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Old Feb 13, 2002 | 11:56 AM
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hey capt bill....it sure looks like your m2 turbos are working nicely. Mine will be coming in any day now...I cant wait.

Ill post the times as soon as the motor is broken in.

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Old Feb 19, 2002 | 12:55 AM
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Warmed up a bit

Last time I tested it was near 30 F, and had just barely warmed up, i.e. the engine compartment was still relatively cold. This time I had been running for an hour or so, and the ambient temp was closer to 50F.

4.507s was the average this time. Here's the detailed results:

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Start Speed  40.0mph
 mph       s   g   ft      hp 
 50.0    1.52 0.31   100  139
 60.0    2.97 0.31   217  170
 70.0    4.46 0.31   359  203

Pk Power:  69.9mph   4.44s   357ft   205hp
  Peak G:  69.9mph   4.44s   357ft  0.32g

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Start Speed  40.0mph
 mph       s   g   ft      hp 
 50.0    1.62 0.28   107  127
 60.0    3.15 0.28   230  153
 70.0    4.70 0.29   378  190

Pk Power:  68.6mph   4.47s   355ft   196hp
  Peak G:  68.6mph   4.47s   355ft  0.31g

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Start Speed  40.0mph
 mph       s   g   ft      hp 
 50.0    1.53 0.31   100  138
 60.0    3.04 0.27   223  152
 70.0    4.56 0.30   367  196

Pk Power:  69.7mph   4.52s   363ft   197hp
  Peak G:  57.0mph   2.57s   182ft  0.32g

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Start Speed  40.0mph
 mph       s   g   ft      hp 
 50.0    1.50 0.30    98  136
 60.0    2.99 0.27   219  152
 70.0    4.43 0.32   357  205

Pk Power:  70.0mph   4.43s   357ft   205hp
  Peak G:  70.0mph   4.43s   357ft  0.32g

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Start Speed  40.0mph
 mph       s   g   ft      hp 
 50.0    1.52 0.30   100  136
 60.0    3.02 0.28   221  155
 70.0    4.51 0.30   363  194

Pk Power:  68.3mph   4.25s   337ft   195hp
  Peak G:  66.3mph   3.95s   307ft  0.32g

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Start Speed  40.0mph
 mph       s   g   ft      hp 
 50.0    1.47 0.31    97  139
 60.0    2.94 0.29   215  159
 70.0    4.38 0.31   353  201

Pk Power:  69.9mph   4.37s   352ft   202hp
  Peak G:  67.4mph   4.00s   315ft  0.32g
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Old Feb 19, 2002 | 01:23 AM
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My primary turbo has a bad bearing in it so I don't get full boost until about 4K with non-sequentials (weak - getting new turbos) I did a 50-70 test tonight right before my exit since I was thinking of this 40-70 thing. It took less than 2 seconds - pretty cool with only one turbo working I'll do some runs tomorrow - pretty sure it'll be around 5 secs since I have no power in my primary - we'll see. Can't wait to get both turbos on board. I am running 12 psi with about 1/4 tank for this basically worthless test.
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Old Feb 19, 2002 | 10:58 AM
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Sank: Which performance tool are you using?
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Old Feb 19, 2002 | 11:24 AM
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The AP-22 from http://www.Race-Technology.com

It's the only one I'm aware of that logs data. I really like it. This comparison page shows some of its features: http://www.cb-racing.com/rt-comparison.htm

I got mine for 240.
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Old Feb 19, 2002 | 12:34 PM
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I think the APEX unit logs data. Looks very cool, but it's more like $350 with the g sensor: http://www.APEXi-usa.com/meters_revspeedmeter.asp

GTech is also coming out with a newer/better performance meter next winter.
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Old Feb 19, 2002 | 12:53 PM
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Well guys, I finally did some runs today.

60 degrees (nice)
1/4 tank gas

1st run: surface (flat)
40-70 in 4.01 secs - I think I hit the timer at like 37-38 mph

2nd run: surface (slight downhill)
40-70 in 3.53 secs

3rd run surface (slight uphill)
40-70 in 3.53 secs (consistent)

My 40-50 seemed like about 2 secs - I had terrible lag and was scared to look at the time (my primary turbo is barely working) but from 50-70 literally took about 1.0 to 1.3 secs. I was running 12 psi on the PFC. I'm pretty happy with my times considering I'm down about 60 hp. Let's see some more times here!
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Old Feb 19, 2002 | 04:14 PM
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The APEX version is meant to interface with the ECU. The others are stand-alone. Mine fits in the palm of my hand, and doesn't connect to anything. Just strap it to the dash, and it's amazingly accurate, AFAICT. You give it rolling resistance, Cof of drag, body roll...so it can get very specific to your car. They have a new one coming out as well, with GPS functionality, so it should have even higher accuracy, since it can compare it's calculated speed with the speed calculated by GPS.

But back to topic, where is the times for that Camaro SS? That, I want to see!
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Old Feb 19, 2002 | 05:01 PM
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Originally posted by Sank
But back to topic, where is the times for that Camaro SS? That, I want to see!
I reminded him about doing this today. Hopefully he'll do it soon.
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Old Feb 20, 2002 | 10:39 AM
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I'm going do mine on my lunch break
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Old Feb 20, 2002 | 01:23 PM
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back in the day I used to keep it at 40mph start the watch and floor it in 3rd gear and stop the watch at 70mph.

no wonder these times are faster
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Old Feb 20, 2002 | 01:55 PM
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Originally posted by MaxRX7
back in the day I used to keep it at 40mph start the watch and floor it in 3rd gear and stop the watch at 70mph.

no wonder these times are faster
This method was developed for consistancy more than the faster times. Also, this is the same method used to properly observe the boost pattern.
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Old Feb 20, 2002 | 09:25 PM
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Got my new rear tires installed the other day. AVS Sport 275-40-17
They are a bit taller than the last set. AVS Sport 245-45-17
I will try some new runs to see if they affect my times any.
While the speedo may be off a bit, 40-70 in third gear is still a 30 mph change in the midrange even if the true speed is off + or - a couple of mph or so.
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Old Feb 20, 2002 | 10:06 PM
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Exclamation SS times finally in!

My friend finally got around to running the test once in either direction with his stock 98 Camaro SS. Temp was around 68 degrees and he had a quarter tank of gas. His car has less that 30K miles and appears to be in good working order.

Average between the two runs: 4.71 seconds

I have to admit, I was expecting faster. However, gearing and what not is likely a big factor. Again, not apples to apples, but interesting.
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Old Feb 20, 2002 | 10:24 PM
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Actually with the amount of torque the LS1s have I'm really surprised of those times for the SS. I figured it would be low 4s for the SS - interesting.
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Old Feb 21, 2002 | 08:05 AM
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It's apples to apples as far as what's faster. :-)
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Old Feb 21, 2002 | 08:49 AM
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Originally posted by capt. bill1
It's apples to apples as far as what's faster. :-)
Sure, if we all drove around in 3rd gear all day
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Old Feb 21, 2002 | 01:25 PM
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What? You mean you don't?

Thats why you down shift when someone wants to run you. And it's still a good indication of a street cars midrange power. And there for it's potencial.
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Old Feb 21, 2002 | 01:46 PM
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Originally posted by capt. bill1
What? You mean you don't?

Thats why you down shift when someone wants to run you. And it's still a good indication of a street cars midrange power. And there for it's potencial.
Hmmm... so that's what the '1' and '2' on my shifter are! Now if I could only figure out the 'R'.

The SS and 7 achieve similar amounts of power (relative to their weight) in strictly different ways. For the purposes of this test, comparing the two cars in the same gear has no real meaning.
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Old Feb 21, 2002 | 02:16 PM
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With a downpipe and about 65 out. I did 5.1, however this was the "old" method of cruise at 40 then punch it. When my car is back up and running id beinterested to see what it will do with the 35mph roll on method. And what the cold air intake added..if anything...
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Old Feb 25, 2002 | 11:46 AM
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How do I do it for an automatic?? The ratios are different. The auto is 3.90 and the standards are 4.1. Does anyone know what the time for an auto would be?
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Old Feb 25, 2002 | 06:21 PM
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Two runs, average 4.81 and its an automatic. I'll post new times later this week after the 4.30 rear is installed.
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Old Feb 28, 2002 | 11:11 PM
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Tested last night, one run, cruised @ 40 mph then stabbed it, 67 degrees F, approximately 10.5 psig:

4.5 sec

Last edited by jasonsr1; Feb 28, 2002 at 11:14 PM.
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Old Mar 1, 2002 | 12:02 AM
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Originally posted by jasonsr1
Tested last night, one run, cruised @ 40 mph then stabbed it, 67 degrees F, approximately 10.5 psig:

4.5 sec
It doesn't mean much unless you do it the same way as everyone else...

1. Cruise at 35mph - 'stab it'
2. Time from 40-70
3. Time both directions on the same stretch of road - then average them.
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Old Mar 1, 2002 | 08:41 AM
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True. Do it again and see how the times differ though. I'm just curious.
I did post specific instructions at the start of this thread.
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