Those housing were seriously in a RUNNING car?!?!?!

Those are an embarrassement.

You deserve a full refund. Regardless of what he stated in his email, the quality of those housings are unacceptable.

 

I see spec99 has opted to start some **** instead of taking responsibility for his own decision. Fine, let it begin.

This BS right here is why no builders in the market today are willing to sell used housings. No matter how good they are, some novice will take a quick look at them and think that they could be better for the money. A lot of you probably think you know more about the condition of a set of parts by looking at 2 POOR pictures on the internet than an actual builder would holding them in his hands. Bottom line, the only way these could be better would be if they were new. New housings sell for $650 or so right now. These went for 200 each. I do not see how this is a problem.

Let's go over this point by point and I will prove to you (those who are open minded and able to read and reason, that is) why this is. For reference, all business UP TO THIS POINT has been handled over the phone. Now, being the manly type he is, he runs to the internet to post a bunch of BS and lies. Apparently he isn't willing or able to call me and try to lie to me in person about the very conversations we had...wonder why. Doesnt anyone else find this odd?

ONe day mr. x here calls me up, and I didn't know him from jack. He tells me he needs 2 FD rotorhousings in great condition, and I told him I had only one, and it had a little chrome flaking on one edge, about a 7 or 8 on a scale of 10, with 10 being new. He tells me he needs both, and I tell him sorry, I can't help him. HE then says that he heard he could use t2 housings, and asked if I had any of those in good shape. I tell him no, I did not have any t2 ones that were in the condition he wanted, most of those are used and abused early in life.

So he goes into asking me the differences in them. I tell him that t2 housings (and all FC housings for that matter) had a lesser coating on them that required a slight bit more OMP injection than the later ones. I also tell him that turbo housings have the coolant passage on top that the FD does not use, and those would have to be plugged off in some way if they were to be used.

I explained to him that if he couldnt find any decent FD or t2 housings, that NA FC housings could be used. I told him that in fact the ONLY difference in them was 1) the coating change, and 2) the NA's exhaust diffuser. I told him that, in fact, I was running 2 FC NA housings in my FD engine, with the diffusers cut out by a torch. I explained that even though this leaves a bit of a rough surface, unless you're making mega power the difference in flow is negligible at worst, but that if it were a big deal the sleeves could always be swapped with the ones from his old housings.

As far as plug timing they are identical, and port size and location is identical, they even have the knock sensor hole above the T plughole. I also explained that NA housings do NOT have the extra coolant passage that the t2 ones do, which makes them more friendly for use in an FD. I told him that my FD engine ran great and in fact was making 8.4-9.0 compression on a mazda digital tester, which is excellent, even for a NEW housing engine...much less used housings.

And he definitely knew these housings were USED. He said he would need them sent out asap if he did buy them, and I told him that was fine, but they wouldn't be clean if I had to send them out now. HE said he had to confer with his builder, and would call me back.

Later he did call back and asked to buy the FC housings I had (note the true usage of FC, NOT t2). The reason I note that he did not say T2, but rather FC, is because when he called back we actually had confusion over whether or not he wanted the FD housing I had, or 2 FC ones. He never once more said anything about a t2 housing, ever since I told him the ones I had were not as good as he wanted. HE KNEW they were

USED
NOT CLEAN
FC NA
MODDED EXHAUST PORT
EXCELLENT COMPRESSION SURFACE WITH NO CHROME FLAKING OR WEAR AT ALL



I CHALLENGE SPEC TO WIPE THE COMPRESSION SURFACE OFF WITH A DAMP TOWEL, PUT THEM TOGETHER SIDE TO SIDE, AND TAKE CLEAR, WELL LIT PICTURES OF THE ENTIRE COMPRESSION SURFACE.

It will then become very clear that these are excellent condition housings which will build an engine making 120+ psi depending on other specs and factors.

In the meantime, I will work on some pics for you guys to examine, showing differences in wear and specs of different housings to prove my point. You see, I'm not just on here to stir up **** and make various claims and opinions based upon my mood or some crappy pictures, I CAN ACTUALLY PROVE AND BACK UP EVERYTHING I SAY WITH FACT.

For you fools on here talking about how bad you think my service is, and how shitty these housings are (how can you decide, based upon an outside picture with poor lighting?) let me remind you that I can produce tens, hundreds, hell probably THOUSANDS of positive or extremely positive references on this forum alone from members I've dealt with, be it an engine build, sales of engine parts, used misc. parts, etc. Go ahead, search, read, ask around, make an INFORMED and LOGICAL decision before flapping your dicksucker on the internet. Any false claims made are grounds for legal action. Show me these supposed "unhappy customers"...I'll be waiting right here. Somehow, in the back of my mind, I dont think they exist.

 

Rotary,

your absolutely right that there are two sides to every story but as a vender you should know that the customer is always right. If he doesn't feel that he got what he was expecting then he deserves a refund. Why is that such a hard problem. He even stated he would take less in the exchange (I assume to cover shipping).

Misunderstandings always happen but as a retailer I would assume that customer service would be utmost.

Regardless of if the condition is perfect or not, if the buyer doesn't feel they are in good condition or infact he gets a second profession opinion of the quality of the housings he should have the opportunity to return them.

 

Alright, here we go.

First, a pic of 2 NA FC housings in the SAME CONDITION that I sent to spec. Note that there is basically ZERO flaking or wear on the compression surface. Now, I don't have the housings that I sent to spec, obviously. So I cannot prove or show how good they are. It is up to him to take some QUALITY pictures just like I have here. I guess for now you will have to take my word that these represent the condition that spec has.

Pics from 3 angles:







Now, a pic of that SAME FD HOUSING that I told him I had, rated at a 7-8. Note the chrome beginning to flake on one side. This one had about 50k miles. THIS IS NORMAL FOR USED HOUSINGS, which means that the used housings I sent spec are in GREAT CONDITION.

 

COMPARISON PICS OF THE FD AND FC housings to show wear differences, FD on the left:









The reason Im posting these is to let you know that it is possible to have FC housings cleaner and better than good FD housings. And that there are only a couple of minor physical differences. IT seems that the FD crowd thinks their cars are superior to the older ones in every aspect, including engine internals. Sorry to burst your bubble folks, but theyre basically teh same. These pics are here to get you all over the "ewww" factor associated with older cars/engines/parts.

 

Now, for the exhaust debate. I DEFINITELY EXPLAINED to spec over the phone the difference in NA and FD exhaust sleeves. I told him that the NAs have a diffuser which is basically 2 L shapes, and that I cut them out with a torch for better flow. I explained that this isn't a smooth cut, but the change in flow is so little that on a street motor would not make any difference in power. I run this setup in my OWN engine. I also told him that if it were a problem, the rough cut in the sleeve, that the original FD sleeves could be swapped out.

Comparo pic:





NA AFTER THE CUT IS MADE:



For those of you who dont know, the round "sleeve" is totally seperate from the aluminum housing, and heating the SLEEVE could NOT hurt the HOUSING. Why do you think the sleeve is there to begin with? TO better withstand heat from the exhaust, and insulate some of it from the housing. The sleeve is held in place with 2 pins that allow it to be removed and another one repinned.

 

If the housings were modified at the request of the buyer, and the housings are in fact, usable and in the condition the seller suggests, there is no reason the seller should have to refund the money to the buyer. To do so would put the seller at a disadvantage in that he would have to find a new buyer for modified housings (much more difficult than to find a buyer for the unmodified NA housings).

 

FINALLY, here is a pic of a housing with average 75-100k mile wear. Note quite a bit of chrome flaking on the side, as well as odd looking grooves and paths worn out over time in the entire surface of the housing.






Here is a comparo pic of the rest of the externals between an FD and FC-NA housing. They're identical. Yes, they are all DIRTY. They are USED HOUSINGS that came from RUNNING ENGINES. Engine bays get DIRTY. I do not generally clean parts that are sold out the door, because I figure whoever is building the engine can do that on their own time, to their own specifications, since everyone has DIFFERENT OPINIONS.

 

I see numerous posts above from users Im unfamiliar with, claiming that these are junk, shitty, useless, etc. I would venture to say that most, if not all of these people have never seen engines apart and compared different levels of wear versus new parts to know what good or bad is. They see a dimly lit pic with a bit of oil and carbon and they say "my god, that is shitty". People, carbon and oil come off in the cleaning process, it happens EVERY DAY. What, you think MAZDA puts ALL NEW PARTS into their remans? Not usually. IF they did, they WOULDNT NEED YOUR CORE, would they? Bottom line, most of you are just flapping your jaws out of boredom and don't know what you're talking about.

I can take video of me starting my car's engine, letting it warm up, pulling the plugs, attatching the mazda compression tester, and pushing 125-130psi out of it. And it was built with housings IDENTICAL to the ones spec has. Who here can say the same? I'll be waiting...

 

It just looks like the parts are DIRTY to me and based ont eh threads, you knew what you were buying (modded NA pieces). Toss them in the parts cleaner, paint the outside and bam, you're done. You don't get the cleaned and painted product when you buy used. The surface is perfectly fine for use and THAT is what matters.

Also, this guy isn't buying from Wal-mart. This is a one man operation and the discount in engine price is based on good useable housings and the fact thathe does it ALL himself. You can't have the benefit of a one man business AND a massive corporation all at once.

 

good job backing your **** up

 

Don't you think that puts me to a lot of time and trouble all for nothing? Do you like your time to be wasted? I certainly do not. That is exactly what this would be. IF spec can/will PROVE that the housings are OTHER THAN WHAT HE AGREED THAT HE WANTED then I would consider some other action. As it is, I KNOW that there is nothing wrong with the housings to warrant a refund in full or part. I don't mind servicing the customer, but these were USED PARTS SOLD OUT THE DOOR WITH NO WARRANTY other than what I stated them to be...which they are. IF he could say, "Hey, look here, is a groove, or a chunk of chrome gone, this makes it unuseable in an engine build" then it'd be different. He's bitching over COSMETICS, which do NOT MATTER TO HOW THE ENGINE RUNS.

 

I was told i was getting t2 housings, i understand the inside has no flaking and that is good. That does not cover for the fact that you sold me something other than what i was told. I wanted 3rd gen housings at first and said i will accept t2 housings. Regardless t2 housings used arent usually worth 400 bucks and not to mention how dirty they are and the hackjob on the exhaust sleeve. I paid for t2 housings and told you thats what i wanted, and i dont care what the hell you run in your car. It has no affect on the fact that i said t2 housings and you sent me modified dirty na housings. On top of everything you dont know how to run a business at all, from a business mans view the customer is supposed to be right all the time and you go along with things like they are and listen to what they say. You do not write them a nasty email saying they are an ******* and that people like them are going to be told to **** off next time they ask you for parts. You clearly have no idea what the hell you are doing with your little operation you are running and it will soon fail due to your negligence

 

Spec,
You don't have a clue what it means to be screwed. Check with others to see if these housings are usable for your purpose. If they are, and the condition is as RR says, you got a deal, get on with it.

 

RotaryResurrection,

I guess here is the real question:

Had spec99 seen pictures of what you were going to send, would he have bought them at the same price?


If the answer is yes, then I don't think this thread would exist. If the answer is no, then there was definitely a lack of communication for this sale (as far as exactly what was going to be supplied).

Simple way to fix it; have him send you the housings back and you refund his money. No harm, no foul and the situation is over and done.

 

You're an OUTRIGHT LIAR.

You knew they were FORKING NA housings,


we spent half an hour on the phone talking about the differences! IF you deny this, you are outright a liar. What did we talk for so long on the phone about, if not this?

I TOLD YOU AS SOON AS YOU ASKED ABOUT t2 HOUSINGS THAT I DID NOT HAVE ANY GOOD ENOUGH FOR YOU but that I could modify NA housings to work for your application, then we went into the differences.

 

classy guy!
100% professional! Right or wrong RR you look like an ***!!

And from what I read VOSKO actually was in person seeing these wonders. Does he count or is he too unknowledgable?

 

The hell they aren't. ONes in that condition would be worth MORE than 400 bucks a PAIR, since ONE sells for $600+ right now new. Those are in LIKE NEW CONDITION.

Here we go again with the "my fd is a farking ferarri and every part on it is worth it's weight in gold". Bottom line, there are VERY FEW DIFFERENCES in these housings, as PROVEN above. Theyre ALL MADE FROM THE SAME CASTING.

Your idiocy and inability to use common sense frustrates me here. I don't see how it's a foreign concept that a USED ENGINE HOUSING would be dirty before it was cleaned during the rebuild process. Since I am not doing the rebuild, I do not see how it would fall to me to do the cleaning. YOU WERE TOLD THEY WOULDNT HAVE TIME TO BE CLEANED.

That's funny, it's been doing well for about 6 or 7 years now, over 3 of which as my SOLE OCCUPATION. Like I said, show me some of these "dissatisfied customers" you spoke of earlier...they're not out there. Now, let me go find some satisfied ones for you. By the time half of them post here, this thread will be at 40 pages. It happens once every few months. Some fool gets in a bad mood and decides to take it out on me and my business. I have to come in here and defend myself, and by the time it's all over, almost everyone who posts is laughing them off the forum because their claims are proven to be total bullshit.

 

Mahjik to answer your question .. i didnt see any pics of housings from him before i bought them. I figured he was a reputable source and that i could trust him, obviously i was wrong. He sits here conducting himself like a 5 yr old and swearing at a customer and calling them a liar, you just dont do that in the business world. But this is going to just turn into he said this and that and noone will know what ever was discussed about the t2 housings on the phone. Regardless of all this i was just asking for some money back because these na housings are not worth 400 dollars and you know it. I asked for t2 and you sent na. I have them modified with different sleeves and cleaned up now and now they maybe worth 300 but not 400. You were wrong to screw a customer and send a different product than described. Maybe you told someone else about your ghetto rigged housings but not me, because i would have laughed at you and gone somewhere else. NA housings arent hard to find, and i certainly wouldnt pay 400 bucks for them. I never saw any pictures or was told of your modifying them so all i would expect is a partial refund.

 

Those housings are fine, just take a grinder and grind the exhaust part down a little if it bothers you. Who cares that they are dirty, thats part of the clean up process. He sold them to you too cheap anyway, in the condition they are in he could have got $275+ shipping with ease and thats WITH the full diffuser still in place. At least he cut the majority of it out so all you have to do is clean up work.

Dont sweet the dirtyness....thats what your paying your engine builder for. Half of the engine builders labor is just cleaning the damn parts....since you paying for it anyway let him do his job.

Stephen

 

The Point Is I Didnt Buy Na Housings, I Paid For Turbo Housings! You Do Not Send A Different Product With Out Informing The Customer!

 

spec99,

Yes. I know you didn't see any pictures. My point was that if you had seen pictures of the housing, you probably wouldn't not have bought them at the price you did.

I don't want to turn this into a pissing match, so you two please take it to PM's to resolve the problem. Just post back when it's done as to the result so everyone on the forum can have "closure".

IMO, there can be one of two outcomes:

1. Keep the housing, clean them up and move on
2. You send the housing back to RotaryResurrection and he provides a full refund (as if the transaction never occurred)

Now, that depends on you two to work it out.

 

HE did not ask to see pictures, I would GLADLY have sent them. Ask anyone, I ALWAYS supply pics when requested. He was clearly not knowledgeable about any aspect of engine building by just talking to him...it was hard to explain something and then be asked that exact question imediately afterwards.

Bottom line, I have PROVEN to those knowledgeable in engine parts that what I sent him was as described and in excellent condition, and will work 100% for his application. The only debate is the fact that his opinion, as someone not knowledgeable in engine parts, is that he doesnt think they're as good as what he wanted. But how would he know, upon what does he base his judgement?

I dont think I should be penalized and have my time wasted because of his lack of knowledge or comprehension of what I spent a LONG TIME on the phone telling him.

Right...odds are they'd get damaged in shipping and then I'd really be screwed. Besides, it's not like I have thousands of dollars sitting in paypal. This is not some big corporation, I actually LIVE OFF OF whatever profit the business generates...that money is already spent. IF it were lying around in there, it might be different. Actually, no, it wouldn't...because this is all bullshit.

 

And I want to see if any of the **** talkers on page 1 have the ***** to post a retraction.

 

They are really worth about the same amout of money as T2 or FD housings and if those surfaces are in the same shape as those pics he posted up then you should keep them and just be happy you found some for that price in that good of condition.

And just for the record I'm not supporting RR, I'm really just telling you that you got a deal on those housings if cleaned they are really in that condition and I wouldnt worry about it.