New OEM Engines
05-08-22, 10:42 PM
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New OEM Engines
Hi All,
I'm looking to get a new OEM shortblock from my FD and noticed there's a few vendors offering them - does anyone know anything about them? Are they all old stock, or does Mazda still make them? If it is a brand new engine made today, did they make any improvements vs. the original?
Thanks
I'm looking to get a new OEM shortblock from my FD and noticed there's a few vendors offering them - does anyone know anything about them? Are they all old stock, or does Mazda still make them? If it is a brand new engine made today, did they make any improvements vs. the original?
Thanks
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05-09-22, 08:23 AM
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Mazda's Rotary engine factory is a separate building, so while they have redone everything else, the Rotary engine factory is still tooled up as it was in 2009 for the S2 Rx8.
Or to put it another way Mazda has a whole build that does nothing but make Rx8, FD and late FC engines (and GSL-SE rotor housings), so that is what they are doing
the FD engines have a couple revisions over the years, and the current engines are the newest spec.
in 1996 they get rid of the front cover O ring, 1999 the Metering nozzles get improved and in 2003 or so they switch to 2 piece apex seals.
https://www.mazda.co.jp/carlife/classicmazda/story/9/
Or to put it another way Mazda has a whole build that does nothing but make Rx8, FD and late FC engines (and GSL-SE rotor housings), so that is what they are doing
the FD engines have a couple revisions over the years, and the current engines are the newest spec.
in 1996 they get rid of the front cover O ring, 1999 the Metering nozzles get improved and in 2003 or so they switch to 2 piece apex seals.
https://www.mazda.co.jp/carlife/classicmazda/story/9/
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Mazda's Rotary engine factory is a separate building, so while they have redone everything else, the Rotary engine factory is still tooled up as it was in 2009 for the S2 Rx8.
Or to put it another way Mazda has a whole build that does nothing but make Rx8, FD and late FC engines (and GSL-SE rotor housings), so that is what they are doing
the FD engines have a couple revisions over the years, and the current engines are the newest spec.
in 1996 they get rid of the front cover O ring, 1999 the Metering nozzles get improved and in 2003 or so they switch to 2 piece apex seals.
https://www.mazda.co.jp/carlife/classicmazda/story/9/
Or to put it another way Mazda has a whole build that does nothing but make Rx8, FD and late FC engines (and GSL-SE rotor housings), so that is what they are doing
the FD engines have a couple revisions over the years, and the current engines are the newest spec.
in 1996 they get rid of the front cover O ring, 1999 the Metering nozzles get improved and in 2003 or so they switch to 2 piece apex seals.
https://www.mazda.co.jp/carlife/classicmazda/story/9/
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05-09-22, 04:21 PM
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Thanks to most of you for your comments.
This is exactly what I was looking for, thank you.
Do you know anything about the reman engines? There was a point in time when they would put together short blocks with mostly used parts (e-shaft, irons, rotors), then at some point people started cracking them open and noticed they were using brand new housings, irons, etc. - do they even make remans anymore or are they all just new engines?
I'm glad to hear Ray is still around. I'll give him a call to touch base and see if he can provide any more info, but was your answer also in response to the above poster's comment regarding FC engines? I wouldn't mind buying a new shortblock for my S5 TII too, but have only seen FD shortblocks for sale. Maybe once I call Ray he can give me more info.
Thanks
Mazda's Rotary engine factory is a separate building, so while they have redone everything else, the Rotary engine factory is still tooled up as it was in 2009 for the S2 Rx8.
Or to put it another way Mazda has a whole build that does nothing but make Rx8, FD and late FC engines (and GSL-SE rotor housings), so that is what they are doing
the FD engines have a couple revisions over the years, and the current engines are the newest spec.
in 1996 they get rid of the front cover O ring, 1999 the Metering nozzles get improved and in 2003 or so they switch to 2 piece apex seals.
https://www.mazda.co.jp/carlife/classicmazda/story/9/
Or to put it another way Mazda has a whole build that does nothing but make Rx8, FD and late FC engines (and GSL-SE rotor housings), so that is what they are doing
the FD engines have a couple revisions over the years, and the current engines are the newest spec.
in 1996 they get rid of the front cover O ring, 1999 the Metering nozzles get improved and in 2003 or so they switch to 2 piece apex seals.
https://www.mazda.co.jp/carlife/classicmazda/story/9/
Do you know anything about the reman engines? There was a point in time when they would put together short blocks with mostly used parts (e-shaft, irons, rotors), then at some point people started cracking them open and noticed they were using brand new housings, irons, etc. - do they even make remans anymore or are they all just new engines?
Thanks
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05-10-22, 08:49 AM
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The remans have always been pot luck. I think right now you can only get reman RX-8 engines. FD engines are the new ones only.
The new engine is one HELL of a deal too.
Dale
The new engine is one HELL of a deal too.
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05-10-22, 10:00 AM
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Is this something you can still buy from your local Mazda dealership? Is there a part number? I had a contact of mine try to look this up, and I was told that they can only order US available parts, not Japanese available parts (through the mazda parts ordering system) and couldn't come up with anything. I showed him the engines available from vendors that are brand new Mazda, and he said he couldn't get one.
Curious what I'm missing. He can get most parts pretty close to cost, as long as they're available to be ordered.
Curious what I'm missing. He can get most parts pretty close to cost, as long as they're available to be ordered.
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Is this something you can still buy from your local Mazda dealership? Is there a part number? I had a contact of mine try to look this up, and I was told that they can only order US available parts, not Japanese available parts (through the mazda parts ordering system) and couldn't come up with anything. I showed him the engines available from vendors that are brand new Mazda, and he said he couldn't get one.
Curious what I'm missing. He can get most parts pretty close to cost, as long as they're available to be ordered.
Curious what I'm missing. He can get most parts pretty close to cost, as long as they're available to be ordered.
05-10-22, 11:17 AM
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Thanks all for your additional replies.
I wonder if any of these vendors, or a dealer like Ray, could order some FD engines in bulk from Japan and throw some FC engines in there too. Can you please provide the part number for the S5 TII engine?
Last question, hopefully - I've also read that these new engines are 'broken in' - any truth to that?
Last question, hopefully - I've also read that these new engines are 'broken in' - any truth to that?
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05-12-22, 10:09 AM
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Mazda's Rotary engine factory is a separate building, so while they have redone everything else, the Rotary engine factory is still tooled up as it was in 2009 for the S2 Rx8.
Or to put it another way Mazda has a whole build that does nothing but make Rx8, FD and late FC engines (and GSL-SE rotor housings), so that is what they are doing
the FD engines have a couple revisions over the years, and the current engines are the newest spec.
in 1996 they get rid of the front cover O ring, 1999 the Metering nozzles get improved and in 2003 or so they switch to 2 piece apex seals.
https://www.mazda.co.jp/carlife/classicmazda/story/9/
Or to put it another way Mazda has a whole build that does nothing but make Rx8, FD and late FC engines (and GSL-SE rotor housings), so that is what they are doing
the FD engines have a couple revisions over the years, and the current engines are the newest spec.
in 1996 they get rid of the front cover O ring, 1999 the Metering nozzles get improved and in 2003 or so they switch to 2 piece apex seals.
https://www.mazda.co.jp/carlife/classicmazda/story/9/
FD engines are available, but take 1-2 months to come from Japan. They're $4,900.
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So I talked to Ray and according to him, nothing is available for the FC, new or reman. I'd really like for him to be incorrect in this case, so is there any more info/proof you can provide me that I can relay to him to look into it further?
FD engines are available, but take 1-2 months to come from Japan. They're $4,900.
FD engines are available, but take 1-2 months to come from Japan. They're $4,900.
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05-12-22, 11:08 AM
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in the USA that is correct, Mazda Japan sells the FC engine still https://www.amayama.com/en/part/mazda/n3740220094
05-12-22, 06:23 PM
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no... he had the correct response.
even MORE toxic of an attitude is to be so open to entertain a question that is so easily searchable. its like bringing the lake to the horse so he can drink because he doesnt feel like walking.
let that bitch dehydrate lol
even MORE toxic of an attitude is to be so open to entertain a question that is so easily searchable. its like bringing the lake to the horse so he can drink because he doesnt feel like walking.
let that bitch dehydrate lol
05-12-22, 07:21 PM
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Can we please refrain from the irrelevant comments? This forum has moderators that deem the appropriateness of threads - we've had actual moderators and an administrator already post in this thread. This pseudo-moderating is pathetic and speaks to the character of these individuals.
Great, thanks. I asked Ray if he could talk to his contacts in Japan to see if they can't do some kind of 'transfer' if I were to order an FD engine as well. If that doesn't work out, is that website reputable? Seems like I could just order it through there as an alternative.
Are the new FC engines a part of their heritage program or have they always been around? I'm also waiting on the S2000 heritage program to come stateside and hoping they start making F20c's again.
in the USA that is correct, Mazda Japan sells the FC engine still https://www.amayama.com/en/part/mazda/n3740220094
Are the new FC engines a part of their heritage program or have they always been around? I'm also waiting on the S2000 heritage program to come stateside and hoping they start making F20c's again.
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