice it up but so many ways.... if you "give" extra air to one heat exchanger, you effectively "take" it from another.
I'm still very interested in how Jap tuners or chuck will get a VMIC setup to work with an A/C system. Any pics of the installations?
Theres a whole lot of speculation going on in this forum about how air will bend here, won't bend there, bounces around, creates pressure, and flows this way and that, from shade-tree aerodynamacists. Those are some extremely complex problems that only lab or wind-tunnel testing would really answer.
Since only X amount of air will come in through the opening in the front of the car at a given speed though, you can only slice it up but so many ways.... if you "give" extra air to one heat exchanger, you effectively "take" it from another.
I'm still very interested in how Jap tuners or chuck will get a VMIC setup to work with an A/C system. Any pics of the installations?
01-23-03, 03:30 PM
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guess everyone missed my post...IT WORKS
I do think that one addition that may or may not be neccessary is a divider to divide the amount of air going to each heat exhanger. You could effectively change how much air each one sees by changing the position of the divider within the V....
i may try that out in the future as summer hits and warmer weather starts to come, but as of right now on the street and also in the track event i ran, it is working great.
-Nic
I do think that one addition that may or may not be neccessary is a divider to divide the amount of air going to each heat exhanger. You could effectively change how much air each one sees by changing the position of the divider within the V....
i may try that out in the future as summer hits and warmer weather starts to come, but as of right now on the street and also in the track event i ran, it is working great.
-Nic
01-23-03, 05:11 PM
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Originally posted by ptrhahn
Theres a whole lot of speculation going on in this forum about how air will bend here, won't bend there, bounces around, creates pressure, and flows this way and that, from shade-tree aerodynamacists. Those are some extremely complex problems that only lab or wind-tunnel testing would really answer.
Since only X amount of air will come in through the opening in the front of the car at a given speed though, you can only slice it up but so many ways.... if you "give" extra air to one heat exchanger, you effectively "take" it from another.
I'm still very interested in how Jap tuners or chuck will get a VMIC setup to work with an A/C system. Any pics of the installations?
Theres a whole lot of speculation going on in this forum about how air will bend here, won't bend there, bounces around, creates pressure, and flows this way and that, from shade-tree aerodynamacists. Those are some extremely complex problems that only lab or wind-tunnel testing would really answer.
Since only X amount of air will come in through the opening in the front of the car at a given speed though, you can only slice it up but so many ways.... if you "give" extra air to one heat exchanger, you effectively "take" it from another.
I'm still very interested in how Jap tuners or chuck will get a VMIC setup to work with an A/C system. Any pics of the installations?
Chuck however does have a degree in science from Berkeley, so I'd consider his posts credible enough. Not mere speculation like mine anyways.
As for the problem with having enough heat exchanger to split:
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01-23-03, 05:49 PM
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Indeed.. i didn't mean to imply that anyones posts weren't credible...
Just that the dynamics of what may or may not be going on with the air in these various configs., is terribly complex and would be tough for an actual aerodynamicist to tell by just supposing.
Just that the dynamics of what may or may not be going on with the air in these various configs., is terribly complex and would be tough for an actual aerodynamicist to tell by just supposing.
01-23-03, 07:21 PM
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picture of the AC dryer tube
Here is a pic of the KS vmount and the loop they did with the dryer tube. You can buy a tube bender from summit racing for around $10.
As for prices of the V mount on RE Amemiya, Knight Sports, and Panspeed, they are all retailed at around US$2980 in Japan. If there is enough interest on this, I will probably set up a group buy on any of those including mine but I need to talk to Jason about this first.
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01-23-03, 07:31 PM
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Hmm..I guess I'll have to save up for that sucker..it's something I'd like because I'd really like to get a FMIC, but since my car is a daily driver..the SMIC makes much more sense.
01-23-03, 07:47 PM
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Originally posted by Chronos
As for the problem with having enough heat exchanger to split:
As for the problem with having enough heat exchanger to split:
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01-23-03, 08:07 PM
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Originally posted by suganuma
guess everyone missed my post...IT WORKS
I do think that one addition that may or may not be neccessary is a divider to divide the amount of air going to each heat exhanger. You could effectively change how much air each one sees by changing the position of the divider within the V....
-Nic
guess everyone missed my post...IT WORKS
I do think that one addition that may or may not be neccessary is a divider to divide the amount of air going to each heat exhanger. You could effectively change how much air each one sees by changing the position of the divider within the V....
-Nic
01-23-03, 08:47 PM
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Re: picture of the AC dryer tube
Originally posted by rotaryextreme
Here is a pic of the KS vmount and the loop they did with the dryer tube. You can buy a tube bender from summit racing for around $10.
As for prices of the V mount on RE Amemiya, Knight Sports, and Panspeed, they are all retailed at around US$2980 in Japan. If there is enough interest on this, I will probably set up a group buy on any of those including mine but I need to talk to Jason about this first.
Chuck
Here is a pic of the KS vmount and the loop they did with the dryer tube. You can buy a tube bender from summit racing for around $10.
As for prices of the V mount on RE Amemiya, Knight Sports, and Panspeed, they are all retailed at around US$2980 in Japan. If there is enough interest on this, I will probably set up a group buy on any of those including mine but I need to talk to Jason about this first.
Chuck
01-23-03, 09:00 PM
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Originally posted by rotaryextreme
The A/C condensor will be sitting on top of the radiator. There is going to be bracket welding on the radiator for you to bolt on the A/C condesor.
Chuck
The A/C condensor will be sitting on top of the radiator. There is going to be bracket welding on the radiator for you to bolt on the A/C condesor.
Chuck
I dont want to address what I think you MIGHT be trying to say until you can clarify.
I have one semester left in a Mechanical Engineering degree from the USAF Academy if that carries any weight with y'all at all. The aerodynamics and thermodynamics involved with all of this is of course very complicated if you were to dissect it all. However, for the purposes of a street car or even this setup on 90% of your cars, looking at everything on that sort of level is somewhat irrelevant. The important information such as pressure loss through the IC for comparisons purpose, surface area exposed for convection, and how the air will perform when it would interact with any IC and radiator setup is something that all of you seem to understand in a general high school physics sense......which is all you need at this point to determine which is really the better option. After that point it just comes to a decision of how things will be configured - what angle, what will direct the air flow, where the air will go (ducting), etc.
It seems to me that many of the individuals replying in this thread understand these basic principles and there really isnt much to be gained by a few hours of calculation and what seems at this point to require almost too many assumptions for those calculations.
01-23-03, 10:29 PM
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I have been on this forum for a very long time, and read many things, but I don't think I have ever read one as condescending, as the one you just posted. Take no offense by what I just said, just try to understand how you just sounded, if your asking that I might be implying that I have already made a splitter, yes I have, If your going to ask to what degree of engineering was involved, I would say only the amount that was needed for the intended purpose, as you said in your post; and that is one hell of a nice street car that occasionally see's track time. I have also made the templates for it to be ducted to the hood just haven't gotten around to finish it yet. Too busy working on other peoples cars.I've also been working on the templates for the front undertray which will diffuse the air from the radiators fans up and torwards the front wheels. The plus side to this will be that I will get a nice little low pressure zone under the car because the front undertray will sit lower than the rest of the panels under the car, until this is all on the car and I do some"highschool physics" testing I can't say that it is the best setup, only that it's better than what I've seen on the market.
01-23-03, 10:45 PM
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i wasnt meaning to be condescending....sorry if it came out that way
i thought you were trying to say that Chuck had already developed a splitter - which i had no knowledge of. I didnt want to say that he had or hadnt or whether you were trying to say that this was already put into the KS or REAmemiya model because i thought you might have some info that i dont....that's it. your comment was just a little vague....
as far as the high school physics remark - i was just commenting that the basic principles behind directing the air whether it is turbulent or laminar and how it will flow is something that is pretty intuitive or that all of you learned in HS physics. Just trying to tell the other guys not to think so hard when comparing the Vmount setup to a SMIC or FMIC......it doesnt really need to be over complicated to see which one would perform better in my opinion.
cool?
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i thought you were trying to say that Chuck had already developed a splitter - which i had no knowledge of. I didnt want to say that he had or hadnt or whether you were trying to say that this was already put into the KS or REAmemiya model because i thought you might have some info that i dont....that's it. your comment was just a little vague....
as far as the high school physics remark - i was just commenting that the basic principles behind directing the air whether it is turbulent or laminar and how it will flow is something that is pretty intuitive or that all of you learned in HS physics. Just trying to tell the other guys not to think so hard when comparing the Vmount setup to a SMIC or FMIC......it doesnt really need to be over complicated to see which one would perform better in my opinion.
cool?
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01-23-03, 11:28 PM
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Originally posted by suganuma
i wasnt meaning to be condescending....sorry if it came out that way
as far as the high school physics remark - i was just commenting that the basic principles behind directing the air whether it is turbulent or laminar and how it will flow is something that is pretty intuitive or that all of you learned in HS physics. Just trying to tell the other guys not to think so hard when comparing the Vmount setup to a SMIC or FMIC......it doesnt really need to be over complicated to see which one would perform better in my opinion.
cool?
-Nic
i wasnt meaning to be condescending....sorry if it came out that way
as far as the high school physics remark - i was just commenting that the basic principles behind directing the air whether it is turbulent or laminar and how it will flow is something that is pretty intuitive or that all of you learned in HS physics. Just trying to tell the other guys not to think so hard when comparing the Vmount setup to a SMIC or FMIC......it doesnt really need to be over complicated to see which one would perform better in my opinion.
cool?
-Nic
I give Chuck credit for doing what he does he makes it better for the masses of people who aren't able to put the time or knowhow into their car the way a few of us can.
01-23-03, 11:37 PM
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Re: Re: picture of the AC dryer tube
I don't have a pic of it but it's just on top of the radiator which has brackets on the sides for the AC condensor to bolt on.
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Chuck
Originally posted by ptrhahn
Very cool... this is starting to have promise. Do you have any pics of whet they did with the condensor?
Very cool... this is starting to have promise. Do you have any pics of whet they did with the condensor?
01-24-03, 10:14 PM
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Originally posted by maxpesce
The only Prob with using this pic to illustrate the airflow needed for a V-mount is, that car has NO intercooler. It is powered by a NA 20B race motor.
The only Prob with using this pic to illustrate the airflow needed for a V-mount is, that car has NO intercooler. It is powered by a NA 20B race motor.
JGTC is by far my favorite GT racing and now it's on speed channel! I wonder why they used the 20B also...it's by no doubt a lot heavier than the turbo 2L engines the other manufactures use which makes less power/weight ratio and intertia going into turns, I wonder if a PPed 13B would possibly hit 300hp with some crazy tuning, or if RE Amemiya had the recources and technology to create such an engine?(obviously not )...One thing's for sure though, if the mazda R&D that created the 787B made an RX-7 for the GT500 series you know it'd be one crazy *** **** that probably dominated the field given their incredibly lax rules, especially regarding weight. I'd say the engine would probably be a 3 spark NA rotary like the 26B, only a 20B....mmmmm...3 spark 
BTW, I'm sure it's aparent that the fact that that car has a 20B in it has nothing to do with how well that body kit would work with the V-MIC system
I guess in a perfect world we could all have N/A 3spark rotary monsters, but since we don't I guess we'll have to settle for hyper-cooled turbo setups As long as we're talking about JGTC here...wouldn't it be awesome if Tommy Kaira was allowed to participate?! I bet they'd mop the floors with those skylines! using their own engines no less, haha!
3spark N/A 500hp full factory backed RX-7's and the most beautiful car ever made having a nissan engine in it...ohh what a dream world I live in! Atleast one of the two can be a reality
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01-24-03, 10:40 PM
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Just incase you guys don't know what I'm talking about: Tommy Kaira is a very small Japanese car manufacturer created by the well known Japanese designer, Kikuo Kaira. They've design cars based mostly around function and use Nissan engines in them. It's Japan's version of Europe's Mclaren F1 or our Saleen S7 (bleh! Ford 
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Here's a pic of the ZZII, their greatest acheivement. In my opinion it's one of the nicest bodies ever designed.
Numbers for it are 550hp, allegedly 1500lbs, and capable of about 210mph and sub 11sec 1/4 miles.
). Here's a pic of the ZZII, their greatest acheivement. In my opinion it's one of the nicest bodies ever designed.
Numbers for it are 550hp, allegedly 1500lbs, and capable of about 210mph and sub 11sec 1/4 miles.
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01-31-03, 06:18 AM
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More photos of Rotary Extreme V-Mount
I have to thank Little Goat for letting me borrow the V-Mount IC I got done for him so I can have my own special V mount made.
Don't you see how nice the V mount is? It even turns my hot air intake into a cold air one. =) Now it gets cold air from the nose directly as well.
Chuck Huang