1FooknTiteFD

For the record, I used to have the M2 medium IC when I was running stock twin turbos and I always had problems with the pipes popping off or rubbing against my strut tower bar. Also because the intercooler wasnt' securely fastened and just sits, it seemed pretty ghetto too. Also the duct that came with the kit didn't fit properly and needed trimming, furthermore the duct messed up one of my fan wires because it rubbed on it until it went out. Overall, I was pretty dissappointed that I had to pay $1500 back in the day and encounter so many problems

turbojeff

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That sure is a sweet battery tray!

Kevin T. Wyum

"I hada friend with this setup, and he was constantly dealing with couplers popping off of the IC piping to the end tanks. Part of the problem was the SMIC core just sits, and is not mounted firmly to anything."

Has nothing to do with being a floating mount. It's supposed to be like that so as the engine twists it doesn't crack tubing and strain other parts. You'll notice the OEM IC uses accordian tubing to serve the same purpose. What your friend experienced was a bad tubing bead. Unfortunately M2 wasn't using a proper bead form on tubing ends for a period of time. I'm not sure why. This caused the tube to "pop" out under pressure. The kits come with constant torque clamps so they never come lose. Even though I don't support the products sold by M2, I will, if the person pays shipping both ways, put a proper bead on any of his tubing for free to help him out, and I don't mean a cheesy glob of wire feed slag that looks like someone sneezed on it.

"The other problems were: the duct was never aligned properly with the SMIC core"

I have heard some complaints about the tubing M2 made not lining up quite right. I think some of this was when they tried to make things fit the air pump using normal tubing. They had to shift the IC over more than it was supposed to be to do it. Sadly there's nothing I can do to help those people other than make the new cast air pump availble so they can put the IC where it belongs. We've already covered the problem with some of the medium ones having the wrong end tank design when M2 was making them.

"and that same large-*** duct, contributed to my friend's FD overheating b/c, said duct blocked air flow exiting from his Mazda Comp radiator."

Extremely unlikely. I suggest you scroll up to the picture of Damian's engine bay, almost half the radiator is completely exposed and keep in mind even the area that's covered has a curved dome shape creating a big cavity for air to flow out of. Don't you remember what the stock setup looks like? Your friend's problem sounds like he didn't have the gaps around the radiator sealed, so air was bypassing the radiator. That's a common problem, even I had it at the start of the One Lap in 96, sealing the gaps fixed it for all the following tracks during the event. There's a reason so many road racing people opt for mine or other SMIC's unless it's a stripped track car.

I'll be blunt, Chuck can make up things all he wants, but the simple fact is hundreds of people have been using these IC's for almost 10 years now and despite some goofy issues while M2 was making them it's what works. Even you yourself just posted that your car had problems for over a year with your "tried-and-tested" Greddy 2-row FMIC and that after you fixed it all you still overheat and need a vented hood. A vented hood is probably a good idea though, I'll agree with you there. It'll help any IC if the hood is properly designed.

"Once he put a new motor in, "Jim" installed large fans on the back of the SMIC core to help draw air out. "

This part confused me. Why would a fan on the IC help with the radiator? Maybe you could reword that. Sorry I didn't quite understand it.

I look forward to your clarification. Sorry I didn't catch your name.

Kevin T. Wyum

Happy 2nd birthday Melissa : )

Kevin T. Wyum

The biggest mistake I ever made with either Intercooler was unfortunately to turn over production to M2/Mostly Mazda. There isn't a single aspect of that deal that turned out well. A lot of the problems were really careless, such as the end tank change on the mediums and apparently there were no beads on a lot of the tubing. There's nothing I can do now but apolgize for the errors. I'll extend the same offer to anyone that purchased one without a bead as I did above, as long as the shipping is covered I'll put proper beads on for free.

Kevin T. Wyum

yodaddy

thanks a ton chuck, you're the man!!!!!

mazdaspeed00

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wow, that was just a lot of reading i just did.

jhammerrx7

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This has been a pretty crazy thread.

rotaryextreme

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So I did make a mistake on your using the same IC duct. Why would I make that mistake if you didn't use a poorly designed IC duct for the medium IC. It covers almost all the end tanks that it seems like you use the same duct for both the medium and large. The main point is that your IC duct is poorly designed. Why should I lie about that when people can clearly see it in the photos? How is lying about your using the same IC duct going to gain myself some business? That's beyond my understanding. If the IC duct is properly designed, who cares if it's the same. But too bad it's not.

Making things up is your specialty and avoiding answering questions regarding the flaws of SMIC and any technical question is what you do the best. Instead of answering technical questions, you always like to insult a business or a person on the personal level. Any problems of your IC will be some other company's fault. Just by looking through all your posts clearly shows that.

You sold 350 IC's. Good for you. But that doesn't prove anything. I have customers swapping your IC to my vmount. If yours is the greatest thing in the world, why would they spend another $2300-2800 to do that? I guess you are going to say because I lied to them and that's why they bought them, right? Oh yeah, it just happens that at every vmount thread, theew are people who actually use the vmount posting great things about it. I guess my lies are so sweet they just love to praise my product even if I rip them off.

I would not have posted here if you didn't make comment on me or my business. Was I here trying to sell some stuff? No. You brought me here. But for you, you would like to go to every vmount thread or any IC thread trying to hurt other people's business. Every other vendor has a professional courtesy not to stick their noses into others' business. But obviously, you don't that common sense. Do you see me going to every SMIC, ASP IC, FMIC and talk ****? I don't because I am not like you. I guess I am not as HONORABLE as you.

People can copy my vmounts if they buy one. I have no control over it. But give me a reason why I should put up a tutorial when I sell the product. People have copied my stuff. My downpipe and midpipe have been copied by a few companies and they are sold all over the web. People use my company name to sell their prodcuts. Unlike you, I don't cry everytime I have a chance. I simply move on. Guess what the next project is.

Chuck Huang

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You are feeding people with some BS. I have never heard of any crack tubing issue by mounting the IC solidly. Every single aftermarket IC out there is mounted solidly except yours. If you worry about cracking, you use the rubber mounts like the stock IC setup. PFS IC is mounted solidly onto the cross bar. I am not aware of any people reporting cracking issue with the PFS IC. If you really worry about cracking pipes, you should use the hump silicone hose instead of a straight silicone hose. There is no excuse to let the 15-20 lb IC dangling around not mounted securely.

Damian's IC has that1/2 space simply because of his intake setup. M2 was marketing the IC with their air box. If you have the M2 air box, all you have is that small triangle for the air to exit from the radiator. And right now his intake is sucking in all the hot radiator air. How come you don't point it out that it's going to affect the overall intake temp with that setup? Radiator air has more room to exit but then the intake temp suffers. You should have known better.

The curved dome you are talking about was to clear the radiator fan shroud. Where is the air going to go if there is no exit. If that design is so great, why does stock rx7 have overheating problems. BTW, you have been talking about the undertray blocking the exit of the vmount radiator but the exit on the vmount set up is so much bigger than that triangular space on your setup. Like I said, making things up and misleading people INTENTIONALLY are your specialty.

M2 has made you so much money. I feel bad for them being blamed by you. M2 is the one who makes your IC popular while they are working with Shiv. Your IC would not be as popular without their work. M2 to you is like a tampon: you use it and you throw it in the toilet. Who is the sneaky one here?

Remember this, I don't go to your IC threads and post negative info. I don't need to make up false info about your IC to sell my own. My vmount sells just fine just by how good it is. So you can stop accusing me of making things up about you and your IC. I don't need to make up some bogus theories like you do to prove to people that my IC works.

Chuck Huang

Kevin T. Wyum

You were already caught lying in this thread, spin it anyway you like and try to change the subject repeatedly but the fact is my topic was about your moral duplicity, copying other peoples products and then not wanting people to do the same to you. That's called being a hypocrite. You followed that up with a blatant lie, trying to badmouth a competitor and got caught. While I'm typing, are you really stupid enough to think you'll achieve non-turbulent flow through an intercooler core when 50% of it is perpendicular charge side passages? Front Mounts or Vmounts have horrible airflow through them just as Stock Mounts do. It's just patently ignorant for you to suggest there's some issue with having a duct extend to portions of the end tanks. I know you like to fancy yourself as quite a savvy applied physicist & aero/thermo/mech engineer but sadly your spamming doesn't qualify and misses the most important aspect, practical application of the product. Probably the second highest design priority after performance with my IC's was flexibility. I wanted as many people as possible to be able to use them with as many other parts or setups as possible and be extremely user friendly while achieving the maximum performance. Both IC's allow significant variance in installation, they can be moved to one side or the other to fit with whatever the user has. If the IC was bolted to the frame and could only be installed in one spot, and the duct bolted to the IC and could only be in one specific location, do you think you'd see people installing them with small batteries, making them work with air pumps, using whatever intakes they can come up with? Do you hear people talking about having to cut parts of the frame off, removing the bumpers or cutting them up, taking half the car apart and spending 15+ hours just to install one of my IC's? Of course you don't it takes an hour to install one. If I wanted to have people cut parts of the frame out, remove the bumper and spend an extra 15 hours of installation I could probably even get some additional performance out of it. Can you imagine trying to uninstall a Vmount or Front Mount to put it back to stock because you needed warranty work at the dealership back in the day? You should be humiliated by the fact that you're nitpicking over possibly 5 degrees of additional cooling for an extra $1400 purchase price and $500 to $1000 of labor to have a shop install it. The worst of it is that we haven't seen anything but pretty standard performance out of the cars using it. Of course we've seen the statistically significant highway tests from unbiased people that spent $2400+ to buy it and a couple people even got some laps in.

I'll give you credit, you're quite the salesperson, getting people to spend that kind of money for something without any substantial benefit or proven performance gain. Of course when you're morally flexible and willing to lie about things it's easier to sell something I suppose. I really liked the story about your borrowing parts to a body kit from someone, claiming you just wanted to see if you liked the quality before buying it, and it turns out you were really making molds from it while you had it and then didn't even buy the part in the end.

Despite my temptation to keep responding I'll have to make this my last post on the topic, really what should be my last response to you period Mr. Huang. I'll be blunt since it's my last post on this (honestly). I don't think you have any problem lying to people if you feel it benefits you, you have a double standard when it comes to your conduct and how you expect others to conduct themselves, you know about 1/2 as much as you think you do about applied science and theory although you make up for it in hype and volume (you literally talk people to death without actually knowing), the products you make actually seem to be decent build quality and of reasonable design and you can even be pretty helpful, you're also the most defensive person on this forum, even worse than me and lastly as I've said I just have no respect for the whole copying business of parts and that's what you really started as.

I think I've spent about as much time on this as I can. I'm sure a lot of people could care less about any of this or think I may even be abrasive and mean but oh well. I've exercised my demons, err Chucks. (YAWN)

Kevin T. Wyum

I'm going to build an improved V-mount now for $1000 (snicker) I'll have it done in 2 days.

SleepR1

This has been some of the best reading on the Rx7 Forum in a long long time Sure beats the "just washed my FD...what do you think?" threads LOL

SleepR1

Yes this is true. Jim did install better couplers and clamps, that seemed to help.

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I have heard some complaints about the tubing M2 made not lining up quite right. I think some of this was when they tried to make things fit the air pump using normal tubing. They had to shift the IC over more than it was supposed to be to do it.

I kept telling to Jim to just go midpipe, and get that air pump out of there LOL. Yeah the duct alignment problem drove him crazy.

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Your friend's problem sounds like he didn't have the gaps around the radiator sealed, so air was bypassing the radiator. That's a common problem, even I had it at the start of the One Lap in 96, sealing the gaps fixed it for all the following tracks during the event.

That's a possibility. I never really got the lowdown on how Jim's motor overheated and died?

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There's a reason so many road racing people opt for mine or other SMIC's unless it's a stripped track car.

FWIW, doesn't Cam Worth used a huge front-mounted IC? The huge rad core was mounted vertically? Maybe RTS3GEN can put in his nickel's worth of opinion. He's apparently familiar with why Cam went with FMIC?

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Even you yourself just posted that your car had problems for over a year with your "tried-and-tested" Greddy 2-row FMIC and that after you fixed it all you still overheat and need a vented hood.

No real problems on public road, but open tracking was tricky especially in warm weather. I consulted with Fritz Flynn and Chris Regan, and they suggested foam ducting. I installed this foam to seal off passages that cooling-air could escape around the rad core. This little trick helped immensely. At open track events, it takes 20 to 25 minutes of hard lapping to hit 120 C in 80-ish F ambient temps @ 12 psi boost (AITs were 45 C peak).

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A vented hood is probably a good idea though, I'll agree with you there. It'll help any IC if the hood is properly designed.

The vented hood will probably help in decreasing the water temps, and perhaps I won't see 120 C anymore. That or I could just turn the boost down to 10 psi LOL. I don't care for the Scoot, but perhaps the Mazdaspeed? Looking into buying a replica vented hood from Rx7 Store. I think it's a "Knightsports" knock-off? I'm told by Fritz Flynn, that a Mazdaspeed GTC nose, would also help in getting more air volume into the nose? GTC nose and vented hood may be all that's needed to say goodbye to 120 C motor temps @ open track lapping events?

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"Once he put a new motor in, "Jim" installed large fans on the back of the SMIC core to help draw air out. " This part confused me. Why would a fan on the IC help with the radiator? Maybe you could reword that. Sorry I didn't quite understand it.

You're right. That fan had nothing to do with cooling the rad core. I think Jim was trying to cool the air charge, since he thought his air charge temps were a bit high (that snorkel opening is real small!).

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I look forward to your clarification. Sorry I didn't catch your name. Kevin T. Wyum

My signature is below. I exchanged emails with you when I was considering IC setups.

My clarification is this:

Jim's car was an M2 large setup with cold airbox etc. He'd been impressed with the rave reviews Shiv had written up in SCC. When he got his car together (with the help of a local M2 dealer) he was a bit disappointed with all the problems @ open lapping events (actually made me glad my car was basically stock at the time). I was monitoring this, and decided ASP large wasn't for me.

I chose GReddy FMIC/Koyo rad, b/c of my geographic location, and the fact that my FD is a street rod, NOT an open track car.

I live in the midwest, where ambient temps seldom stay in the high 90s F. I don't open track on hot days. I'd assume just stay in the shade, or hang out in the "club house" (big trailer setups). My limit is 85 F. I've open-tracked in 90 F heat once, and I suffered heat exhaustion (before my stock car got hot)--never again!

My car's a street rod that can open track, but open tracking is NOT its main function. I have not had any problems on the public roads. With A/C on, in stop-n-go traffic, 88 F, I've seen 95 C. Once moving, the water temps drop down to 87 C to 89 C (depending on ambient temps).

The GReddy FMIC was the right choice for my application. I'm not saying the GReddy FMIC is for everyone.

Each FD owner has much to consider during the mod process. You can't just slap parts on your FD, and hope they will work.

I will agree Chuck is a great salesman/pitchman. He didn't quite sell me back in Nov 2002, though.

Chuck's idea for V-mount isn't new. The Japanese have doing this for many years, and it's a lot hotter there, than in IN. Many of the Japanese road racing FDs use the V-mounts (so I've read). In looking at pics of Chuck's production versions of his VMIC setups, I would buy his monster V-mount, AND his twin monster oil coolers--IF--I were building a dedicated open track FD.

BTW, it's interesting to note, that while Kevin's ASP SMIC setup is popular in the US, I'm not aware of any Japanese tuners that use the over-sized SMIC setup for road racing. I would guess the Japanese FD owners/racers would have the ultimate say, in which version of the oversized IC is the best--from what I've read--the Japanese street FDs use FMIC, and Japanese road race FDs use V-mount?

My FD is a primarily a street car (or street rod--370 rwhp, @ 16 psi with '99 sequential twins on Rx7 Store's Mustang Dyno). It's my daily driver with 120,000 miles and counting (17,500 miles on the KDR streetport motor).

I guess I made the right choice with the GReddy 2-row FMIC/Koyo rad LOL.

Cossie

hey Manny.....*wave*....

KaiFD3S

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dammmmmmmm..I felt like I just read the holy bible about intercoolers and some shops...very helpfull though. This is yet to be one of the best threads in the forum to read...

SleepR1

Sup, Fong! HKS V-mount working for you? Was wondering if HKS V-mount with Koyo rad would work in a V-mount setup LOL. I'd need that cool battery tray, and a different intake prolly...

1FooknTiteFD

You should take a look at hyper rev magazine or rx7magazine in japan. Look at all the tuner cars in japan who run open track...Re Amemiya, FEED, Pan speed, etc....

How many of them use SMIC? NONE!

They are all running FMIC and VMIC on an open track mind you they aren't drag cars either. But oh yeah, I'm sure those japanese tuners know nothing about road racing and that their set ups have no substantial performance gain they have just been racing FD's with more vigor and experience than we have over here for years!

Also when I was getting my car tuned at XS with a SMIC, they said that it was hard to tune due to the tremendous heat soak and high air intake temps. They definitely recommended a FMIC over a SMIC

Cossie

It works great for me...but you must rem that if you value the opinion of the forum, the HKS ones sucks as it has fitment problems, loses a/c, loses powersteering...
I wonder why HKS would spend so much time developing a POS like that, rather than just "copy" designs that...esp ones that look good, real big, fits well...

oops, I forgot...FDs are only for display and looking good only...we dont care about how it drives anymore...I keep forgetting noone drives FDs to the track anymore....

SleepR1

No A/C?! Well forget that. I needs to stay cool. Enjoy the setup, Cossie

PVerdieck

Hey Manny, I have been considering vented hoods for a while. I love the look of the Mazdaspeed, but I like function better.

What I believe you need for the best cooling, is some rear ducts, where the heat from the turbox gets trapped. Yes, having the central vents is good, because that takes care of your IC exhaust, but I insist on having the rear venting as well. Now, you can just slam them in the stock hood like this:



or try to find a hood like that.

Mazdaspeed now makes a new one, but they bungled the design. Note the new mini ducts behind the lights. Excuse me, what are you venting from there clowns! Excess heat from the headlights? Those should be back further!



There is the Knightsports hood. This one has both, but I think all the vents are too big. Unnecessarily big.


Here is the N1 hood, or clone of it from Rotary Extreme. It looks like next to no hood, this is the best around. However, like the Scoot hood, I don't want a ******* cheese grater for a hood. Its too much for me.



Now, a new solution, and one I like the best now is the Extreme Dimensions hood. This is probably the one I'll get.


Yeah, it might be a little too busy in the middle, but it will do wonders venting the exhaust from my IC.

reza

My friend has M2 Medium intercooler. The pipes never right after the new stock motormount installed. The engine sits too high, and pipes were rubbing the hood. creating hideous gouges and dents. even visible from outside. ASP/M2 IC sucks
Plus the hood prop could not be put on the stock location. that is bad

Too much time has to be spent for products that never fits right, and more times spent whenever fitting things back in car while doing subsequent work on car.

What a waste of money for such a POS. Just like my experience with ACT 6-puck clutch, as many are aware.

PVerdieck

Most people are aware that they would never take your word for what a good clutch is, because you drift and torture your clutch by "kicking" it and giving it repeated torture, for which clutches in general were never designed.

rotaryextreme

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"You were already caught lying in this thread, spin it anyway you like and try to change the subject repeatedly but the fact is my topic was about your moral duplicity, copying other peoples products and then not wanting people to do the same to you. That's called being a hypocrite"

I already said people can copy it if they buy one. But I don't need to provide free tutorial. How many times do I have repeat myself. Can't you read?

"You followed that up with a blatant lie, trying to badmouth a competitor and got caught."

Bad mouthing a competitor is your specialty and you are accusing me of doing so? Anyone can do a search by your forum name and see how you follow me around like a little sick stalker. What did I lie about? About your using the same IC duct? It's not a lie. Your two ducts are so similar and you are too lazy to design a proper one for the medium IC. That's the main point. You still can't come up with an explanation why you designed it that way, can you? Why can't you argue with technical info.

"While I'm typing, are you really stupid enough to think you'll achieve non-turbulent flow through an intercooler core when 50% of it is perpendicular charge side passages? Front Mounts or Vmounts have horrible airflow through them just as Stock Mounts do"

Did I ever say that there is non-tubulent flow with vmount or fmic anywhere here? Why are you making things up and put them in my mouth? You want some schooling on IC tech and air flow? Let me teach you some right here.

1. Every IC has an efficiency rating by the air speed. The faster the air flowing through it, the more efficient it is. Because you can calculate the amount of air flowing through it by IC surface area x air speed = air volume / time

2. SMIC sucks because the IC duct will make the air coming in losing a lot of air speed. First of all it's fed by a small *** 2.5"x12" duct at most. When the air reaches the surface of the IC, the speed of the air already drops by at least 25%. If you don't know why, let me give you a very simple example. Blow a straw, the air coming out the other end of the straw. Connect that straw with a 3" pipe and feel the air speed coming out of the 3" pipe, the air speed is reduced greatly. If you need some math calculation, let me know. Besides the size of the mouth of the air duct, you have an "S" turn right after the mouth of the duct + your poorly designed IC that feeds air to the end tanks, I guess the air speed through your IC core is down to 20% of the original speed at most.

3. On a contary with a VMIC or FMIC, the air speed is a lot higher simply because neither uses a small *** 2.5"x12" air duct. The air doesn't have have to take an "S" turn, either.

" It's just patently ignorant for you to suggest there's some issue with having a duct extend to portions of the end tanks. I know you like to fancy yourself as quite a savvy applied physicist & aero/thermo/mech engineer but sadly your spamming doesn't qualify and misses the most important aspect"

Oh well, the ignorant one is you. You either don't understand the concepts of air flow or you try to hide it from people so they don't know a SMIC is an inferior design. Again, you always hide or manipulate information to sell your product. Many examples in this thread already.


"practical application of the product. Probably the second highest design priority after performance with my IC's was flexibility. I wanted as many people as possible to be able to use them with as many other parts or setups as possible and be extremely user friendly while achieving the maximum performance. Both IC's allow significant variance in installation, they can be moved to one side or the other to fit with whatever the user has. If the IC was bolted to the frame and could only be installed in one spot, and the duct bolted to the IC and could only be in one specific location, do you think you'd see people installing them with small batteries, making them work with air pumps, using whatever intakes they can come up with?"


About your so called flexibility about your IC set up is the biggest contradicting BS I have ever heard. You have said numerous times that your large IC will not work properly with the small battery and you blame the bad fitment on people who use the small battery. Now your BS intercooler not bolted down securely is a plus? My small vmount already works with the air pump while you are trying to figure it out how to make yours work. Now you are feeding me with BS that your IC works with air pump? I thought your cast pipe is not finished yet and that's why your group buy hasn't started. My vmount works with all kinds of intake on the market. What other BS can you come up with?


"Do you hear people talking about having to cut parts of the frame off, removing the bumpers or cutting them up, taking half the car apart and spending 15+ hours just to install one of my IC's? Of course you don't it takes an hour to install one. If I wanted to have people cut parts of the frame out, remove the bumper and spend an extra 15 hours of installation I could probably even get some additional performance out of it"

You always want to avoid information and feed people with BS. V mount comes with a radiator. Does your IC come with one? If you install an ASP large IC, an upgraded radiator, plus moving the battery to the back, you will spend equal or more time. Avoiding and manipulation information to your own benefit is your specialty. Or I should say bull shitting is what you do at best.

" . Can you imagine trying to uninstall a Vmount or Front Mount to put it back to stock because you needed warranty work at the dealership back in the day?"

Too bad. We are not in the 90's anymore. You hang onto your past too much. Now I understand why you still think your SMIC develped in the 90's is still the best.


"You should be humiliated by the fact that you're nitpicking over possibly 5 degrees of additional cooling for an extra $1400 purchase price and $500 to $1000 of labor to have a shop install it. The worst of it is that we haven't seen anything but pretty standard performance out of the cars using it. Of course we've seen the statistically significant highway tests from unbiased people that spent $2400+ to buy it and a couple people even got some laps in."

Did you use a Vmount? How did you come up with 5 degree? Another "LIE" from you? Vmount drops the air temp by at least 15-20C depending how which SMIC you have. Remember I have customers who had yours and changed to my VMIC? Vmount comes with a radiator. It's not just an IC. If you add a custom radiator onto of your IC, it comes out about the same. But mine is simply a better engineeried product than yours so selling it at higher is justified I would think. Again, manipulating and making up information is your specialty.

"I'll give you credit, you're quite the salesperson, getting people to spend that kind of money for something without any substantial benefit or proven performance gain. Of course when you're morally flexible and willing to lie about things it's easier to sell something I suppose."

Lying is your specialty. Not mine. In just one of your post, there are at least a dozen lies and false info. You are the biggest liar here.

"I really liked the story about your borrowing parts to a body kit from someone, claiming you just wanted to see if you liked the quality before buying it, and it turns out you were really making molds from it while you had it and then didn't even buy the part in the end."

WOW, you are really good at making **** up. Why don't you give me more details about this. I can sue you for defamation right there. You better watch out.

"Despite my temptation to keep responding I'll have to make this my last post on the topic, really what should be my last response to you period Mr. Huang. I'll be blunt since it's my last post on this (honestly). I don't think you have any problem lying to people if you feel it benefits you"

It's you that have no problem lying to people if you feel it benefits you. Damn, the biggest bull ******* is accusing me. What the heck is wrong with this world.

"you have a double standard when it comes to your conduct and how you expect others to conduct themselves, you know about 1/2 as much as you think you do about applied science and theory although you make up for it in hype and volume (you literally talk people to death without actually knowing), the products you make actually seem to be decent build quality and of reasonable design and you can even be pretty helpful"

Again, people can copy me if they buy my ****. I have no control over it. But I am not going to provide free tutorial. Many companies have copied my stuff. I don't ******* cry like a little baby everytime I have a chance. How many times do I have to repeat that. If you think I only know 1/2 of what I am talking about, why don't you show me what you know and make me seem like an igorante fool insteading of trying to be a priest teaching moral when you don't have much yourself.


"you're also the most defensive person on this forum, even worse than me and lastly as I've said I just have no respect for the whole copying business of parts and that's what you really started as. "

The most defensive person is probably you. You always follow me around trying to stir up some ****. You are one little stalker and BS master.

"I think I've spent about as much time on this as I can. I'm sure a lot of people could care less about any of this or think I may even be abrasive and mean but oh well. I've exercised my demons, err Chucks. (YAWN)

Kevin T. Wyum"

Yeah, if you want to spend more time, make sure you know what you are talking about.

"I'm going to build an improved V-mount now for $1000 (snicker) I'll have it done in 2 days. "

Please do that. Another BS from you? Show us some photos on Monday.

Chuck Huang

Zero R

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I see Kevin has a hard-on for Chuck again, I'm so done with everytime there is a V-mount thread, asking about chucks v-mount before page 2, it becomes a Kevin versus Chuck bullshit thread. Kevin your IC's were great and still are I guess, and as usual I will say I've been running my V-mount setup long before and came up with the idea after taking a good long look at what ASP/M2?PFS were making and thought good, but not good enough.(please don't start with the pie thing again it goes right out the window once the stock bumper is gone.) Quite your crying you both look bad. especially infront of potential customers.

-Sean

rotaryextreme

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I guess it's one of Kevin's special techniques to eliminate any potential competitor. He has bad mouthed not only me but also other vendors such as Pettit Racing, ATR, M2 just in this single thread. He doesn't seem to care if he looks bad. He sells his stuff through RX-7 Store so he can be the biggest ******* all he wants and that probalby will not affect his income at all. Besides that, ASP is just his side job.

On the other hand, his competitors might not be as lucky. We run this full time and it's our only income. Maybe that's why vendors like myself have the common sense and professional courtesy not to get into direct conflict with each other and we have a basic respect for each other. Like I said before in this thread, this is a small community and I rather have friends than foes. Keivn Wyum clearly does not agree with me by replying with false accusations and hostility.

I politely asked Kevin Wyum to mind his own business and I will mind my own but he wants to turn this into a big ugly fight and so far he has not contributed any beneficial information except his bogus theories trying to cover up his design flaws. I hope he can learn to stop now. The more he talks, the more it shows how inferior his intercooler design is and how many flaws it has. And for sure I am going to catch his bogus theory again if he is going to try any.

I hope besides Kevin Wyum's constant name calling, defamatory stories, misleading info and purposely manipulated data, people can still get some useful info from my technical reviews of general intercooling concepts. I strongly believe that people can only use knowledge to persuade, not by name calling, unrelated defamatory stories, or purposely spreaded misinformation. I am sorry that I had to defend myself because Kevin Wyum's defamatory remarks really hurts my personal reputation and business. Just by how he used M2 and then dumped and blamed them for everything when they have no more use to him easily shows his character and credibility. I don't know why I need to say more. Screwing over friends and partners is the worst thing you can do in business but he presents himself as a preacher of moral values.

If his post were really about morals, I would not think he would come to every vmount thread and talk crap. He simply wants to get more business to himself. It's like using god's name (moral value) to make money. That's really low. I guess he ran out of things to talk because at every vmount thread, I shut him up pretty well. Now he can't argue with technical aspect of intercooling and all he has left is personal attack.

Back to the main topic, since you converted the ASP IC into Vmount, I think your unbiased experience is worth a lot more. I believe you have mentioned before just by converting the ASP IC to Vmout even using the same IC core, there is a big improvement. Thanks for sharing.

Chuck Huang

SleepR1

Whew...this is better than watching reality TV

I rate this thread a "4" on the "Richter" scale

Rx7 Store sells ASP and Rotary Extreme stuff, so...

Thanks, PVerdieck for the suggestion. I like this hood too. Does Rx7 Store sell it?