new motor wont start?
09-08-04, 09:05 AM
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new motor wont start?
ok i did the smog pump removal and used the right resistor for the smog pump plug, also did the power steering and a.c pump removal. wondring if i need anything else? there is fuel getting the the plugs, spark and all..... confused... can anyone help? other pre-cautions i need to check out? thanx
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09-08-04, 07:22 PM
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ok, my friend bottlefed and i put it together, we blocked off the air pipe gouing to the midpipe and looped the two air tubes that got othe smog and intake into each other. we removed the a/c completly and the power steering we looped the in and out on the rack. when i try to start the car i turn the key , sit for 10 secs and cranck. crank for 15-20 secs, nothing. oil pressure good. coolant good. when i pukll the plugs they ahve fuel on em, but not drownding in it. so i pulled the egi fuse and plugs and cranked her over again for 30 secs twice. cleaned her out. put em back cranked ... nothing. compression check. 76 everytime. soo lost! can anyone help?!
09-08-04, 07:29 PM
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Why are you certain you have spark? Have you pulled EACH one and held it to the engine block and visually seen spark? Do you have a timing light to make sure spark timing is in the right neighborhood? Are you sure the ECU is getting the crank angle sensor signals correctly? and you didn't flip the CAS connectors?
You got fuel, you got compression, you need spark at the right time. After that, an excorcism is needed... getta priest
You got fuel, you got compression, you need spark at the right time. After that, an excorcism is needed... getta priest
09-08-04, 07:31 PM
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i used a spark check light , u plug it in to the plug and then into the wire. it lights up when u crank. that is what i dont get. brand new plugs too. and gas it on em, but not "flooded" amount.
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09-08-04, 11:31 PM
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wow....
ok u def know more than me! thanx so much for responding. yes i have spark from all plugs. so i can just flip the CASconnectors? thanx again?
Originally Posted by spurvo
Why are you certain you have spark? Have you pulled EACH one and held it to the engine block and visually seen spark? Do you have a timing light to make sure spark timing is in the right neighborhood? Are you sure the ECU is getting the crank angle sensor signals correctly? and you didn't flip the CAS connectors?
You got fuel, you got compression, you need spark at the right time. After that, an excorcism is needed... getta priest
You got fuel, you got compression, you need spark at the right time. After that, an excorcism is needed... getta priest
09-09-04, 12:04 AM
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ok u def know more than me! thanx so much for responding. yes i have spark from all plugs. so i can just flip the CASconnectors? thanx again?
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09-09-04, 08:10 AM
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ok, thanx so much guys, i will check the clips for the CAS and redo the compression #'s. ill update later tonight. thanx again, this forum is a blessing..
09-09-04, 02:39 PM
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WATER TEMP SENSOR!? the code comes up # 9 and that is the water temp sensor. and also the fan temp sensor. (which explains why my fans come on when i turn the key on) both bad. im guessin it is flooding itself out. what are ur thoughts?!! thanx!
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09-09-04, 05:03 PM
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i dont understand what the waterthermosensor has to do with it not starting but it could be flooded.
in anycase, you shouyld be checking for spark by unpluging your sparkplugs and grounding the threaded part and having someone crank the engine. do not touch the wire or plug during this test. prop the sparkplug against something and check to see that your getting a good spark going across all sparkplugs. as for fuel, how much psi are you getting? are you sure its getting to the injectors and that the injectors are opening, how did you check this? what is your injector duty cycle during start up? have you tried going wot when cranking her up? did you try atf fluid yet (cant hurt)?
as for compression, how did you check this?
in anycase, you shouyld be checking for spark by unpluging your sparkplugs and grounding the threaded part and having someone crank the engine. do not touch the wire or plug during this test. prop the sparkplug against something and check to see that your getting a good spark going across all sparkplugs. as for fuel, how much psi are you getting? are you sure its getting to the injectors and that the injectors are opening, how did you check this? what is your injector duty cycle during start up? have you tried going wot when cranking her up? did you try atf fluid yet (cant hurt)?
as for compression, how did you check this?
09-09-04, 05:09 PM
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yeah a few pople have told me that would gaurantee it flooding itself and not starting. i don't know what duty cycle means, please explain, and yes i have good spark, have tested the psi on the fuel lines yet. will do so in a bit. thanks soo much for ur help. p.s. i tried wot (wide open throttle right?) oh and my fans come on asa i turn the key to on w/o cranking. bad sensor. my last motor lost its water seal, thats why i think all these parts are bad... and why it wont start
Originally Posted by skunks
i dont understand what the waterthermosensor has to do with it not starting but it could be flooded.
in anycase, you shouyld be checking for spark by unpluging your sparkplugs and grounding the threaded part and having someone crank the engine. do not touch the wire or plug during this test. prop the sparkplug against something and check to see that your getting a good spark going across all sparkplugs. as for fuel, how much psi are you getting? are you sure its getting to the injectors and that the injectors are opening, how did you check this? what is your injector duty cycle during start up? have you tried going wot when cranking her up? did you try atf fluid yet (cant hurt)?
as for compression, how did you check this?
in anycase, you shouyld be checking for spark by unpluging your sparkplugs and grounding the threaded part and having someone crank the engine. do not touch the wire or plug during this test. prop the sparkplug against something and check to see that your getting a good spark going across all sparkplugs. as for fuel, how much psi are you getting? are you sure its getting to the injectors and that the injectors are opening, how did you check this? what is your injector duty cycle during start up? have you tried going wot when cranking her up? did you try atf fluid yet (cant hurt)?
as for compression, how did you check this?
09-09-04, 06:08 PM
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a fubared water temp sensor for the computer will read extremly cold and the computer will adjust by dumping in alot of fuel. not saying that is what's wrong but that should be corrected.
09-13-04, 06:34 PM
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it's alive!
FINALLY! so here is some proven evidence to all who are interested. a water temp sensor will def keep ur car from starting. floods it out. i bought my new sensors and after doing the de-flood- method, she started right up!. wow, i am takin her easy, and she still wants to cruise. thanx EVERYONE who helped, this forum is a blessing.
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09-14-04, 08:54 AM
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i will, this car is the sponsor car for the sema show for many companies. i'll take pics when it's all done there. thanx again!!
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