Non-sequential or simplified sequential for exclusive track use?
#1
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Non-sequential or simplified sequential for exclusive track use?
Hello there,
I know this has been beaten to death but I read a lot of threads and most people still drive their cars on the street. My FD will be a pure track car, so it will only see rpms above 4k.
Since my engine is out at the moment for a rebuild, I definitley will touch the rats nest and in my opinion, it would be stupid to make a full hose job leaving the sequential system the way it is. So the least I want to do for simplification is the simplified non-sequential mod. But I also thought about going non-sequential (full, so including the removal of the flapper in the manifold) for the following reasons:
- most amount of simplification
- better exhaust flow (removed flapper)
- higher potential for further tuning
The car already has the following mods:
- HKS downpipe
- High-Flow cat
- Tanabe muffler
- presumably bigger injectors
- Blitz ECU
With that mods, I only got 10psi at max, with a strange pattern of 10-15-9, with the 15 psi only being there for a split second, badly leaning out the mixture. (I have to say though, the compression was pretty bad on the rear rotor, only 60psi at the lowest)
I'm planning on fitting a boost controller or Megasquirt 2 when the car goes back together, hoping for higher boost, maybe 12-13 psi.
So, without having to worry about lag below 4000 rpm, would it than be a good idea to make the propper non-sequential conversion now (And by the way, is there a good write-up for that? On all the old threads, the links don't work anymore)? Or would you advise me to only do the simplified sequential conversion?
I know this has been beaten to death but I read a lot of threads and most people still drive their cars on the street. My FD will be a pure track car, so it will only see rpms above 4k.
Since my engine is out at the moment for a rebuild, I definitley will touch the rats nest and in my opinion, it would be stupid to make a full hose job leaving the sequential system the way it is. So the least I want to do for simplification is the simplified non-sequential mod. But I also thought about going non-sequential (full, so including the removal of the flapper in the manifold) for the following reasons:
- most amount of simplification
- better exhaust flow (removed flapper)
- higher potential for further tuning
The car already has the following mods:
- HKS downpipe
- High-Flow cat
- Tanabe muffler
- presumably bigger injectors
- Blitz ECU
With that mods, I only got 10psi at max, with a strange pattern of 10-15-9, with the 15 psi only being there for a split second, badly leaning out the mixture. (I have to say though, the compression was pretty bad on the rear rotor, only 60psi at the lowest)
I'm planning on fitting a boost controller or Megasquirt 2 when the car goes back together, hoping for higher boost, maybe 12-13 psi.
So, without having to worry about lag below 4000 rpm, would it than be a good idea to make the propper non-sequential conversion now (And by the way, is there a good write-up for that? On all the old threads, the links don't work anymore)? Or would you advise me to only do the simplified sequential conversion?
#2
You can make the twins work like non sequential on the Apexi pfc
Unit , change turbo transition to 2000rpm
You can have the best of both worlds .
Sequ and non seque
You will need to have the data logit unit to do this .
Cheers
Unit , change turbo transition to 2000rpm
You can have the best of both worlds .
Sequ and non seque
You will need to have the data logit unit to do this .
Cheers
#6
Sequential. Fix your solenoid issues and you won't regret it. Drove a non-sequential FD and it was awful, but I guess if I really think about it on the track you will hardly notice the difference since you will keep the RPMS above 4,000 most of the time anyway.
#7
Having driven both in anger (and both on the stock ECU) the sequential is faster on a technical course, as the primary turbo comes on boost quicker exiting corners.
The non-sequential car, required some odd footwork to keep the throttle slightly open under brakes in a corner, in order to keep building boost to then get out of the corner without lag.
The non-sequential car, required some odd footwork to keep the throttle slightly open under brakes in a corner, in order to keep building boost to then get out of the corner without lag.
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This is the first I've heard of simplified sequential. Does it work as well as the stock rats nest? I would have to think there is a way to do it...
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Having driven both in anger (and both on the stock ECU) the sequential is faster on a technical course, as the primary turbo comes on boost quicker exiting corners.
The non-sequential car, required some odd footwork to keep the throttle slightly open under brakes in a corner, in order to keep building boost to then get out of the corner without lag.
The non-sequential car, required some odd footwork to keep the throttle slightly open under brakes in a corner, in order to keep building boost to then get out of the corner without lag.
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I've run simplified sequential for 7+ years on the track without issue. Just make sure your solenoids are tested and working appropriately. Plus, unless you're always running the same track, you will certainly run into situations where you'll dip below 4krpm. Your example of 37mph you could lug 3rd to be smoother.
Sounds like you need to figure out your computer/boost controller situation though, you don't want to spike to 15psi regularly. Also, expect your "high flow cat" to likely not make it very long on the track.
Sounds like you need to figure out your computer/boost controller situation though, you don't want to spike to 15psi regularly. Also, expect your "high flow cat" to likely not make it very long on the track.
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