One piece carbon fiber front end. Anyone?
08-28-02, 10:21 PM
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oh come on guys 
you know, if you got it and took it to the shows you could wow the judges and beat all the other tricked out hondas cause you would just have SO MUCH CARBON FIBER! damn then get a carbon fiber wing and some door handles, and those tools they call judges will be giving you trophies right and left....
no but seriously, if i had the $$ i would love to have an FD with a completely CF shell, i think that would just kick ***... (not for street, autocross and such)
you know, if you got it and took it to the shows you could wow the judges and beat all the other tricked out hondas cause you would just have SO MUCH CARBON FIBER! damn then get a carbon fiber wing and some door handles, and those tools they call judges will be giving you trophies right and left....no but seriously, if i had the $$ i would love to have an FD with a completely CF shell, i think that would just kick ***... (not for street, autocross and such)
08-30-02, 04:22 PM
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The spot for the light is cut out as you can see on the Panspeed one. You can use any kind of headlight kit you want, even the stock one.
Most track car's body is made of carbon fiber or fiberglass such as on NASCAR, F1, etc. Even the Corvett comes with the fiberglass body from the factory. There is nothing made of urethane. If you know someone, please give us an example, not from your imagination. For drag racing, there is plenty of cars using the one piece fron end made of carbon fiber, Adam's NSX with full carbon fiber shell, AEM Civic with fiberglass one piece from end. Abel's 20B RX-7 with one piece front end, APEX drag integra with one piece front end.
if you crash, you worry about the carbon fiber cutting your belts? If you crash hard enough, your whole front of the body will crash into your engine, and you will probalby have pulleys to replace, not just belts.
The most funny thing is that you requested me to make a carbon fiber front for you and now you are all against it again? What's the reason this time?
Another thing I don't understand about your logic is that you are willing to put fiberglass or carbon fiber, bumper, fender, hood, on your car but when it's one piece, suddenly it's all bad. What's the logic behind this?
Chuck Huang
Most track car's body is made of carbon fiber or fiberglass such as on NASCAR, F1, etc. Even the Corvett comes with the fiberglass body from the factory. There is nothing made of urethane. If you know someone, please give us an example, not from your imagination. For drag racing, there is plenty of cars using the one piece fron end made of carbon fiber, Adam's NSX with full carbon fiber shell, AEM Civic with fiberglass one piece from end. Abel's 20B RX-7 with one piece front end, APEX drag integra with one piece front end.
if you crash, you worry about the carbon fiber cutting your belts? If you crash hard enough, your whole front of the body will crash into your engine, and you will probalby have pulleys to replace, not just belts.
The most funny thing is that you requested me to make a carbon fiber front for you and now you are all against it again? What's the reason this time?
Another thing I don't understand about your logic is that you are willing to put fiberglass or carbon fiber, bumper, fender, hood, on your car but when it's one piece, suddenly it's all bad. What's the logic behind this?
Chuck Huang
Originally posted by BlackR1
30lbs isnt much of a weight reduction. You still have to fabricate some latches so the front end will be secure to the chassis without too much wobble, make accomodations for lights, etc etc.
Generally, a one piece front end's benefits are for easier access to the engine bay as well as other components. Weight reduction is a plus, but it's not significant enough to be the sole purpose of buying such a kit. As DomFD3s already stated, it would not be good for any crash, track or not.
If a hit is hard enough, the carbon fiber will shatter... I dont know if anyone wants any carbon fiber shrapnel tearing into the belts. I think most track cars with removable panels are made of polyurethane because there is always some kind of bumping and rubbing involved in hard core track racing.
30lbs isnt much of a weight reduction. You still have to fabricate some latches so the front end will be secure to the chassis without too much wobble, make accomodations for lights, etc etc.
Generally, a one piece front end's benefits are for easier access to the engine bay as well as other components. Weight reduction is a plus, but it's not significant enough to be the sole purpose of buying such a kit. As DomFD3s already stated, it would not be good for any crash, track or not.
If a hit is hard enough, the carbon fiber will shatter... I dont know if anyone wants any carbon fiber shrapnel tearing into the belts. I think most track cars with removable panels are made of polyurethane because there is always some kind of bumping and rubbing involved in hard core track racing.
08-30-02, 04:27 PM
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You said it's not street usable so I just tell you I don't mean for it to be used on the street at the first place. Your comment leads to reply. As simple as that.
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Originally posted by DomFD3S
I just stated the obvious benefits of metal body panels versus carbon fiber. (I never said anything else in regards to your target customer, etc...)
While the idea of carbon fiber can be good, the application and use of it is a totally different matter.
I just stated the obvious benefits of metal body panels versus carbon fiber. (I never said anything else in regards to your target customer, etc...)
While the idea of carbon fiber can be good, the application and use of it is a totally different matter.
08-30-02, 04:29 PM
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Don't know what style of hood and bumper at this time. Need to get some interest going first before we talk about style.
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Originally posted by fdracer
hey what style front bumper is gonna go w/ this.
hey what style front bumper is gonna go w/ this.
08-30-02, 04:36 PM
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Your comments sounds like this: "God... I had this idea of 3rd gen RX-7 when Mazda first made the 2nd Gen RX-7. But Mazda made the 3rd gen before me but seriously, I had this idea for 15 years already!"
People are full of ideas. Yours isn't original either. One piece front end has been out before you were even born. Right now there is interest on it so I am thinking about making it. I had my RX-7 for 8 years and I thought about it 8 years ago but it's only now, I have customer requesting such a product. The bottom line is I can have it done, you can't. Where is your one piece front end now??
People are full of ideas. Yours isn't original either. One piece front end has been out before you were even born. Right now there is interest on it so I am thinking about making it. I had my RX-7 for 8 years and I thought about it 8 years ago but it's only now, I have customer requesting such a product. The bottom line is I can have it done, you can't. Where is your one piece front end now??
Originally posted by DK
God ... I had this idea what ... 4 years ago?
God ... I had this idea what ... 4 years ago?
08-30-02, 04:39 PM
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Yup, if you go to car shows with one piece carbon fiber front end, you will win for sure. I know right now they have pay out up to $2000 for 1st place. Win 2-3 car shows and you got your money back already.
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Originally posted by stokedxiv
oh come on guys you know, if you got it and took it to the shows you could wow the judges and beat all the other tricked out hondas cause you would just have SO MUCH CARBON FIBER! damn then get a carbon fiber wing and some door handles, and those tools they call judges will be giving you trophies right and left....
no but seriously, if i had the $$ i would love to have an FD with a completely CF shell, i think that would just kick ***... (not for street, autocross and such)
oh come on guys
you know, if you got it and took it to the shows you could wow the judges and beat all the other tricked out hondas cause you would just have SO MUCH CARBON FIBER! damn then get a carbon fiber wing and some door handles, and those tools they call judges will be giving you trophies right and left....no but seriously, if i had the $$ i would love to have an FD with a completely CF shell, i think that would just kick ***... (not for street, autocross and such)
08-30-02, 04:48 PM
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Make an RE front end one piece or whatever and I will seriously consider buying one. Or feed, oh and for hood scoot or knightsports.
08-30-02, 04:50 PM
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Originally posted by rotaryextreme
Your comments sounds like this: "God... I had this idea of 3rd gen RX-7 when Mazda first made the 2nd Gen RX-7. But Mazda made the 3rd gen before me but seriously, I had this idea for 15 years already!"
People are full of ideas. Yours isn't original either. One piece front end has been out before you were even born. Right now there is interest on it so I am thinking about making it. I had my RX-7 for 8 years and I thought about it 8 years ago but it's only now, I have customer requesting such a product. The bottom line is I can have it done, you can't. Where is your one piece front end now??
Your comments sounds like this: "God... I had this idea of 3rd gen RX-7 when Mazda first made the 2nd Gen RX-7. But Mazda made the 3rd gen before me but seriously, I had this idea for 15 years already!"
People are full of ideas. Yours isn't original either. One piece front end has been out before you were even born. Right now there is interest on it so I am thinking about making it. I had my RX-7 for 8 years and I thought about it 8 years ago but it's only now, I have customer requesting such a product. The bottom line is I can have it done, you can't. Where is your one piece front end now??
08-30-02, 07:01 PM
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Build it and I'll take one. But it has to be soon or I will have to do it in peices. Give me an idea of timeline and I can get you a deposit. Please use epoxy resin. No need to make mine clearcoatable. Clear carbon is not my thing.
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THE CF PANSPEED ONE IS PRICEY>>>> ITS NOT THEIR PRICE, ITS THE PRICE OF THE MAKER HERE. PANSPEED IS LOOKING FOR A NEW CF DEALER HERE IN JAPAN, AND WHEN THEY DO IT WILL BE CHEAPER.
IM NOT EVEN GOING TO SAY THE PRICE>>>
CHUCKS IS A GOOD DEAL, BUT I WOULD NEVER DRIVE IT ON THE STREET..
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IM NOT EVEN GOING TO SAY THE PRICE>>>
CHUCKS IS A GOOD DEAL, BUT I WOULD NEVER DRIVE IT ON THE STREET..
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I have seen a few Curcuit cars GTRS made out of CF all the way around. YOU KNOW WHAT? They still get stomped by a RX7 FD made out of Aluminum.
Like Chuck said, it would be good for show. If it gets FRUCKED up in an accident though, how are you going to explain it was $3000 illegal front end?haha
I say keep it on the showroom floor, or the car show grass.. PLUS if that catchs on fire during a race, it dont come off easy, you can just pop the hood anymore, you get to watch it burn... JUST LIKE PANSPEEDS CAR DID!
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Like Chuck said, it would be good for show. If it gets FRUCKED up in an accident though, how are you going to explain it was $3000 illegal front end?haha
I say keep it on the showroom floor, or the car show grass.. PLUS if that catchs on fire during a race, it dont come off easy, you can just pop the hood anymore, you get to watch it burn... JUST LIKE PANSPEEDS CAR DID!
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exactly what canman said, it will be easy to screw up in anything other than a full time show car, or tube frame drag car. All those cars you mentioned are tube frame cars used for drag racing only.
It's a bit pretentious of you to assume that I am going out of my way to personally shoot down your product. There is not a single instance in this thread where I am saying "Don't buy Chuck Huang's products, they're shoddy!" I am simply stating the obvious-- listing the pros and cons for such a setup. I would have said the same thing whether or not the product was from you, jimlab, rx7store or anyone for that matter. If I was out to personally single out and attack your products I would have said something about your replica sleek light kit, which I did not.
Pros: easy to remove for work on any suspension/brake/engine components, 'tyte' factor, 'some' weight reduction (you can save 30 lbs from the front by simply relocating a battery, which costs about 50-200 bucks)
Cons: can shatter, catch on fire, impossible to repair and regain rigidity if it cracks, expensive.
SCCA GT3 class race cars. They are tube frame track cars, yet but the majority use poly or fiberglass body panels. I can't remember his full name for the life of me, i'll have to find him...Earl something...but he has a shop here in Lawndale with an SCCA prepped yellow 240sx, with poly front end panels.
About the crashing, it's not about how hard you crash...if a crash is bad enough everything will break-- that much is obvious to anyone. The fact that a mere 5-10 mph hit is going to crack or warp the front end, or tear off a latch is something that should be considered for anyone who is going to buy it. You said it yourself "carbon fiber is very difficult to work with"
If a carbon fiber piece cracks, or gets warped...it's pretty much impossible to repair. It's cool if people want to buy it-- but they should know what they're getting into. The cost to benefit ratio just doesnt seem to justify itself unless you are a dedicated show or track car... which 99% of FD's are not.
kudos to the cost, $3000 would be extremely affordable for a full carbon fiber front end... but i dont see the logic in throwing up a quote when there has not been any hard production or r&d costs which are typically used in determining a base price for a unit.
It's a bit pretentious of you to assume that I am going out of my way to personally shoot down your product. There is not a single instance in this thread where I am saying "Don't buy Chuck Huang's products, they're shoddy!" I am simply stating the obvious-- listing the pros and cons for such a setup. I would have said the same thing whether or not the product was from you, jimlab, rx7store or anyone for that matter. If I was out to personally single out and attack your products I would have said something about your replica sleek light kit, which I did not.
Pros: easy to remove for work on any suspension/brake/engine components, 'tyte' factor, 'some' weight reduction (you can save 30 lbs from the front by simply relocating a battery, which costs about 50-200 bucks)
Cons: can shatter, catch on fire, impossible to repair and regain rigidity if it cracks, expensive.
SCCA GT3 class race cars. They are tube frame track cars, yet but the majority use poly or fiberglass body panels. I can't remember his full name for the life of me, i'll have to find him...Earl something...but he has a shop here in Lawndale with an SCCA prepped yellow 240sx, with poly front end panels.
About the crashing, it's not about how hard you crash...if a crash is bad enough everything will break-- that much is obvious to anyone. The fact that a mere 5-10 mph hit is going to crack or warp the front end, or tear off a latch is something that should be considered for anyone who is going to buy it. You said it yourself "carbon fiber is very difficult to work with"
If a carbon fiber piece cracks, or gets warped...it's pretty much impossible to repair. It's cool if people want to buy it-- but they should know what they're getting into. The cost to benefit ratio just doesnt seem to justify itself unless you are a dedicated show or track car... which 99% of FD's are not.
kudos to the cost, $3000 would be extremely affordable for a full carbon fiber front end... but i dont see the logic in throwing up a quote when there has not been any hard production or r&d costs which are typically used in determining a base price for a unit.
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damn man i see 3k and i think oh **** when is my motor/tranny/turbo gonna blow and im gonna need that much for repairs. not ojh damn lemme get a one piece front end. noooo that is what i dream about
08-31-02, 01:07 AM
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If you have the sideskirts, you should cut it where the door meets the fender. The Mazda OEM 99 Spec sideskirts is two piece so it's still easy to take off the fender even if you install the sideskirts. The other one that's is this style is the RE Amemiya AD 2 fender and AD 2 sideskirts.
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Originally posted by fdracer
yeah i know, everyone's had an idea for a 1 pc. front end. plus the fd is the perfect car for it cause it doesn't have wrap around headlights which make a 1 pc. front a bitch to integrate. how is the fender gonna be integrated behind the wheel well? i say have it be detachable about halfway up the fender (maybe at the brake vent?), because some people have side skirts that are bolted on the the bottom of the front fender.
yeah i know, everyone's had an idea for a 1 pc. front end. plus the fd is the perfect car for it cause it doesn't have wrap around headlights which make a 1 pc. front a bitch to integrate. how is the fender gonna be integrated behind the wheel well? i say have it be detachable about halfway up the fender (maybe at the brake vent?), because some people have side skirts that are bolted on the the bottom of the front fender.
08-31-02, 01:12 AM
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I can't just build it and waiting for someone to buy it. The invenstment is too great of a deal. I need someone who is willing to prepay up front or this is not going to happen. I can have it made with fire proof epoxy resin but it's going to cost $500 more simply because the fire proof expoxy resin is more expensive. If you prepay, I can have it finished within 2 months so you can go to the SEMA show with it.
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Originally posted by RX Steve
Build it and I'll take one. But it has to be soon or I will have to do it in peices. Give me an idea of timeline and I can get you a deposit. Please use epoxy resin. No need to make mine clearcoatable. Clear carbon is not my thing.
Steve
Build it and I'll take one. But it has to be soon or I will have to do it in peices. Give me an idea of timeline and I can get you a deposit. Please use epoxy resin. No need to make mine clearcoatable. Clear carbon is not my thing.
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08-31-02, 01:17 AM
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If you can find me 20 pre-paid buyers, I can make it. The only problem is the cast teardrop base. I haven't got a source to make cast aluminum parts. The base will be made out of aluminum plate and the stand will be made out of CNC of Laser cut T6061 billet aluminum. Wing will be in fiberglass or carbon fiber upon your request.
Fiberglass: $600
Carbon fiber: $850
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Fiberglass: $600
Carbon fiber: $850
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Originally posted by t-rex7
sorry to go off of the topic, but if you are looking for projects there is a demand for the mazdaspeed gt-c wing. i think a copy would be a big seller
sorry to go off of the topic, but if you are looking for projects there is a demand for the mazdaspeed gt-c wing. i think a copy would be a big seller
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damn.. this is funny... people bug Chuck to make this and now he gets attacked...
The way I see it... at least he tries to cater to what we want and we all won't agree...
I would love to have the one piece front.. but I wouldn't buy one personally.. damn.. who would spend 1750 on an original FEED bumper?
I already gave my requests to Chuck and I can see how he loves to help...
Chuck.... now make me my lambo door kit!!!! LOL
The way I see it... at least he tries to cater to what we want and we all won't agree...
I would love to have the one piece front.. but I wouldn't buy one personally.. damn.. who would spend 1750 on an original FEED bumper?
I already gave my requests to Chuck and I can see how he loves to help...
Chuck.... now make me my lambo door kit!!!! LOL
08-31-02, 01:57 AM
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BlackR1:
I am just correcting your statements or other people's statement. Some said it's only for track car so I gave them example of the drag cars and some said it's only for drag cars and I gave them the example of track cars.
What do you want to say about my light kit? Do you want to say that it's so affordable and beats RE Amemiya's lighting by 200% and price is only 50%?
Carbon fiber is hard to work with only if you have to keep the pattern straight. If customer don't care about distorting the pattern, carbon fiber is very easy to work with. It's just like fiberglass cloth. I know you don't understand how it works since you have no experience with composite work. Actually if it's cracks, it can be fixed easier than metal. I can simply put it back in the mold and fix it from there. I have a connection that makes carbon fiber parts for Indy cars and their specialty is to fix those cracked panels. It's cheaper than buying a new one.
If you want Indy Car quality one piece front end, fire proof, etc, I can have it made. The front end will be vacuum formed, with honeycomb structure, and autoclaved. You can freaking hit it with a hammer and it's not going to crack. You can drop 40lb weight on it and it's not going to crack. The cost will be $20, 000 each and the weight will be only 10-15lbs. Any one interested? I don't think so. It's the price that matters, not really what I am capable of.
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I am just correcting your statements or other people's statement. Some said it's only for track car so I gave them example of the drag cars and some said it's only for drag cars and I gave them the example of track cars.
What do you want to say about my light kit? Do you want to say that it's so affordable and beats RE Amemiya's lighting by 200% and price is only 50%?
Carbon fiber is hard to work with only if you have to keep the pattern straight. If customer don't care about distorting the pattern, carbon fiber is very easy to work with. It's just like fiberglass cloth. I know you don't understand how it works since you have no experience with composite work. Actually if it's cracks, it can be fixed easier than metal. I can simply put it back in the mold and fix it from there. I have a connection that makes carbon fiber parts for Indy cars and their specialty is to fix those cracked panels. It's cheaper than buying a new one.
If you want Indy Car quality one piece front end, fire proof, etc, I can have it made. The front end will be vacuum formed, with honeycomb structure, and autoclaved. You can freaking hit it with a hammer and it's not going to crack. You can drop 40lb weight on it and it's not going to crack. The cost will be $20, 000 each and the weight will be only 10-15lbs. Any one interested? I don't think so. It's the price that matters, not really what I am capable of.
Chuck Huang
Originally posted by BlackR1
exactly what canman said, it will be easy to screw up in anything other than a full time show car, or tube frame drag car. All those cars you mentioned are tube frame cars used for drag racing only.
It's a bit pretentious of you to assume that I am going out of my way to personally shoot down your product. There is not a single instance in this thread where I am saying "Don't buy Chuck Huang's products, they're shoddy!" I am simply stating the obvious-- listing the pros and cons for such a setup. I would have said the same thing whether or not the product was from you, jimlab, rx7store or anyone for that matter. If I was out to personally single out and attack your products I would have said something about your replica sleek light kit, which I did not.
Pros: easy to remove for work on any suspension/brake/engine components, 'tyte' factor, 'some' weight reduction (you can save 30 lbs from the front by simply relocating a battery, which costs about 50-200 bucks)
Cons: can shatter, catch on fire, impossible to repair and regain rigidity if it cracks, expensive.
SCCA GT3 class race cars. They are tube frame track cars, yet but the majority use poly or fiberglass body panels. I can't remember his full name for the life of me, i'll have to find him...Earl something...but he has a shop here in Lawndale with an SCCA prepped yellow 240sx, with poly front end panels.
About the crashing, it's not about how hard you crash...if a crash is bad enough everything will break-- that much is obvious to anyone. The fact that a mere 5-10 mph hit is going to crack or warp the front end, or tear off a latch is something that should be considered for anyone who is going to buy it. You said it yourself "carbon fiber is very difficult to work with"
If a carbon fiber piece cracks, or gets warped...it's pretty much impossible to repair. It's cool if people want to buy it-- but they should know what they're getting into. The cost to benefit ratio just doesnt seem to justify itself unless you are a dedicated show or track car... which 99% of FD's are not.
kudos to the cost, $3000 would be extremely affordable for a full carbon fiber front end... but i dont see the logic in throwing up a quote when there has not been any hard production or r&d costs which are typically used in determining a base price for a unit.
exactly what canman said, it will be easy to screw up in anything other than a full time show car, or tube frame drag car. All those cars you mentioned are tube frame cars used for drag racing only.
It's a bit pretentious of you to assume that I am going out of my way to personally shoot down your product. There is not a single instance in this thread where I am saying "Don't buy Chuck Huang's products, they're shoddy!" I am simply stating the obvious-- listing the pros and cons for such a setup. I would have said the same thing whether or not the product was from you, jimlab, rx7store or anyone for that matter. If I was out to personally single out and attack your products I would have said something about your replica sleek light kit, which I did not.
Pros: easy to remove for work on any suspension/brake/engine components, 'tyte' factor, 'some' weight reduction (you can save 30 lbs from the front by simply relocating a battery, which costs about 50-200 bucks)
Cons: can shatter, catch on fire, impossible to repair and regain rigidity if it cracks, expensive.
SCCA GT3 class race cars. They are tube frame track cars, yet but the majority use poly or fiberglass body panels. I can't remember his full name for the life of me, i'll have to find him...Earl something...but he has a shop here in Lawndale with an SCCA prepped yellow 240sx, with poly front end panels.
About the crashing, it's not about how hard you crash...if a crash is bad enough everything will break-- that much is obvious to anyone. The fact that a mere 5-10 mph hit is going to crack or warp the front end, or tear off a latch is something that should be considered for anyone who is going to buy it. You said it yourself "carbon fiber is very difficult to work with"
If a carbon fiber piece cracks, or gets warped...it's pretty much impossible to repair. It's cool if people want to buy it-- but they should know what they're getting into. The cost to benefit ratio just doesnt seem to justify itself unless you are a dedicated show or track car... which 99% of FD's are not.
kudos to the cost, $3000 would be extremely affordable for a full carbon fiber front end... but i dont see the logic in throwing up a quote when there has not been any hard production or r&d costs which are typically used in determining a base price for a unit.
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Originally posted by rotaryextreme
Your comments sounds like this: "God... I had this idea of 3rd gen RX-7 when Mazda first made the 2nd Gen RX-7. But Mazda made the 3rd gen before me but seriously, I had this idea for 15 years already!"
People are full of ideas. Yours isn't original either. One piece front end has been out before you were even born. Right now there is interest on it so I am thinking about making it. I had my RX-7 for 8 years and I thought about it 8 years ago but it's only now, I have customer requesting such a product. The bottom line is I can have it done, you can't. Where is your one piece front end now??
Your comments sounds like this: "God... I had this idea of 3rd gen RX-7 when Mazda first made the 2nd Gen RX-7. But Mazda made the 3rd gen before me but seriously, I had this idea for 15 years already!"
People are full of ideas. Yours isn't original either. One piece front end has been out before you were even born. Right now there is interest on it so I am thinking about making it. I had my RX-7 for 8 years and I thought about it 8 years ago but it's only now, I have customer requesting such a product. The bottom line is I can have it done, you can't. Where is your one piece front end now??
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Originally posted by DK
You sure are defensive, Chuck. Nice business tactic. I wasn't being insulting, and I know a one-piece is not an original idea of mine ... I'm not stupid. Nice job trying to belittle me. This customer of yours is not the first person to mention the one-piece front end to you for the FD as you said ... I mentioned it to you nearly 3 years ago on the telephone and had the idea a year before that, and had long since thought it was a stupid idea for a street car. I would have no problem doing it, I could actually do it myself because I have those skills ... or "have it done" if you must, but what a big person you must feel like telling someone that they can't do something and you, the almighty Chuck "Tyte Ryde Knockoff Parts" Huang. Way to represent the RX-7 community, Chuck ... insulting not only a member, but someone who's been around a long time. My point is non-offensively, as simple as my first statement -- it's an old idea. You went and decided to be a dick about it ... good businessman.
You sure are defensive, Chuck. Nice business tactic. I wasn't being insulting, and I know a one-piece is not an original idea of mine ... I'm not stupid. Nice job trying to belittle me. This customer of yours is not the first person to mention the one-piece front end to you for the FD as you said ... I mentioned it to you nearly 3 years ago on the telephone and had the idea a year before that, and had long since thought it was a stupid idea for a street car. I would have no problem doing it, I could actually do it myself because I have those skills ... or "have it done" if you must, but what a big person you must feel like telling someone that they can't do something and you, the almighty Chuck "Tyte Ryde Knockoff Parts" Huang. Way to represent the RX-7 community, Chuck ... insulting not only a member, but someone who's been around a long time. My point is non-offensively, as simple as my first statement -- it's an old idea. You went and decided to be a dick about it ... good businessman.
08-31-02, 04:01 PM
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1. It's never meant for the street. I already said it's not street legal so what's you point saying it's stupid for the street, blah blah blah? is
2. Your statement of "God, I thought of it 4 year ago". What's that supposed to mean? How is your statement constructive or even mean anything. So we all know the master of bodykit, DK has this idea 4 years ago that me and my customer are just stupid?
3. I don't care if you have the skill or what. You can tell me you can build a space shuttle at your backyard but so far, I see nothing made by you. All I see is talk. Talk is cheap you know, especially on the internet.
4. I don't think I ever talked to you on the phone. At least let me have your name so my memeory can be refreshed a little.
5. How am I insulting you? Did I call you names? You have been around for a long time? Good for you. Should I call you RX-7 Master now? I don't care. You are not my friend and you are not my customer and I know you will never be one. You only come to my threads to say something unconstructive for numerous times.
6. Let's do a reality check. Indeed there are bad vendors and good vendors. On the contrary, thre are bad customers and good customers. You are not even my customer so I don't even know where to classify you. You have no right to question my business tactics as far as I see, I am very successful. If I am losing business, can I afford to release a new product every month? And don't forget I am making my bodykit to fit right and I back up my products, unlike your selling cheap, not fitting properly bodykits to customers to make a few bucks. If you want to talk about moral standard or business tactics, I think I am better at it than you are. At least I don't hear customers bitching at me about the quality of my stuff. Have those Honda customers of yours bitch at you about their bodykit not fitting properly? Did you give them the refund or you just keep the money and say screw you?
7. People want to see, not just listen. You can say whatever you want or how great you are but in reality, I don't see nothing done from you. I espeically hate those people hiding behind their monitor talking crap. You are just one of them.
Chuck Huang
1. It's never meant for the street. I already said it's not street legal so what's you point saying it's stupid for the street, blah blah blah? is
2. Your statement of "God, I thought of it 4 year ago". What's that supposed to mean? How is your statement constructive or even mean anything. So we all know the master of bodykit, DK has this idea 4 years ago that me and my customer are just stupid?
3. I don't care if you have the skill or what. You can tell me you can build a space shuttle at your backyard but so far, I see nothing made by you. All I see is talk. Talk is cheap you know, especially on the internet.
4. I don't think I ever talked to you on the phone. At least let me have your name so my memeory can be refreshed a little.
5. How am I insulting you? Did I call you names? You have been around for a long time? Good for you. Should I call you RX-7 Master now? I don't care. You are not my friend and you are not my customer and I know you will never be one. You only come to my threads to say something unconstructive for numerous times.
6. Let's do a reality check. Indeed there are bad vendors and good vendors. On the contrary, thre are bad customers and good customers. You are not even my customer so I don't even know where to classify you. You have no right to question my business tactics as far as I see, I am very successful. If I am losing business, can I afford to release a new product every month? And don't forget I am making my bodykit to fit right and I back up my products, unlike your selling cheap, not fitting properly bodykits to customers to make a few bucks. If you want to talk about moral standard or business tactics, I think I am better at it than you are. At least I don't hear customers bitching at me about the quality of my stuff. Have those Honda customers of yours bitch at you about their bodykit not fitting properly? Did you give them the refund or you just keep the money and say screw you?
7. People want to see, not just listen. You can say whatever you want or how great you are but in reality, I don't see nothing done from you. I espeically hate those people hiding behind their monitor talking crap. You are just one of them.
Chuck Huang
Originally posted by DK
You sure are defensive, Chuck. Nice business tactic. I wasn't being insulting, and I know a one-piece is not an original idea of mine ... I'm not stupid. Nice job trying to belittle me. This customer of yours is not the first person to mention the one-piece front end to you for the FD as you said ... I mentioned it to you nearly 3 years ago on the telephone and had the idea a year before that, and had long since thought it was a stupid idea for a street car. I would have no problem doing it, I could actually do it myself because I have those skills ... or "have it done" if you must, but what a big person you must feel like telling someone that they can't do something and you, the almighty Chuck "Tyte Ryde Knockoff Parts" Huang. Way to represent the RX-7 community, Chuck ... insulting not only a member, but someone who's been around a long time. My point is non-offensively, as simple as my first statement -- it's an old idea. You went and decided to be a dick about it ... good businessman.
You sure are defensive, Chuck. Nice business tactic. I wasn't being insulting, and I know a one-piece is not an original idea of mine ... I'm not stupid. Nice job trying to belittle me. This customer of yours is not the first person to mention the one-piece front end to you for the FD as you said ... I mentioned it to you nearly 3 years ago on the telephone and had the idea a year before that, and had long since thought it was a stupid idea for a street car. I would have no problem doing it, I could actually do it myself because I have those skills ... or "have it done" if you must, but what a big person you must feel like telling someone that they can't do something and you, the almighty Chuck "Tyte Ryde Knockoff Parts" Huang. Way to represent the RX-7 community, Chuck ... insulting not only a member, but someone who's been around a long time. My point is non-offensively, as simple as my first statement -- it's an old idea. You went and decided to be a dick about it ... good businessman.
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Originally posted by BlackR1
30lbs isnt much of a weight reduction. You still have to fabricate some latches so the front end will be secure to the chassis without too much wobble, make accomodations for lights, etc etc.
Generally, a one piece front end's benefits are for easier access to the engine bay as well as other components. Weight reduction is a plus, but it's not significant enough to be the sole purpose of buying such a kit. As DomFD3s already stated, it would not be good for any crash, track or not.
If a hit is hard enough, the carbon fiber will shatter... I dont know if anyone wants any carbon fiber shrapnel tearing into the belts. I think most track cars with removable panels are made of polyurethane because there is always some kind of bumping and rubbing involved in hard core track racing.
30lbs isnt much of a weight reduction. You still have to fabricate some latches so the front end will be secure to the chassis without too much wobble, make accomodations for lights, etc etc.
Generally, a one piece front end's benefits are for easier access to the engine bay as well as other components. Weight reduction is a plus, but it's not significant enough to be the sole purpose of buying such a kit. As DomFD3s already stated, it would not be good for any crash, track or not.
If a hit is hard enough, the carbon fiber will shatter... I dont know if anyone wants any carbon fiber shrapnel tearing into the belts. I think most track cars with removable panels are made of polyurethane because there is always some kind of bumping and rubbing involved in hard core track racing.
Chuck, I would think most people remotely interested would rather save $1000 and have fiberglass instead of CF. Most would want to paint it anyway.
Wade
08-31-02, 09:20 PM
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Wade:
I haven't seen anything made in polyurethane as well. If polyurethane is good for bodypanels, the OEM factory would have been considering that. Thank you for your input on this.
I can make both versions. Either the fiberglass or the carbon fiber will be made with the same mold. I only need 5 people to make it happen. It has to be prepaid and once you are in, there is no out. I will have them done within 3 months. So the price will be
Fiberglass $2000
carbon fiber: $3000
Fireproof expoxy resin: add $500
For those who are serious, contact me and I will talk to you about the style of bumper, hood, and fender.
Chuck Huang
I haven't seen anything made in polyurethane as well. If polyurethane is good for bodypanels, the OEM factory would have been considering that. Thank you for your input on this.
I can make both versions. Either the fiberglass or the carbon fiber will be made with the same mold. I only need 5 people to make it happen. It has to be prepaid and once you are in, there is no out. I will have them done within 3 months. So the price will be
Fiberglass $2000
carbon fiber: $3000
Fireproof expoxy resin: add $500
For those who are serious, contact me and I will talk to you about the style of bumper, hood, and fender.
Chuck Huang
Originally posted by Wade
A CF front end won't "shatter", but it will break. I have yet to see a track car with polyurethane panels, it is heavy and expensive. I've only seen CF or fiberglass.
Chuck, I would think most people remotely interested would rather save $1000 and have fiberglass instead of CF. Most would want to paint it anyway.
Wade
A CF front end won't "shatter", but it will break. I have yet to see a track car with polyurethane panels, it is heavy and expensive. I've only seen CF or fiberglass.
Chuck, I would think most people remotely interested would rather save $1000 and have fiberglass instead of CF. Most would want to paint it anyway.
Wade