capt. bill1

Well, it took long enough. But it`s up and running now, to say the least! Zero lag. Boost in an instant. M2 says it should be good for around 20psi of boost. But right now I am just using an M2 stage 3 ECU so I am only running 12psi of boost. Once I get a fully programable ECU and big injectors I will start turning up the boost. I have a J & S knock senser with the air/fuel monitor. The air/fuel monitor always reads rich under boost with no indication of knock. So far so good. Now it`s time to play with it a bit to see if there are any bugs to work out and take it to I dyno to get some numbers. Stay tuned.

alwan16

thanks for the report capt. bill, can you please post your mods list so we can get a better idea...thanks.

Want2race

Welcome to the highflow world!
Mine are capable of 24psi but only seen 10 cause im on a stock ECU

capt. bill1

OK here goes: M2 high flow twin ball bearing turbos
M2 stage 3 ECU
M2 cold air box
M2 large intercooler
Upgraded fuel pump
J&S knock senser with air/fuel monitor
Jacobs ignition
GReedy PRofec B spec boost controller
GReedy pulley kit
Mazda Comp. radiator
Miata fan switch
Removed air pump
Wrapped SS DP
N- Tech high flow cat
PFS cat back
Aluminum flywheel
Center Force clutch
All new silicone hoses
Heated oxygen sensor
Moved battery to passenger storage box
Much smaller bank account

Alpine

good job keep us posted on the dyno result.

G 's 3rd gen

You got that thing tweaked out!! I wish i had more $$! Check out your E-mail. I swear we are the same person?! Be cool to chat with ya some time!!G.....

7 eleven

sounds cool please keep us updated!

JoeD

is there a huge difference in acceleration?? you didnt mention anything about that.

JoeD

who did your turbos?? Pettit??

capt. bill1

As I recall Want2race`s turbos are custom. With the secondary being bigger than the primary. The M2 set up is not like the Pettit 10- 15% better flow system. The M2s snails are bored out 7mils over stock and each turbo is rated to 400hp in a piston engine. When I ordered them Brett at M2 said that the ball bearings let the wheels spin so easily that you could blow on them and they would spin. I thought sales hype. So the first thing I do when I get them is to blow in them, guess what? The wheels spun!

And Yes JoeD, the car does accelerate much quicker. I get to 60 mph so fast now that I have to keep a close eye on my speedometer around town.

twinturboteddy

Wow thats incredible.

Have you thought about setting up the turbos in parallel instead of sequential?

capt. bill1

No, that would defeat the whole purpose of having fast spooling high flow ball bearing turbos.

JoeD

so whats better.....pettit's hybrid high flow twins (flow 15-20% more than stock) or M2's Ball bearing twins??

bbeavers

capt bill1, How much did they set you back? are they a drop in replacement or are some modifications required?

Alpine

dyno dyno dyno

Jason

iTrader: (5)

Im curious why you went with those instead of a single turbo?
For the the price of those twins you could have a nice single that is going to produce 400 H.P at alot less boost than the twin setup. Less stress on the motor.

Jason

DeNguyen

i would think he went with ball bearing twins instead of single because its more practical for street/autox use. no lag that is.

maxcooper

It seems like you could pass a CA Smog check with the upgraded twins, too. That is a very attractive feature for some people.

Dyno, dyno! Let's see a dyno graph.

-Max

capt. bill1

JoeD, I can`t say for sure which turbo set is better. But the M2 sets should flow more and as I recall the Pettit sets are not ball bearing so the M2 sets spool up faster.

bbeavers, the turbo set is $2995 and they come mounted on a manifold. M2 claimed they are a direct bolt up but we found that some reworking of inlet pipes was in order. Which in the end let the turbos get better air flow into them.

Jason, I went with high flow twins for a couple of reasons.
One, I just like doing thinks a little different from everbody else and two, it looks like I can get the hp I want without any lag problems. I looked at most of the single kits and it seemed to me in the end it would cost just as much to set one of those up right as it will the high flow twins. Remember, the set of high flow twins was $3000 and the better high hp single kits all seem to cost more than that. As far as stress on the motor goes, I doubt I will need much if any higher boost psi to make the hp I want with the twin setup as opposed to a single. These are high flow just like a high flow single. So I don`t see why they would be anymore stressful on the engine than a high flow single.

maxcooper and Alpine, dyno slip will be coming. But the local dyno closed and the nearest one is about 50 miles away. So it may be a few weeks before I have the time to get up to it.

Flybye

Number of happy Ball Bearing Turbo owners = 1
Number of Jelous FD owners with the stock twins = countless


I also think it's a great upgrade. I do some Autoxing, although I haven't been able to go in a while, and lag is certainly a no no.

Let us know how much boost it will take for you to reach 400rwhp when you dyno it

50tooslow

Those sound awsome. I also have a question about them, might be kind of stoopid so please don't thrash me. Are these completely new turbos or do they rework the factory turbos so they are ball bearing and flow more. Also where can I find these. I am interested in staying twin, for lag purposes, and this sounds perfect. The help would be greatly apriciated.

cewrx7r1

iTrader: (2)

I assume that means a turbo housing similar to the stock housing with the turbo control gate and waste gate in the same place. I also assume that they have enlarged the WG to prevent boost creep.

Please give details on this!

Bacon

iTrader: (12)

Pictures please!!!!1

Want2race

I had some of mine... lost now..

I get full boost with a stock cat and stock catback! And stock intake and intercooler @ 1800rpm (10psi)!

Now anyone that knows physics should know that a mp and catback would make my setup CRAZY! It would be full boost all the time!!!

Mine are custom and add me to the happy owner list.. Mine weher x pensive but a single needed too much support **** for me... I still need an ecu then ill install all my other mods..

capt. bill1

50tooslow, Thats a good question. The snail housings appear to be the same size as the stock ones on the outside. But the inlets and outlets are much larger. They`re from M2 so if you call them and ask for Brett he can answer all your questions. 925-686-9047 please tell him I gave you the #
sales@m2performance.com

cewrx7r1, Yes they came mounted on a stock manifold and I have no creep. But I am also using a GReedy PRofec B boost controller which, from what I understand, would cure boost creep too.

Bacon, The turbos are installed and I did not take pictures of them before they were installed. Doh!