My FD has 82k on it and the engine is toast.

My question is, are my stock twin turbo's totally gone?

Here are the symptoms ... heavy smoking from the turbo's for 10 minutes after the car was shut off, exhaust leaking into the engine bay while running and oil in my intake (after turbos) and in the intercooler.

I had just bought the car in march, but it had been sitting un-used for a year ... not even run. I had heard that sometimes oil can settle in the turbo's but i don't see why they would smoke heavily after the car had idled in the driveway for 10 minutes. This happened the 2nd week i had the car ... upon which it had been driven a total of 3 times. Not raced or taken over 5k rpms.

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Are you sure the engine is toast? Not doubting you, just checking. I've never heard of turbos smoking after you turn off the car when they're bad. Hmmm. What color is the smoke? Blue? White?

Exhaust leaking into engine bay sounds like a bad turbo/exhaust gasket, and it's normal to have a little oil in the intake pipe, intercooler pipes and the intercooler itself. But it shouldn't be enough that it pours out or anything.

 

from your brief description of symptoms, your turbo may needs a rebuild, or in your terms "toast." when my first turbos went, smoke would come up from the burnt oil leaking onto the extremely hot turbo housing. bad oil seels was the culperate. it smoked for at least 5 minutes after shut down.

maybe some more information regarding your problem will help these nice fellows here to help you. for instance, what kind of boost pattern are you getting right now?

 

Well it's that nice blue color ... No there wasn't THAT much oil in the intake pipes ... not enough to pour out.

I'm pretty sure my engine is toast ... won't start, last time it ran ... i had white smoke billowing out. Maybe it's just a coolant seal or soemthing. I'll be putting it into the shop this week. I finally have saved up enough cash.

I probably won't mess with rebuilding the turbos, i have found a nice set fairly close to me that i'll most likely purchase. unless rebuilding the turbos costs less than 500 bucks.

How much should a stock rebuild cost?

should i go with the stock porting or have some mild streetporting done with 2mm seals?

thanks for the posts guys
SRR1

 

No clue on the boost pattern ... don't have a boost guage yet. But i am getting that soon.

What other info do you need?

 

Yeah blue smoke = somethings burning oil. I'd just hate to see you get both the engine and turbos replaced and have only one of the two be bad. Glad to see that you're taking it to a shop though. On the buying used turbos issue. I've heard alot of horror stories about people buying used turbos and getting screwed and having them be bad when they put them on their car even though they were supposedly good. I've heard of Want2Race buying in fact a couple sets of used turbos and having them all be bad.

The cheapest rebuild price I've seen for turbos whether stock or upgraded is from BNR Supercars. I've dealt with Bryan from BNR for other things and he's a really good guy, knows alot about turbos, so you might want to check out his rebuilds. There is a banner usually at the top of the forum page. He wants $750.00 for a stock rebuild on them, and the highest upgrade he has available is $1650.00. I think they'd be worth looking into if you could scrap together $750.00 to get yours rebuilt. It's always better to be 100% sure the turbos putting on are good, then to be 50% sure they're good because the person who sold them to you told you they were good.

Well, not saying you have to get yours rebuilt, but just throwing it out there.

If you do have enough money for it I definately would get some porting done while you're in there, and I think 2mm seals would be more than ok. Rebuilds range from around $2000.00+ for the motor itself to $5000.00 installed for a motor that's been ported with the whole shibang, meaning silicone hoses, etc.. I am not say you'll definatly spend 5k rebuilding your motor and getting it installed, because that price is a little on the high side in my eyes. The shop should be able to give you an estimate though. Oh and alot of times it's cheaper to start with a Mazda Remanufactured motor, then do porting etc. Because sometimes you'll have bad housings on a motor, which would need to be bought new, and they run like $500.00 a peice. A Mazda remanufactured motor runs about $2200.00 at my local dealer with I think a 600.00 or 800.00 core charge. Malloy Mazda in VA supposedly has good prices on remans though.

 

White billowy smoke at startup? It sounds like your coolant seals are toast and a rebuild is in your near future.

However...

There may be a chance that your turbos are still okay. I had the same problem about a year and a half ago. Blue wispy smoke coming from the turbo area which continued for a few minutes after I turned of the car. I got pulled over once for speeding and the cop thought my engine was on fire! It turned out the oil hose (can't remember if inlet or outlet) was dripping oil onto the turbos, resulting in the smoke. I had the crush washers replaced and the housing cleaned up and the turbos have been fine ever since, even transferred them onto my new engine a few months later.

 

Do a compression check or have the shop perform a compression check before declaring the motor bad.

RP in Dallas (Garland) can build you a decent engine.
Talk to Ari or Chris about it.
Marvel is also near the Dallas area as well.

I can also rebuild your engine if it's not your daily driver (engine can be out for a week).

J

 

evel333 makes a good point. you should check all oil lines leading or near the turbo. if you are getting good boost from 3000rpm to redline your turbos are probably ok. too bad i cant say the same about your engine. good luck

 

Thanks guys ... I'll check into all that. So you think a reman would be better than having my engine rebuilt? I'd think it'd cost more ... but we'll see what the shop says.

I'll keep you all posted.
SRR1

 

If your turbos are not beating them selves to death with blade shards and the still give good boost levels then they are Ok. Most stock Fd turbos will blow oil around 10k. I didn't read everyones replies so don't bust my ***** If this was already stated.

 

Reman shouldnt run you any more than 3k. Rebuild is only as good as the guy who does it.

 

No worries man ... I'm not going to worry about the turbos until i know for a fact that they're bad.