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Why are the v8 guys butthurt all of the sudden? I thought those boinger 7's were so sweet they didn't care what the greater rotary community thought?
It appears the overall assumption in here is that HP / $ is the goal. Well, its not safe to assume.
Some of those who choose the "easier" or "cheaper" path seek justification for their choice via bashing
What they fail to realize is on the other side of the fence, no f*cks were given to $ or ultimate HP goal, rather all f*cks were given to preserving the nature of the RX-7's spirit. And that doesn't equal hating v8's.
All this thread has turned into is a rotary bash fest. Great way to bring down morals around here.
So basically this is how I look at it.
The morons are entitled to their opinions. With that said they are also the ones who have never fully experienced rotarys. They claim they had a car blah blah and it blew up blah blah it had a bazillion hp blah blah and then it blew up. Those are the people who take it to the cheapest place, use the cheapest parts and tune themselves even though they have no idea what they are doing.
As for hp #'s who gives a **** if its a 700 $250,000 f1 engine or a $10k 700hp k series honda engine. People do the swaps for the enjoyment.
You can spend 250k on a lambo that a 400hp $5,000 honda can beat.
You haters must go to car shows all the time and tell people how stupid you think some of the parts on there car is or isnt...
The ls motors ARE NOT any more reliable than a properly built rotary.
As for a 20b swap its just a unicorn type of swap. It sounds great, has torque and makes good power.
When a stock block Ls1 motor runs low 7's and high 6's then I will be impressed..... its been proven over and over at the same power levels the rotary always wins.
All this thread has turned into is a rotary bash fest. Great way to bring down morals around here.
So basically this is how I look at it.
The morons are entitled to their opinions. With that said they are also the ones who have never fully experienced rotarys. They claim they had a car blah blah and it blew up blah blah it had a bazillion hp blah blah and then it blew up. Those are the people who take it to the cheapest place, use the cheapest parts and tune themselves even though they have no idea what they are doing.
As for hp #'s who gives a **** if its a 700 $250,000 f1 engine or a $10k 700hp k series honda engine. People do the swaps for the enjoyment.
You can spend 250k on a lambo that a 400hp $5,000 honda can beat.
You haters must go to car shows all the time and tell people how stupid you think some of the parts on there car is or isnt...
The ls motors ARE NOT any more reliable than a properly built rotary.
As for a 20b swap its just a unicorn type of swap. It sounds great, has torque and makes good power.
When a stock block Ls1 motor runs low 7's and high 6's then I will be impressed..... its been proven over and over at the same power levels the rotary always wins.
If anyone can comment on building a rx-7 correctly, its this guy right here!
The rotary's name is tarnishing because we see the problems faced by 20 yr old engineering. Most people posting on the forums are searching for help for broken sh*t. This gives false illusion. This is then supported by the few of those in the v8 crowd that have an ego problem. Giving a false illusion that the rotary is a waste of time and effort.
I like the V8 better. Does that mean I am doing a cover up tat?...of course not. The rotary is a cool little engine as I have owned 9 Rx7s over a span of 18 years.
For my time, money, and power goals....the 416ci LS3 made all the sense in the world.
My current rx7 weighs 2760 with driver and full tank of e85. V8, 4speed auto, Turbo, 8.8 IRS swap, caged. If I swapped to a stick(t56) it would be ~150#s less. It has full stereo, sub in box with amp( another 40-50pounds). Would be in the 25XX range or lower EZ as a road race car although I wouldn't stay turbo a procharger would be a better fit.
I've had:
93, 13b Streetport stock twins -> started a 20b swap then parted it out
93, 13b Streetport 99 twins -> Larger port and 40r -> NA LS3 -> Turbo LS3
93, 13b stockport 99s, blew a whole rotor, sold it
84, 13b GSLE, gave to a friend
94, came ls6 swapped, parted
93, 13b large port 70trim, sold
I don't drive my cars lightly, they constantly are used at their fullest. The current LS3 has lasted the longest(4 years of abuse), we are even running it over 1000 at the crank 2.5x the factory rating.
Do you have any vids from tracks like sebring etc... Would love to see this car in action
All this thread has turned into is a rotary bash fest. Great way to bring down morals around here.
So basically this is how I look at it.
The morons are entitled to their opinions. With that said they are also the ones who have never fully experienced rotarys. They claim they had a car blah blah and it blew up blah blah it had a bazillion hp blah blah and then it blew up. Those are the people who take it to the cheapest place, use the cheapest parts and tune themselves even though they have no idea what they are doing.
As for hp #'s who gives a **** if its a 700 $250,000 f1 engine or a $10k 700hp k series honda engine. People do the swaps for the enjoyment.
You can spend 250k on a lambo that a 400hp $5,000 honda can beat.
You haters must go to car shows all the time and tell people how stupid you think some of the parts on there car is or isnt...
The ls motors ARE NOT any more reliable than a properly built rotary.
As for a 20b swap its just a unicorn type of swap. It sounds great, has torque and makes good power.
When a stock block Ls1 motor runs low 7's and high 6's then I will be impressed..... its been proven over and over at the same power levels the rotary always wins.
That's all any v8 vs rotary thread turns into because clearly the LS is the greatest.
Hell I'm sold. Can't wait to do the swap (NOT). Ridden in too many v8 cars and usually want to shoot myself after 2 laps from the nasty sound, rough nasty feeling push of the torque etc..etc.... It does make a lot of logical sense. BUT there is no sensation better than the angry bees sounds and furry topped off with being pushed faster and faster like a reverse sling shot affect.
All this thread has turned into is a rotary bash fest. Great way to bring down morals around here.
So basically this is how I look at it.
The morons are entitled to their opinions. With that said they are also the ones who have never fully experienced rotarys. They claim they had a car blah blah and it blew up blah blah it had a bazillion hp blah blah and then it blew up. Those are the people who take it to the cheapest place, use the cheapest parts and tune themselves even though they have no idea what they are doing.
As for hp #'s who gives a **** if its a 700 $250,000 f1 engine or a $10k 700hp k series honda engine. People do the swaps for the enjoyment.
You can spend 250k on a lambo that a 400hp $5,000 honda can beat.
You haters must go to car shows all the time and tell people how stupid you think some of the parts on there car is or isnt...
The ls motors ARE NOT any more reliable than a properly built rotary.
As for a 20b swap its just a unicorn type of swap. It sounds great, has torque and makes good power.
When a stock block Ls1 motor runs low 7's and high 6's then I will be impressed..... its been proven over and over at the same power levels the rotary always wins.
Wait, why are we talking about a stock block car? I'm just confused about the hate? A car is a personal choice and some people like the LS platform. How does that make it a worse car? Perhaps a good car to one person is a car they "get" to tinker on all the time, where another person just wants a pretty car to drive. Personally, I am in the middle, I like working on my car, but I also enjoy driving it. I don't recall a time when I haven't pushed my car to redline at least once per driving day.
To each there own, but for full out race cars (4 rotor car) there is a reason its a rare thing to see vs a V8 car. Just a thought.
Wait, why are we talking about a stock block car? I'm just confused about the hate? A car is a personal choice and some people like the LS platform. How does that make it a worse car? Perhaps a good car to one person is a car they "get" to tinker on all the time, where another person just wants a pretty car to drive. Personally, I am in the middle, I like working on my car, but I also enjoy driving it. I don't recall a time when I haven't pushed my car to redline at least once per driving day.
To each there own, but for full out race cars (4 rotor car) there is a reason its a rare thing to see vs a V8 car. Just a thought.
This genius silver6port isn't hating, rather he's showing support for all platforms. The confusion you may be seeing is those people who swap in a V8 and get all hard-up, bashing the original platform. If it wasn't for the 13b-rew, you wouldn't have an RX-7.
Look like you're from TN. Perhaps pay a visit sometime to Addicted Performance. You'll see some true enthusiast that build all platforms. They're doing a 20b swap for their shop car (because they love rotaries) and they're doing an LS7 swap for a customer.
I like the V8 better. Does that mean I am doing a cover up tat?...of course not. The rotary is a cool little engine as I have owned 9 Rx7s over a span of 18 years.
For my time, money, and power goals....the 416ci LS3 made all the sense in the world.
Happy motoring :-)
Finally the right attitude! I followed your single turbo build a few years back it was great.
Good to see its getting more positive in here and we can just talk about things.
I personally have done some fd ls swaps. I personally love them! Id love to have the two evils being my 20b car and a twin turbo Ls powered fd someday. They both offer something the other doesnt. Reliability is no different.
No matter what motor im asked to swap into a rx7 i will do it.
I SUPPORT THE RX7 AS A CAR.
Do you have any vids from tracks like sebring etc... Would love to see this car in action
Currently setup for 1/2+ mi drag racing. Having fun with this for a while. I will one day whenever David's car is together again we are going to have fun producing an yin/yang video showing the benefits of both swaps. He's going to crush my car on the road course
I think the haters have had enough, but just have to throw this out here.
For those that continue to argue that the rotary is a dinosaur POS,
The cost of the 3 Rotor has Tripled in the past 3 Years.
I purchased a D series from Okinawa 8 Months ago for 4.5K. Currently, one cannot find a D-series for less than 9K.
Supply is decreasing / demand is increasing.
Its time to turn-around the bad apple trend and show the real picture.
Whether you hate the engine or not, its a quickly appreciating asset while the car sits there not even running. Hell, its appreciating sitting outside the car on a pallet. Lets not overlook this fact.
Mark these words. In 10 years, the price of rotaries (13b and all the likes) will skyrocket. Those who stuck with the game will have a nice appreciation in value.
I think the haters have had enough, but just have to throw this out here.
For those that continue to argue that the rotary is a dinosaur POS,
The cost of the 3 Rotor has Tripled in the past 3 Years.
I purchased a D series from Okinawa 8 Months ago for 4.5K. Currently, one cannot find a D-series for less than 9K.
Supply is decreasing / demand is increasing.
Its time to turn-around the bad apple trend and show the real picture.
Whether you hate the engine or not, its a quickly appreciating asset while the car sits there not even running. Hell, its appreciating sitting outside the car on a pallet. Lets not overlook this fact.
Mark these words. In 10 years, the price of rotaries (13b and all the likes) will skyrocket. Those who stuck with the game will have a nice appreciation in value.
Couldn't have said it better myself. Can't wait to get my 3 rotor up and running in a month or so
I don't hate the rotary at all, it's just not for me. Said from the beginning its a cool idea, however I have been working with LS motors for a "relatively" long time. I know how to make an LS fast for cheap. And personally, that's what I want. I LOVE the RX7, the styling and handling are what I was after, I also love the LS platform. Hence combining them. I have seen some fast rotary car's and respect them, I just don't have the time, money, or patience to work on one. I spent the last few years making a fast Subaru. ~$10,000 in for 450AWHP. Sure it was neat, but it was still....a lot of money for a little power. $10,000 into a LS would be a 700whp car that is reliable.
Ack, my bad, looking over your posts you don't bash on the V8s.
FWIW, I do love rotaries, but feel safer traipsing across the country to go to different tracks in an LS car...
LOL
Hell I won't trailer my rotary track car past VIR or SPR because it fails or has a mechanical about 20 percent of the time LOL. I usually limp through the weekend but still it is not a car that instills any kind of confidence.
That said I've had issues with GT3s as well. No matter what you track you will have issues especially as you progress and start hammering on the car.
PS Just for the record my buddy Brent had more issues with his V8 than I did with my rotary. His was a newer build but still lots of things were breaking including the engine.
09-03-15, 11:27 AM
