I currently am running a greddy smic and am about to add about 100hp to the wheels, see my cardomain page for details (cardomain.com/ride/2067608). I bought a M2 Medium from FritzFlynn, in great shape btw, but was considering being that I am gonna do a battery reloc anyway, why not go with a large, bigger is better right? I'm gonna be in the ~420rwhp range and thought the IC upgrade was a good idea. I want to stay with a smic though, no fmic for me at this time.

Just wanted to know if anyone out there had experience with both and could tell me if this was worth doing.

Thanks for the help I tried a search but came up with nada.

 

the M2 med is a great IC...the added cooling offered by the large is prob not worth the extra $$ on the street

wth the cold temps lately I'm seeing 25 C and less charge temps with my M2 med....the car flat out rips

 

The ASP medium is huge. However, the Large has the volume to keep if ever you go single.

I personally find front mounts stupid so you won't here any fuss from me

 

any other opinions?

 

The medium is more than you will ever need and this is coming from a guy that used to own the large.

 

ASP Medium IC

Core 3.5" x 12.55" x 11.55" CID of core 507.3
CFM of air flowed at 1.5 psi of pressure drop 620
Pressure drop at 10 psi and 6000 RPM .6 psi
Efficiency of heat transfer at 5mph air speed through core. 56%
Efficiency of heat transfer at 20mph air speed through core. 86%

ASP Race IC

Core 3.5" x 12.55" x 17" CID of core 746.7
CFM of air flowed at 1.5 psi of pressure drop 760
Pressure drop at 10 psi and 6000 RPM .35 psi
Efficiency of heat transfer at 5mph air speed through core. 76%
Efficiency of heat transfer at 20mph air speed through core. 88%

Testing Conditions:Ambient 63-65F
Boost level: 12psi @ sea level
Output level: ~300rwhp-

--Medium IC--

Intake T at 50mph cruise: 67F
Peak intake T in 3rd gear WOT run: 98F
Peak intake T in WOT 0-80mph run: 105F
Maximum pressure loss: 1.1psi

--Large IC--

Intake T at 50mph cruise: 70F
Peak intake T in 3rd gear WOT run: 92F
Peak intake T in WOT 0-80mph run: 99F
Maximum pressure loss: 1.1psi

 

I'd like to see that same test with a (well designed) hood scoop added

 

I think you would have a tough time ducting hood scoop that would help much. You could gain something by help the air escape though.

I have a scoot hood and with light driving it takes 15 miles in stop and go traffic to reach engine temp of 85C on 70F day. I have a front mount so my air temp didn't really change. The scoop outlet go to about where the SMIC would be and I'm not so sure there is as much air flow as it would appear.

 

what about those hoods that have the "evo" like vent? that looks like it is in the SMIC position and is open enough to evacuate some hot air....

 

It is harder to blow through a long tube than through a short tube .I run the ASP med size and when the large came out I ask about switching .The responce was ,not to waste your money .Mine is the 22 row and I will not trade it for another .

 

I'm running an ASP medium right now, and have also thought of stepping up to a large. But honestly, it's not worth the hassle. The Med does it's job and then some.

 

the GReddy IC for sale? lol

 

True that shorter tubing does equate to better boost reponse but doesn't this is all depend on what kind of psi he is running for more condensed air is hotter because the particles of the air are bumping and vibrating causing heat? So that at higher psi air is cooled better?

I might be off on a completely different tangent here and feel I don't know too much how to express what I am thinking but yeah.

Alex

 

No doubt - but intercoolers are not pipes. Here are some data from http://www.fd3s.net/intercoolers.html:

The pressure drop is lower across the bigger core and it flows more air.

The two intercoolers cost the same, so the only reason not to get the larger one would be because of the need to relocate the battery. I can't think of any other reason not to.

 

You (and everyone else) may get to see this sometime soonish.

 

I am selling an M2/ASP Large SMIC...

 

dont mean to hijack... just a quick ??? if I buy the ASP medium I wouldnt need the Ypipe?

 

you wouldnt be able to run the Efini y-pipe b/c the 2 pieces bolt together. With an ASP medium or large SMIC, you have use a coupler to attach the stock y-pipe to the hot side intercooler pipe.

you get this for hijacking ---->

 

I have the ASP MID and the Efini Y pipe and it works fine .Strange its been there for several years and now I read that it will not work .

 

yeah fellas I'm having a hard time with this myself... I ordered the ASP med 3 weeks ago with the Efini Y... later as I was reading the product details(rx7store) it specifies a Ypipe as included???? i CALLED jASON AND HE SAID THAT THE y IS A OKAY... oops got the CAPSlock... bad fingers... BAD! anyhow J said that there is no conflict. I'm wondering...$250 is $250... do I need it or not...??? 2 Y pipes??? dont make no sense... and I read up a bit in the good guy bad guy section... I guess when the IC gets here I'll install and then see whats up. I'll report back with what I encounter...

 

RX7store states that the kit includes piping to the y-pipe. It does not actually include the y-pipe. You already have it.

Efini Y-pipes and ASP/M2 kits do not work with each other.

 

Description
Please note this item is special order. Takes 2-3 weeks for delivery and there is a $200 non refundable deposit up front.

This unit is the largest stock mount IC on the market that does not require relocation of the battery. This IC fits with most aftermarket intake systems* and does not require removal of the air-pump or battery.

(*Replacement of the stock air-box is required. Requires the use of Greddy Intake Elbow. Parts included are: (1) IC core, (1) IC duct, (1) polished aluminum IC pipes, (4) silicone couplers, (8) constant torque hose clamps and ypipe intercooler pipe.)

thanks Vegas... it was your initial statement in the beginning of this thread that made me post up... now, I understood your post but this is what I copied from rx7store and it cleary says, "AND Ypipe IC pipe." I had a feeling that these things were going to be a headache... Jason at rx7store said no conflict, I can run 'em both... I dont want to believe that $250 is so important to that shop that they would lie about it. Its not a good way to build your customer base and in the free market people will shop other places.
Garco says its alright.... are we just talking differently about the same thing?

 

ah hah! update... (thanks again Rich for the hijack )
I was looking at www.robrobinette.com and found what I needed... It seems as if the Efini Y will work with the ASP, some machining for the large...
Vegas when I reread my post I noticed (1) polished IC pipe and one Y pipe... I assume that they meant by the Y pipe was the crossover pipe. Rx7store also sells it individually as the ASP IC pipe. When I spoke to Jason about it he assured me that it was straight but I keep hearing conflicting reports, SO... when everything arrives I plan to install my DP, o2 sensor, Y pipe, ASP med, and PRovecB boost controller... I'll post to let you know what I find.

 

It'll work with some serious modifications, and in my opinion it's not worth the trouble. We all know how handy you are with your polishing wheel, so I'm not surprised you got it to work. Good job

 

goodfella, same with the med? serious mods for fitting?

also, you own a shop? or just enjoy the car? I see you everywhere on here... and I loved the dyno pull video...