I ran across this on ebay and it looks like its a pretty good deal. I have read both good and bad reviews of this company and am just curious if anyone is running this smic?

 

link???

 

I'll bet this is the one he saw...

https://www.rx7club.com/3rd-generation-specific-1993-2002-16/what-do-you-guys-think-smic-394929/

 

When are people going to realize you get what you pay for?! If you found it on ebay, chances are, its ****. If you can't afford a good intercooler, wait till you can. Its as simple as that folks. Also, search!! Just about every product for our car thats on ebay has been talked about on this forum.

-Alex

 

Brad, if they dont offer a good ducting system dont buy it unless you have someone in mind who can make you a ducting system. A larger intercooler with no ducting can not cool near as good as the stock IC with the stock ducting.

David

 

my bad here is the link: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...category=33632.

Thanks for the info guys.

 

Looks nice. Impossible to say how it will perform. I'm wondering how it will mount. There are no pics of the sides to see if there is any kind of mounting hardware.

I wouldn't buy it without more information. The seller should have more info for you.

 

That Intercooler core looks really nice(polished) the dimentions are the same as my M2/ASP Large. You Do need a duct. Luckily you can buy one for $200 from Pettit for their Cool Charge III, which is the same as the M2/ASp Large SMIC. Then you need piping and couplers. Maybe Kevin Wyum(ASP) will sell you just the pipes...Or you could order some std bends from those turbo shops, I forget the names(Search) for say $200.

That would save you a quite a bit of cash...$700 vs $1,500

 

oh no, here comes the e bay hatin again! I have bought quite a few things off of e-bay, and have had very good luck out of them. The pulley set w/belt works great for $29(just like the greddy), not to mention the strut tower bar($9)probably more for looks than anything. Hard intake pipes($25) short shifter($69), just like the gotham racing one. Im not saying that knockoffs are the way to go, but it sure makes it cheaper on the ole wallet. I have seen that M2 large intercooler knockoff from ebay in person, and it looked pretty good. all a person needs to do is make a sheet metal duct. Dont listen to these haters about ebay stuff, truth is MOST of it is just as good as the name brand stuff.

 

Question about this intercooler?

In the ebay auction it states that the length is 18". Is this the core length or the overall length including end tanks? The core looks square to me (L x H).

In the picture showing it installed the battery is still in the stock location, wouldn’t that mean it is more like the ASP medium in size with a core width of 12". Just an observation!

 

What's your reasoning for that statement? I've sold and bought quiet a few quality pieces off of ebay. Just because you've made some dumb purchases doesn't mean that everything sold on ebay is crap. But if you say "its ****" well then who am I to argue.

So you're hating on him because he's looking for a deal?

So you would have known about the previous thread if zullo hadn't posted it before your post? Riiiiiiight...

 

I never stated EVERYTHING was ****. I said just about every product. I was speaking of the company that makes this knock off. I should have been more clear. Oh, and I havn't made any purchases for my car from ebay.

I'm not hating on anyone. Alot of research goes into products, and I simply do not agree with knock offs. How would you feel if you spent alot of time and money on a product, and someone made a **** knock off of it for far less? People wonder why so many authentic manufacturers go under... I for one would not want to risk the chance of ******* my car up by going cheap on everything. Besides, more times than none, the saying "you get what you pay for" holds true.

Actually I did. Theres been alot of posts about this company. Search and i'm sure alot of threads will come up. Theres several in the Single Turbo section right now.

-Alex

 

No but you sure as hell implied. Let me jog your memory..."If you found it on ebay, chances are, its ****."

Yep, you should have.

So you have no first hand experience with buying parts from ebay, or this particular company, yet you choose to bash both? If you choose to ignore a great resource for quality aftermarket parts at a discount that's your choice. All it means is that you will pay more for the same thing. But like you said if it's on ebay "its ****".

If it's a "**** knock off" then no one will buy it and my ficticious company won't go under. If someone can offer a similar or exact replica product for a cheaper price and it performs the same then they are more efficient at producing it/or are offering it at a cheaper price because they aren't trying to achieve the same profit per a unit, but are aiming for a higher total expenditure (granted that brand name companys have to recover $ for R&D). It's economics. But if you feel better with your intercooler because you paid twice as much for the same thing, well good for you.

I agree, but that doesn't necessarilly mean that "If you found it on ebay, chances are, its ****."

Suuuure you did...

I agree that it is important to search for products that have been around a while, but we don't all troll ebay regularilly. There does seem to be a lot of recent threads on this company so I'm guessing there auctions on ebay are fairly new in which case it was safe for him to assume that this hadn't been discussed (atleast not at nausem).

And don't be mad, because I contradicted your statement and interfered with your post whoring binge.

 

Yea read close it says "chances are." It doesnt state that every knock off product is ****, just more then likley it is...


You're right.

If you search through the forums, you'll see several pictorial posts about how their products are made/put together. Its enough for me to draw a conclusion that they are ****. If a name brand product is on ebay, and is priced cheaper then through a dealer then I feel theres nothing wrong with that. No reason to pay more than what a product is worth. I simply feel that usually a knock off is not as good as an authentic. Example, how many knock off body kits do you see that fit as well as the original?! Do you have any experiance with their turbo kits, or intercoolers?! Who are you to say they arn't ****?


Totally untrue. If its an exact replica, the reason they can sell it cheaper is because they have no money in research so they don't have much to recover. That has nothing to do with being more efficient at producing a product. Nor does it have anything to do with trying to achieve less profit. I feel better in knowing that i'm paying someone for their research and product, instead of some theif trying to make a quick buck off someone elses product. If you choose not to then thats you, not me.


IMO, chances are, if its a knock off product sold on ebay its not as good as the original.

Must you make this into a **** match?!

It doesn't matter if its new or not, search. Assuming doesn't get you anywhere. If he would have simply searched, instead of assuming, he would have found his answers.

He asked about it, I stated my thoughts on it, no more no less. Theres no "whoring" about it. Your not bringing much to the table here, all your doing is tearing apart my posts, so I guess your "whoring" right beside me. I'm sure you'll probably tear it apart again, but really, i'm done. Its contributing nothing to the forum.

-Alex

 

I didn't say it did, let me quote myself, "...you sure as hell implied"

Well then why didn't you state that you'd seen these pictures and believe the quality to be sub par, while at the same time mentioning that you didn't have first hand experience with them? After all this question hasn't been discussed at nausem as much as say a downpipe installation. Instead your whole post made you come off as an ******* insulting someone looking to save a few bucks.

So now your changing your position after you stated that your thoughts of ebay items and felt it necessary to point this out; "Oh, and I havn't made any purchases for my car from ebay. "

This is not ALWAYS the case which is basically what my whole point was. You can't condemn a company based on how you feel about ebay products or the companies that operate through ebay. If you're gonna make a statement like that, have first hand experience, or a reason behind your thinking, or refer to somebody elses. As far as your example goes; a lot of people end up buying these kits, because the sanding and other prep work required to make them fit properly is still cheaper then buying the authentic. It may not be as good, but it achieves the same look for a fraction of the price. These kits wouldn't be around if there wasn't a demand for them.

Where did I say that I did? Where did I say that they weren't? I was just telling you not to judge them unless you did, I'm not defending or standing up for them at all and if you read my posts you'll see that not once to I endorse this intercooler or the manufacturer.

Do I have to quote myself again? "If someone can offer a similar or exact replica product for a cheaper price and it performs the same then they are more efficient at producing it/or are offering it at a cheaper price because they aren't trying to achieve the same profit per a unit, but are aiming for a higher total expenditure (granted that brand name companys have to recover $ for R&D)." This is basic economics.

People taking other peoples designs and doing whats best for them is characteristic of a market economy, like it or not it's fact. And I never said that I endorsed brand names or "thiefs".


Now this sounds a lot better then, "If you found it on ebay, chances are, its ****."
and you don't come off as an ***.

And what search terms would you recommend? In most cases when people ask about an ebay item they title the thread, "Found this on ebay, what do you guys think" or something similar. Look at the thread in the single turbo you were talking about, asks for opinions on a turbo kit and gives a link to ebay. No mention of the company or specs, just a link. So unless you knew specifically about that thread then you wouldn't know what to search for would ya? Searching just ebay would give you a ton of results to browse through. There are times to tell someone to search (example, downpipe installation) and there are times to be a good rotorite and give them a helpful link. Besides who's to say that the same company doesn't make a good turbo kit, but makes a great intercooler?

Really, because you sure make a lot of assumptions about what I'm implying, don't ya?

Well you must feel high and mighty now. Let me tell you why I replied to your "thoughts"...

1) You came off as an *******
2) I've been seeing a lot of useless posts of you echoing and stating the obvious or incorrect info
3) You don't admit when you've made an incorrect or overstatement, but rather argue futiley

Whether or not you're going to admit that your statement was unfair and lacked support is up to you, but don't try and come off as the poor victim trying to help the forum with your uninforimitive posts.

 

back to the topic now... . the endtanks are smaller in diameter than most name brand IC's (2.5" vs 2.75" I believe). i'm no expert, but this would certainly cause some sort of flow restriction compared with the ASP IC.

 

It would be a great deal if the efficiency and pressure drops were comparable.

No one can how bad/good the core is unless there are some numbers.

I'm a fan of ebay and bought alot of component for FD's and FC's and quite a few of those were knock offs.

 

I've noticed that a couple of these intercoolers have been purchased. Any chance those guys are on this board to give a review?

 

As moehler mentioned above, 2.5" tubing is a rather large boo boo, the entire OEM system is based on 2 3/4 diameters. They need a new tape measure as well by looking at the listed specs. I did find the language a good lesson in marketing that I might have to use for myself (sarcasm) "Super Intercooler with Super Bar & Plate, Super Huge thick, brand new... 100% aluminum.

BUY FROM THE LEADER IN ALL OUT SUPER PERFORMANCE
WE KNOW WHAT YOU NEED
WE KNOW THE NEED FOR POWER"

Does someone sell used aluminum?

Kevin T. Wyum

P.S. I only sell the air pump pipe on it's own, can't sell you the other side or duct sorry. Best thing is to probably just let someone buy one.

Here's some contact information since people were complaining about it on ebay.

SS Auto Chrome, Inc.817 Beaver Dam RdCreedmoor, NC 27522Telephone: (919) 528-1739Fax: (919) 528-1739

Principal:Ms. Tonya Herring, Vice President File Open Date:January 2002Incorporated:April 2001, NC TOB Classification:Auto Parts & Supplies-NewBBB Membership:This company is not a member.
Customer Experience

The Bureau has processed 11 complaints about this company in the last 36 months concerning refund issues. Six of those were processed in the last 12 months. All the complaints were resolved.


Company Management

Additional company management personnel include:
Additional DBAs, Addresses and Telephone Numbers

Additional AddressesPO Box 828
Creedmoor, NC 27522

 

Isn't the stock piping 2.5 inches?

 

Nope, 2.75" diameter. And since area increases exponentially this is a some what significant discrepancy.